Ruling puts prayers under renewed scrutiny

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by 5stringJeff, Jul 31, 2004.

  1. 5stringJeff
    Offline

    5stringJeff Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2003
    Messages:
    9,990
    Thanks Received:
    536
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Puyallup, WA
    Ratings:
    +540
    Even in the Bible belt, the militant separationists want to get rid of all public acknowledgment of religion.

    -------------------
    Ruling puts prayers under renewed scrutiny

    By CLAUDIA ASSIS, The Virginian-Pilot
    © July 30, 2004

    CHESAPEAKE *— The business of the people began Tuesday with heads respectfully bowed, a few eyes closed, and the Rev. Michael Wetherington’s deep voice as he offered a prayer that seemed to slowly lull some to an inner world.

    In a heavily Christian city, the Baptist minister ended his plea for God’s guidance and blessings to the City Council the way he knew best.

    “We ask you in Jesus’s name. Amen.”

    Such lines spoken at the beginning of government meetings may come under closer scrutiny and spark some controversy after a recent federal court ruling.

    http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=73723&ran=38823
     
  2. musicman
    Offline

    musicman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2004
    Messages:
    5,171
    Thanks Received:
    533
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Ohio
    Ratings:
    +533
    Through the legal process, a minority of one can render the wishes of an entire community meaningless. The common enemy is, as always, Christianity, and all the usual suspects are in their designated places: the ACLU at the vanguard, "protecting our freedoms"; the federal judiciary, bringin' out the big hammer; the lone litigant - some otherwise uninvolved, disinterested party who happens to have an axe to grind with either Christianity, the community, or both; and, finally, the community itself, helpless - in a constitutional republic - to excercise any control over their own affairs.

    This has got to stop. How are we going to get the federal government - specifically the judiciary - back onto it's side of the fence, and out of the kinds of decisions our founding fathers were careful to leave to the people?
     
  3. Avatar4321
    Offline

    Avatar4321 Diamond Member Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    70,542
    Thanks Received:
    8,161
    Trophy Points:
    2,070
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Ratings:
    +12,157
    Im getting sick and tired of these people getting offended when someone practices their belief in public. grow up people.
     
  4. deaddude
    Offline

    deaddude Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2004
    Messages:
    1,403
    Thanks Received:
    77
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +77
    Oh yes their only prohibiting Christian prayers.

    Now if prayer were allowed in school and little Christian Cathy said the Lord’s Prayer, and two seats in front of her Satanist Suzie said the reyarp sdrol would they cancel each other out?
     
  5. freeandfun1
    Offline

    freeandfun1 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2004
    Messages:
    6,201
    Thanks Received:
    295
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +296

    ?

     
  6. musicman
    Offline

    musicman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2004
    Messages:
    5,171
    Thanks Received:
    533
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Ohio
    Ratings:
    +533


    My sentiments exactly. Deaddude, if you have anything intelligent (or intelligible, for that matter) to contribute to the conversation, I'd be happy to discuss it with you. This is important stuff.

    Oh, and thanks for completely missing my point. If little Satanist Susie wanted to slaughter a goat before class started, it's quite simply none of the federal government's business, one way or the other. Our founding fathers - determined to thwart tyranny in all it's manifestations - were careful to leave these kinds of decisions where they belonged - with the people. The genius of our system of government is being circumvented by those who would gangster their worldview onto a whipped and frightened populace. My unabashed dictionary defines this as "tyranny".
     
  7. deaddude
    Offline

    deaddude Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2004
    Messages:
    1,403
    Thanks Received:
    77
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +77
    If all religions are accepted and it doesn’t distract from school/public affair, fine.

    Kids screaming at science teachers that biology is the devil and groups of proselytizing kids passing out Jesus fliers and telling my kid he’s going to hell, no thanks. (Oh wait stuff like this is happens all the time)

    Christianity is the dominant Religion in this country their are plenty of institutions where you can practice whatever denomination of christianity you adhere to.

    Grant it in this case (the reverends speach in Chesepeak) it seems wrather idiot to make such a big deal over it onee dudes prayer.
     
  8. musicman
    Offline

    musicman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2004
    Messages:
    5,171
    Thanks Received:
    533
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Ohio
    Ratings:
    +533
    "If all religions are accepted and it doesn't distact from school/public affair, fine".



    Fine, according to whom? Within whose parameters must it fall? You're still missing my point. You seek to impose some overall, one-size-fits-all federal guideline - the implementation of some artificial, arbitrary notion of "fairness" and "equal time" onto a matter that our founding fathers clearly considered the province of the people.

    Remember - any power not specifically given to the federal government AUTOMATICALLY devolves to the states, or to the people. The ultimate goal of the Constitution is the empowerment of the individual. And, communities are made up of many individuals, who have the right to make these kinds of decisions for themselves. What kind of freedom is served when a minority of one can use the legal system to render irrelevant the wishes of an entire community? I'll tell you what kind:

    The freedom to impose tyranny.
     
  9. freeandfun1
    Offline

    freeandfun1 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2004
    Messages:
    6,201
    Thanks Received:
    295
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +296
    Really? Where?
     
  10. deaddude
    Offline

    deaddude Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2004
    Messages:
    1,403
    Thanks Received:
    77
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +77
    At my little brothesrs school for one
     

Share This Page