Sad Day For Hugo :-(

[Gunny]

No, see above. You guys have always been wrong about Chavez. his reaction to this latest poll proves that...

His reaction to this vote means he knows how to play the game. Nothing more nor less. He knows the entire world is watching, and whatever else he might be, he's no fool.

 

[Gunny]

Exactly...and since then??

Since then what? You stated he hasn't seized power. I merely pointed out that it was not from a lack of trying, and he has shown by his own actions that he obviously is not above attemtping to do it.

 

[Dr Grump]

Since then what? You stated he hasn't seized power. I merely pointed out that it was not from a lack of trying, and he has shown by his own actions that he obviously is not above attemtping to do it.

Florida 2000.......

 

[Annie]

Florida 2000.......

Nice segue.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What I love is this comical "Chavez is for the people" bought hook line and sinker by people like Grump.

Now if Bush proposed similar changes to OUR Constitution and laws, Grump would be the first to be howling what a fascist he was and a wanna be dictator. If Bush nationalized Businesses and stole private property to "redistrubute" for the people, Grump would not only NOT be telling us what a great man of the people he was, but what a criminal he was.

 

[Gunny]

Umm......put forward his manifesto and let the public decide? Let me ask you this....Name one - just one - dictatorship that has ever lost an election...

The overconfident ones that don't consider the fact that they can lose and don't go through the motions of "ensuring" victory as Putin did.

But hey, it's all speculation until 2012.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Florida 2000.......

What does an election result verified so many times as to have worn out the punch cards got to do with Chavez? A punch card designed, ordered to be used and purchased by DEMOCRATS that had been used in EVERY election before 2000?

Go ahead tell us again how Bush stole an election. It didn't fly then and it does not fly now. It is just one of a host of lies the left tells about this President. All with ZERO proof. But hey if you say it enough some dumbshit may believe you.

 

[Dr Grump]

What I love is this comical "Chavez is for the people" bought hook line and sinker by people like Grump.

Now if Bush proposed similar changes to OUR Constitution and laws, Grump would be the first to be howling what a fascist he was and a wanna be dictator. If Bush nationalized Businesses and stole private property to "redistrubute" for the people, Grump would not only NOT be telling us what a great man of the people he was, but what a criminal he was.

Hook, line and sinker. No, not at all. I think he's a politician, so first and foremost he is suspect. If Bush proposed those changes, and it passed, then "for the people, by the people" comes into play, no?

Have you ever stopped to wonder how those "businesses" and "private property" came into being in the first place. Do you think Latin American countries' rich have come about their wealth in the same way Americans have? Canadians have? NZers have? You thinl they have NEVER exploited the underclasses? you know, paid them a pittance while making millions of dollars? Bad, bad Chavez! How dare he want the common folk to make a decent buck for a decent days' work! Hang 'im high...

 

[Dr Grump]

The overconfident ones that don't consider the fact that they can lose and don't go through the motions of "ensuring" victory as Putin did.

But hey, it's all speculation until 2012.

Cool. So, as I said, name them....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Hook, line and sinker. No, not at all. I think he's a politician, so first and foremost he is suspect. If Bush proposed those changes, and it passed, then "for the people, by the people" comes into play, no?

Have you ever stopped to wonder how those "businesses" and "private property" came into being in the first place. Do you think Latin American countries' rich have come about their wealth in the same way Americans have? Canadians have? NZers have? You thinl they have NEVER exploited the underclasses? you know, paid them a pittance while making millions of dollars? Bad, bad Chavez! How dare he want the common folk to make a decent buck for a decent days' work! Hang 'im high...

LOL, you THINK we ( all western nations) did not do similar things, I suggest your woefully under educated in History.

Check out the Tea business in Britain, the Railroad and Coal Business in the US and other businesses in your country and around the world.

 

[Dr Grump]

What does an election result verified so many times as to have worn out the punch cards got to do with Chavez? A punch card designed, ordered to be used and purchased by DEMOCRATS that had been used in EVERY election before 2000?

Go ahead tell us again how Bush stole an election. It didn't fly then and it does not fly now. It is just one of a host of lies the left tells about this President. All with ZERO proof. But hey if you say it enough some dumbshit may believe you.

What is the lie? So if things were all fine and dandy why did Katherine "i'm in Bush's pocket" get involved? If things were so fine and dandy, why didn't the just re poll the state?

I see Bush as no different from Chavez, other than the fact that Chavez isn't trying to pull the wool over any body's eyes.

I was hoping and praying somebody would start a thread like this on Chavez. It must really chap your thighs that a "dictator" like Chavez would hold a referendum, lose it, and then say he'll abide by the result. Hell, he didn't even lose by much, so under normal circumstance he could bitch and cry and ask for a recount. Did he? No. My, what a nasty guy he must be, looking out for the little guy. One thing you neocons will never understand is a feeling of fairness that the rest of the first world feels. It is no accidnet that it is ALWAYS you guys that are out of step with your contemporaries. Your arrogance thinks it's because we are in the wrong....maybe, just maybe, your system aint as good as you think it is...and maybe, just maybe, ours is...

 

[Gunny]

Cool. So, as I said, name them....

Off the top of my head, I couldn't say. WIll have to look. But you KNOW there's going to be at least one out there, right?

 

[Dr Grump]

LOL, you THINK we ( all western nations) did not do similar things, I suggest your woefully under educated in History.

Check out the Tea business in Britain, the Railroad and Coal Business in the US and other businesses in your country and around the world.

No, no, no, you make the classic mistake of comparing Venezuala to first work countries - it is not. We now have checks and balances in place. Venezuela does not (well not with the same ompf ours does), and yet despite that, he is STILL gonna abide by the result...

 

[Dr Grump]

Off the top of my head, I couldn't say. WIll have to look. But you KNOW there's going to be at least one out there, right?

Actually, I will add a caveat if I may:

Lost an election and let the result stand.....:O)

I could be proven wrong re Chavez. I hope not because I have followed his career closely, and I have always thought he was a stand up guy with regard to that kind of thing...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What is the lie? So if things were all fine and dandy why did Katherine "i'm in Bush's pocket" get involved? If things were so fine and dandy, why didn't the just re poll the state?

I see Bush as no different from Chavez, other than the fact that Chavez isn't trying to pull the wool over any body's eyes.

I was hoping and praying somebody would start a thread like this on Chavez. It must really chap your thighs that a "dictator" like Chavez would hold a referendum, lose it, and then say he'll abide by the result. Hell, he didn't even lose by much, so under normal circumstance he could bitch and cry and ask for a recount. Did he? No. My, what a nasty guy he must be, looking out for the little guy. One thing you neocons will never understand is a feeling of fairness that the rest of the first world feels. It is no accidnet that it is ALWAYS you guys that are out of step with your contemporaries. Your arrogance thinks it's because we are in the wrong....maybe, just maybe, your system aint as good as you think it is...and maybe, just maybe, ours is...

Your ignorance is appalling. Gore got his required recount. He in fact got 2 recounts and part of a third. The State has a LAW. Passed by its legislature, that LAW required exactly the actions taken BY the State and its elected officials. But I forgot, laws do not apply to liberals do they?

Further Gore was the one that tried to cheat the system and forced a move to the Supreme Court. Thanks to 7 Democrats in the Florida Supreme Court ( or rather 4 of 7) that voted politics not law. Remind me again how a 7-2 decision in the Supreme Court is biased while a 4-3 vote in the Florida Court was right on.

And again the Supreme Court had to act because the FEDERAL LAW would have nullified Florida's Electors if the Florida Court decision had been carried out. This would have disenfranchised the ENTIRE State of Florida in a National election.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, no, no, you make the classic mistake of comparing Venezuala to first work countries - it is not. We now have checks and balances in place. Venezuela does not (well not with the same ompf ours does), and yet despite that, he is STILL gonna abide by the result...

Which has NOTHING to do with your claim that the wealth was gotten in a bad way.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Gotta go, doctor appointment every Monday morning.

 

[Dr Grump]

Which has NOTHING to do with your claim that the wealth was gotten in a bad way.

Do me some analysis. Some IN DEPTH analysis if you can. Go away and do some research and tell me how Venezuelas rich became rich. Then check out the ethnicity of those who became rich. Then tell me the ethnicity of those who held power for so long before Chavez came along. You neocons never bitched and moaned about those in power in Venezuela when they were the minority Spanish descendants that were in charge. That was all fine and dandy. Soon as a populist, who represents in many more ways the vast majority of Venezuelans - oh, we gotta demonise him! Make him a socialist! How dare he want a country, where 1% of the population are fithly rich and 99% are dirt poor, evened out a bit more! Because, you know, that'll affect the oil prices in the little Ole U S of A! We might have to pay - oh, $2.30 a gallon for oil. We'll forget the average Venezuelan has to survive on $2.30 for a few days! And you know what? Closed minded people like you fail to realise (or do realise, but don't give a shit), is that it is in Venezuela's best interests for the economic gap to close.

 

[Dr Grump]

Gotta go, doctor appointment every Monday morning.

Save your money. Verbal diahorrea is incurable...

 

[Annie]

What is the lie? So if things were all fine and dandy why did Katherine "i'm in Bush's pocket" get involved? If things were so fine and dandy, why didn't the just re poll the state?

I see Bush as no different from Chavez, other than the fact that Chavez isn't trying to pull the wool over any body's eyes.

I was hoping and praying somebody would start a thread like this on Chavez. It must really chap your thighs that a "dictator" like Chavez would hold a referendum, lose it, and then say he'll abide by the result. Hell, he didn't even lose by much, so under normal circumstance he could bitch and cry and ask for a recount. Did he? No. My, what a nasty guy he must be, looking out for the little guy. One thing you neocons will never understand is a feeling of fairness that the rest of the first world feels. It is no accidnet that it is ALWAYS you guys that are out of step with your contemporaries. Your arrogance thinks it's because we are in the wrong....maybe, just maybe, your system aint as good as you think it is...and maybe, just maybe, ours is...

Let's see. I mentioned Stalin, then again there was Hitler, that came quite close to what Chavez just tried. I doubt you'll find someone on the 'right' that has been more critical of Bush and his policies or execution of the war than myself, for as long as I've been. (Predates 2004 election). You just feel compelled to be nasty to the messenger, but that's just you.