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Our founding fathers designed this Republic to be run on the Rule of Law, not the Rule of Man. In fact the founding fathers detested the label Democrat, and the whole idea of Democracy. Simply going by whatever a majority of the voters wanted was a bad idea in their eyes. Think about two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. THAT is the Rule of Man.
Our country is and should be a country based on the Rule of Law. This brings me to Proposition 8.
The people voted essentially to ban Gay Marriage (Rule of Man), the judge, in a rare moment of sanity from this guy, shot it down because of the Rule of Law.
I hear this kind of thing from both the left and the right. "The people want this, and the people want that!" That isn't how this country was founded
I have a whole lot of issues with the whole Gay Marriage debate, and probably that's for another thread, and I don't like the way each side is acting on this issue, but I ALWAYS revert to the founding fathers on issues and even if I don't like the result, their logic is sopund and has worked for almost 250 years.
The founders did NOT hate democracy
The founders dont live any more.
The founders also left us a system in which we could make our government our own and its called the amendment system.
They WANTED us to be able to grow our country with our needs.
Why do you hate that part of the system the FOUNDERS designed for us?
The Founding Fathers created the government that lead to the greatest country that ever existed. It's funny how you idiotic lefties love it or hate it depending on how it suits your partisan looney policies.
Can you argue with what she said? They did design a system that would change with the changing needs of society. They were slave owners that put in place a system that could overturn slavery and other forms of discrimination. That's wicked smawt.
The Founding Fathers created the government that lead to the greatest country that ever existed. It's funny how you idiotic lefties love it or hate it depending on how it suits your partisan looney policies.
In my mind as you've framed the discussion, the Rule of Law is kind of like Free Speech.
The results/action may not be very popular with everyone, but if you don't believe in the fundamental concept should be applied to those you disagree with - beware - the protections might not be there when you need them.
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You are wrong. They despised it. To be called a democrat (Not to be confused with the democrat Party, which didn't exist then) was an insult. The whole Idea that a majority could vote away the rights and liberties of a minority was appalling to them. They would have been appalled at Prop 8. Educate yourself.
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My humble guess is that many more people would be open to the marginal tax rates of the 90's if our elected "leaders" (boy, I don't like that word in this context) could prove to us that the federal bureaucracy could spend our tax dollars "wisely" (ditto) and with far less of the waste, bloat, sloth and blatant corruption that currently pollutes our political environment.
Just sayin'.
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My humble guess is that many more people would be open to the marginal tax rates of the 90's if our elected "leaders" (boy, I don't like that word in this context) could prove to us that the federal bureaucracy could spend our tax dollars "wisely" (ditto) and with far less of the waste, bloat, sloth and blatant corruption that currently pollutes our political environment.
Just sayin'.
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Our founding fathers designed this Republic to be run on the Rule of Law, not the Rule of Man. In fact the founding fathers detested the label Democrat, and the whole idea of Democracy. Simply going by whatever a majority of the voters wanted was a bad idea in their eyes. Think about two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. THAT is the Rule of Man.
Our country is and should be a country based on the Rule of Law. This brings me to Proposition 8.
The people voted essentially to ban Gay Marriage (Rule of Man), the judge, in a rare moment of sanity from this guy, shot it down because of the Rule of Law.
I hear this kind of thing from both the left and the right. "The people want this, and the people want that!" That isn't how this country was founded
I have a whole lot of issues with the whole Gay Marriage debate, and probably that's for another thread, and I don't like the way each side is acting on this issue, but I ALWAYS revert to the founding fathers on issues and even if I don't like the result, their logic is sopund and has worked for almost 250 years.
The founders did NOT hate democracy
You are wrong. They despised it. To be called a democrat (Not to be confused with the democrat Party, which didn't exist then) was an insult. The whole Idea that a majority could vote away the rights and liberties of a minority was appalling to them. They would have been appalled at Prop 8. Educate yourself.
You are wrong. They despised it. To be called a democrat (Not to be confused with the democrat Party, which didn't exist then) was an insult. The whole Idea that a majority could vote away the rights and liberties of a minority was appalling to them. They would have been appalled at Prop 8. Educate yourself.
I've felt that the fact there is was no ability for the people to vote on laws anywhere in the Constitution to be telling on that point. Even amendments to the Constitution were not subject to a direct vote.
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My humble guess is that many more people would be open to the marginal tax rates of the 90's if our elected "leaders" (boy, I don't like that word in this context) could prove to us that the federal bureaucracy could spend our tax dollars "wisely" (ditto) and with far less of the waste, bloat, sloth and blatant corruption that currently pollutes our political environment.
Just sayin'.
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Was this too complicated?
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The founders did NOT hate democracy
You are wrong. They despised it. To be called a democrat (Not to be confused with the democrat Party, which didn't exist then) was an insult. The whole Idea that a majority could vote away the rights and liberties of a minority was appalling to them. They would have been appalled at Prop 8. Educate yourself.
Prove they hated Democracy.
You are uninformed.
They talked about disliking DIRECT democracy.
Hell they GAVE us a democracy.
You cant swallow partisan LIES and pretend they are truths without looking like a fool
No, it just seemed completely irrelevant. Did you post in the wrong thread?
Was this too complicated?
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No, it just seemed completely irrelevant. Did you post in the wrong thread?
Holy crap, looks like I did. My apologies. How did I do that?
I'm gonna blame the microbrew from last night, yeah, that's it.
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What the right has done is to take the debate about DIRECT or PURE Democracy and pretend the founders were talking about Just the idea of Democracy its self and with that PRETEND the founders hated the very system they chose which was Democracy.
I jsut showed you Jeffersons UNDENIABLE quote which is in writing and an historical document which PROVES he considered this country a form of Democracy.
You will just lie about it again Im sure.
