Royal Society: Research confirms its gonna be gettng ALOT colder!!!

Im laughing.
How many times have ENVIRONMENT forum members who are also part of the religion roll out the Royal Society to back their hoax? I'll tell you how many times.........about 4 billion.
Turns out, a top Royal Society professor claimed at their annual meeting that in a few years, there is a very good chance of the earth getting colder..........in fact, possibly a lot colder!!!
Cold sun rising - The Nation
That is just more fraudulent denier cult propaganda, with very little real basis in reality. Neither the 'professor' nor the paper presented to The Royal Society ever claimed that the world would get colder. The projected cooling from an extended solar minimum is far less than the global warming from the increased CO2 levels.

No, the sun isn't going to save us from global warming
A solar minimum would offset no more than a decade’s worth of human-caused global warming

The Guardian
Dana Nuccitelli
16 July 2015
(excerpts)

Even the grandest solar minimum would have a minor impact on global temperatures compared to the rapid warming stemming from human carbon pollution. Photograph: Solar Dynamics Observatory/Nasa

A number of scientific studies have asked the question, ‘if the sun were to enter another extended quiet phase (a grand solar minimum), how would that impact global surface temperatures?’. Every study agrees, it would cause no more than 0.3°C cooling, which would only be enough to temporarily offset about a decade’s worth of human-caused global warming.


The global mean temperature difference is shown for the time period 1900 to 2100 for the IPCC A2 emissions scenario. The red line shows predicted temperature change for the current level of solar activity, the blue line shows predicted temperature change for solar activity at the much lower level of the Maunder Minimum, and the black line shows observed temperatures through 2010. Adapted from Feulner & Rahmstorf (2010) by SkepticalScience.com

This ‘impending mini ice age’ myth is incredibly easy to debunk. In fact it just takes asking one simple question – if the sun is such a key driver of the Earth’s climate, then why has the entire planet (air, oceans, land, and ice) warmed rapidly over the past 60 years while solar activity has declined?

Annual global surface temperature change (thin light red) with 11 year moving average of temperature (thick dark red). Temperature from NASA GISS. Annual Total Solar Irradiance (thin light blue) with 11 year moving average of TSI (thick dark blue). Source: Skeptical Science

That simple question is sufficient on its own to debunk the notion that the sun is the main driver of global temperatures. Research has clearly shown, it’s carbon dioxide that’s the temperature’s main control knob.

Second, research has suggested that the solar minimum around the year 1650 played a relatively small role in the cool temperatures during the Little Ice Age. Instead, heightened volcanic activity (pumping ash into the atmosphere that blocks sunlight) and a drop in atmospheric carbon levels were the main contributors to the cooling during that time.


Third, the Little Ice Age wasn’t even that cold, globally. The following chart shows the most comprehensive global surface temperature reconstruction to date, from the PAGES 2k Consortium. In just the past few decades the planet has warmed more than it cooled during the entire Little Ice Age.

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Green dots show the 30-year average of the new PAGES 2k reconstruction. The red curve shows the global mean surface temperature, according HadCRUT4 data from 1850 onwards. In blue is the original hockey stick of Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1999) with its uncertainty range (light blue). Graph by Klaus Bitterman. 400 years of sunspot observations are inlaid, created by Robert Rohde.

There was significant regional cooling during the mini ice age, particularly in parts of Europe and North America, but globally it was indeed quite little.

Fourth, a grand solar minimum would be a temporary phase. Any cooling it caused would only last a few decades until the end of the event, at which point the increase in solar activity would contribute to global warming.

In summary, the difference between the Little Ice Age and current warming period comes down to volcanoes, carbon dioxide, and magnitude. The previous cool period was quite small, likely caused mostly by volcanic activity. And of course, humans weren’t pumping over 30 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year in the 17th century, as we are now.

The bottom line: even the grandest solar minimum would have a minor impact on global temperatures compared to the rapid warming stemming from human carbon pollution.
nobody cares about 1/2 a degree. Only the fringe OCD AGW k00ks get freaked by this. PS....I think your font needs to be a little bit bigger!!! And for those who are sorta new to the ENVIRONMENT forum, we have this forum member Rolling Thunder here. He drops into the forum every few months for a few weeks, posts up the same ghey links/photos/articles ( like the giant sun one above )..........and then disappears for months. We always know he's back from the tone of the posts........angry.............miserable.........and always, hysterical.

Your fraudulent moronic OP got completely debunked in post #10. Your demented denier cult myths and bogus propaganda get regularly debunked, especially if I'm around. You are an anti-science troll and you always post utter bullcrap and lies.
ahh the little climate denier got his feathers ruffled. Royal Society gave you a tummy ache, nice. Thanks for sharing your loser skills.
LOLOL.....the fraudulent OP got completely debunked but you are too brainwashed and insane to grasp that fact so you continue to make yourself look like an utter idiot....LOLOL...



s0n.....you gotta find a different link than that one with the photo of the sun!! How many times have y9ou posted that same link up in here? Like 200 times?:spinner:

s0n.....your every post mental meltdown........you label yourself as a religious k00k. Whats up with that???:uhh:.........anybody not part of the religion can see that from 100 million miles away!!! To the non-religious person, curious about finding out about this debate, every time you post, it looks like you saw a skeptic post and got a knobby cucumber fired up your pooper.


Have a little fun around here like we skeptics do.......we spend near every moment in here laughing our balls off. The optics are far better than making every post a hysterical nutty-ass rant. Just looks ghey.............:gay:
 
The real position of the Royal Society and affiliated organizations = sanity and acceptance of reality.

Climate change
Supporting the chemical science community to help tackle climate change

Royal Society of Chemistry
In December 2015, nations around the world will gather in Paris to develop a new international climate change agreement.

In the lead-up to this important conference, we will be supporting the chemical sciences community in discussing and contributing to our understanding of climate change (for example, through the Faraday Discussions series of conferences and publications) as well as its causes and impacts.

You can read more about causes and impacts of climate change in our special collection of research papers, review articles and themed collections. You can also read more about the role of atmospheric chemists in climate change research in Education in Chemistry.

We will also have scientific meetings and wider community engagement activities focused on the many ways in which chemistry will contribute to mitigating and adapting to climate change (for example, see our work on energy, food and water).

You can read more about how chemistry contributes to tackling global challenges in RSC News.

We have joined with the Institution of Chemical Engineers to reaffirm our own position on climate change. Read our joint statement below.


UK science communiqué on climate change
We are one of 24 of the UK’s Professional and Learned Societies that have endorsed a communiqué on climate change calling for government action. The organisations involved represent a diverse range of expertise from across the sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, medicine and engineering.

Together, we launched this statement in July 2015, which was covered in the Guardian and Telegraph newspapers.


Download the full communiqué text.
Our statement on climate change
The overwhelming weight of scientific evidence indicates that human activity is the predominant cause of recent climate change. It is clear that the increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions since the industrial revolution is the chief cause of observed global warming. Regional and year-on-year variations are expected within climate systems, but the evidence shows warming over the last half-century that cannot be explained by natural causes.

Carbon dioxide is already at levels much higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years, and continued emissions are expected to lead to significant further warming. Moreover, the speed of warming will be faster than during past natural climate change events, making adaptation more difficult. This change in climate is expected to bring changes in regional temperature and precipitation and to increase the frequency of heat waves, heavy rainfall, and some other types of extreme weather events. These will have a serious adverse effect on human wellbeing and the natural world.

The choices we make now will have far-reaching consequences. We need to develop mitigation and adaptation strategies to address the challenges that climate change poses. These strategies include developing and deploying low carbon technologies, improving energy efficiency, and changing behaviours to enable sustainable development.

The Royal Society of Chemistry and the Institution of Chemical Engineers are committed to supporting the chemical sciences community in their contributions to tackling climate change. The chemical sciences help us to understand, mitigate, and adapt to climate change. The best evidence based on the best science is essential to inform the right policy decisions on all three fronts. Already, chemists and chemical engineers contribute in a variety of ways, such as improving our understanding of atmospheric and ocean chemistry, investigating the consequences of climate change, developing new energy and carbon mitigation solutions, and helping crops to tolerate the changing conditions.

Royal Society of Chemistry
Dominic Tildesley CBE - President
Lesley Yellowlees CBE - Immediate Past President
David Phillips CBE - Past President

Institution of Chemical Engineers

Geoffrey Maitland - President
Judith Hackitt CBE - Immediate Past President
Russell Scott - Past President
 
Royal fAiL

Weve been hearing the same drum roll.............

"The choices we make now will have far-reaching consequences. We need to develop mitigation and adaptation strategies to address the challenges that climate change poses. These strategies include developing and deploying low carbon technologies, improving energy efficiency, and changing behaviours to enable sustainable development."

...........for almost 3 decades from the alarmist nutters. And what has changed? Ummm...............like nothing!!! Six years ago now, cap and Trade took a dump and nobody is talking about it. Fossil fuels continue to :rock:DOMINATE:rock: the landscape and every reputable projection ( including the Obama EIA ) says in 2050, renewable energy is still going to be a fucking joke!! ( I will happily post the projection graphs by request only ).:spinner::spinner::spinner:

On internet forums you might think that the current state of climate science has ushered in some kind of a mega-groundswell of interest in global warming amongst the public. But in the real world, people couldn't give a rats ass..........only the hyper-hysterical k00k AGW alarmists are screaming bloody blue murder and relatively speaking, that's only a handful of people compared to the overall population. Every single poll the last 6 or 7 years shows the same thing: in terms of the peoples concerns, "global warming" ranks at the very very bottom ( like 21st or of 22 concerns :biggrin::biggrin:)



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Royal fAiL

Weve been hearing the same drum roll.............

"The choices we make now will have far-reaching consequences. We need to develop mitigation and adaptation strategies to address the challenges that climate change poses. These strategies include developing and deploying low carbon technologies, improving energy efficiency, and changing behaviours to enable sustainable development."

...........for almost 3 decades from the alarmist nutters. And what has changed? Ummm...............like nothing!!! Six years ago now, cap and Trade took a dump and nobody is talking about it. Fossil fuels continue to DOMINATEthe landscape and every reputable projection ( including the Obama EIA ) says in 2050, renewable energy is still going to be a fucking joke!! ( I will happily post the projection graphs by request only )

On internet forums you might think that the current state of climate science has ushered in some kind of a mega-groundswell of interest in global warming amongst the public. But in the real world, people couldn't give a rats ass..........only the hyper-hysterical k00k AGW alarmists are screaming bloody blue murder and relatively speaking, that's only a handful of people compared to the overall population. Every single poll the last 6 or 7 years shows the same thing: in terms of the peoples concerns, "global warming" ranks at the very very bottom ( like 21st or of 22 concerns)

The kookster's usual denier cult insanity.....saying nothing badly....

See post #23 for actual Royal Society position on human caused global warming and its associated climate changes.
 
Royal fAiL

Weve been hearing the same drum roll.............

"The choices we make now will have far-reaching consequences. We need to develop mitigation and adaptation strategies to address the challenges that climate change poses. These strategies include developing and deploying low carbon technologies, improving energy efficiency, and changing behaviours to enable sustainable development."

...........for almost 3 decades from the alarmist nutters. And what has changed? Ummm...............like nothing!!! Six years ago now, cap and Trade took a dump and nobody is talking about it. Fossil fuels continue to DOMINATEthe landscape and every reputable projection ( including the Obama EIA ) says in 2050, renewable energy is still going to be a fucking joke!! ( I will happily post the projection graphs by request only )

On internet forums you might think that the current state of climate science has ushered in some kind of a mega-groundswell of interest in global warming amongst the public. But in the real world, people couldn't give a rats ass..........only the hyper-hysterical k00k AGW alarmists are screaming bloody blue murder and relatively speaking, that's only a handful of people compared to the overall population. Every single poll the last 6 or 7 years shows the same thing: in terms of the peoples concerns, "global warming" ranks at the very very bottom ( like 21st or of 22 concerns)

The kookster's usual denier cult insanity.....saying nothing badly....

See post #23 for actual Royal Society position on human caused global warming and its associated climate changes.

And its WRONG! By empirical evidence and facts...
 
Royal fAiL

Weve been hearing the same drum roll.............

"The choices we make now will have far-reaching consequences. We need to develop mitigation and adaptation strategies to address the challenges that climate change poses. These strategies include developing and deploying low carbon technologies, improving energy efficiency, and changing behaviours to enable sustainable development."

...........for almost 3 decades from the alarmist nutters. And what has changed? Ummm...............like nothing!!! Six years ago now, cap and Trade took a dump and nobody is talking about it. Fossil fuels continue to DOMINATEthe landscape and every reputable projection ( including the Obama EIA ) says in 2050, renewable energy is still going to be a fucking joke!! ( I will happily post the projection graphs by request only )

On internet forums you might think that the current state of climate science has ushered in some kind of a mega-groundswell of interest in global warming amongst the public. But in the real world, people couldn't give a rats ass..........only the hyper-hysterical k00k AGW alarmists are screaming bloody blue murder and relatively speaking, that's only a handful of people compared to the overall population. Every single poll the last 6 or 7 years shows the same thing: in terms of the peoples concerns, "global warming" ranks at the very very bottom ( like 21st or of 22 concerns)

The kookster's usual denier cult insanity.....saying nothing badly....

See post #23 for actual Royal Society position on human caused global warming and its associated climate changes.

And its WRONG! By empirical evidence and facts...
You have no idea what those words even mean.

You are like a flat-earther claiming that all of those NASA photos are faked.

You have no facts or empirical evidence to support your bamboozled denial of the scientifically confirmed reality of human caused global warming and its consequent climate changes. When challenged to come up with some actual evidence to support your crackpot views, you inevitably fail.
 
The real position of the Royal Society and affiliated organizations = sanity and acceptance of reality.

Climate change
Supporting the chemical science community to help tackle climate change

Royal Society of Chemistry
In December 2015, nations around the world will gather in Paris to develop a new international climate change agreement.

In the lead-up to this important conference, we will be supporting the chemical sciences community in discussing and contributing to our understanding of climate change (for example, through the Faraday Discussions series of conferences and publications) as well as its causes and impacts.

You can read more about causes and impacts of climate change in our special collection of research papers, review articles and themed collections. You can also read more about the role of atmospheric chemists in climate change research in Education in Chemistry.

We will also have scientific meetings and wider community engagement activities focused on the many ways in which chemistry will contribute to mitigating and adapting to climate change (for example, see our work on energy, food and water).

You can read more about how chemistry contributes to tackling global challenges in RSC News.

We have joined with the Institution of Chemical Engineers to reaffirm our own position on climate change. Read our joint statement below.


UK science communiqué on climate change
We are one of 24 of the UK’s Professional and Learned Societies that have endorsed a communiqué on climate change calling for government action. The organisations involved represent a diverse range of expertise from across the sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, medicine and engineering.

Together, we launched this statement in July 2015, which was covered in the Guardian and Telegraph newspapers.


Download the full communiqué text.
Our statement on climate change
The overwhelming weight of scientific evidence indicates that human activity is the predominant cause of recent climate change. It is clear that the increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions since the industrial revolution is the chief cause of observed global warming. Regional and year-on-year variations are expected within climate systems, but the evidence shows warming over the last half-century that cannot be explained by natural causes.

Carbon dioxide is already at levels much higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years, and continued emissions are expected to lead to significant further warming. Moreover, the speed of warming will be faster than during past natural climate change events, making adaptation more difficult. This change in climate is expected to bring changes in regional temperature and precipitation and to increase the frequency of heat waves, heavy rainfall, and some other types of extreme weather events. These will have a serious adverse effect on human wellbeing and the natural world.

The choices we make now will have far-reaching consequences. We need to develop mitigation and adaptation strategies to address the challenges that climate change poses. These strategies include developing and deploying low carbon technologies, improving energy efficiency, and changing behaviours to enable sustainable development.

The Royal Society of Chemistry and the Institution of Chemical Engineers are committed to supporting the chemical sciences community in their contributions to tackling climate change. The chemical sciences help us to understand, mitigate, and adapt to climate change. The best evidence based on the best science is essential to inform the right policy decisions on all three fronts. Already, chemists and chemical engineers contribute in a variety of ways, such as improving our understanding of atmospheric and ocean chemistry, investigating the consequences of climate change, developing new energy and carbon mitigation solutions, and helping crops to tolerate the changing conditions.

Royal Society of Chemistry
Dominic Tildesley CBE - President
Lesley Yellowlees CBE - Immediate Past President
David Phillips CBE - Past President

Institution of Chemical Engineers
Geoffrey Maitland - President
Judith Hackitt CBE - Immediate Past President
Russell Scott - Past President

And NONE of that has anything to do with the solar scientists looking at the next Solar Minimum.. You trying to defend the Royal Society because one of their members is doing actually IMPORTANT climate science?

Or just being ornery? Why would they need defending? Is it offensive to you that SOME scientists are keeping an eye on that big ball of flame and not toeing the GW line??

You think your GW religion is the only game in town or some damn thing?
 
The real position of the Royal Society and affiliated organizations = sanity and acceptance of reality.

Climate change
Supporting the chemical science community to help tackle climate change

Royal Society of Chemistry
In December 2015, nations around the world will gather in Paris to develop a new international climate change agreement.

In the lead-up to this important conference, we will be supporting the chemical sciences community in discussing and contributing to our understanding of climate change (for example, through the Faraday Discussions series of conferences and publications) as well as its causes and impacts.

You can read more about causes and impacts of climate change in our special collection of research papers, review articles and themed collections. You can also read more about the role of atmospheric chemists in climate change research in Education in Chemistry.

We will also have scientific meetings and wider community engagement activities focused on the many ways in which chemistry will contribute to mitigating and adapting to climate change (for example, see our work on energy, food and water).

You can read more about how chemistry contributes to tackling global challenges in RSC News.

We have joined with the Institution of Chemical Engineers to reaffirm our own position on climate change. Read our joint statement below.


UK science communiqué on climate change
We are one of 24 of the UK’s Professional and Learned Societies that have endorsed a communiqué on climate change calling for government action. The organisations involved represent a diverse range of expertise from across the sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, medicine and engineering.

Together, we launched this statement in July 2015, which was covered in the Guardian and Telegraph newspapers.


Download the full communiqué text.
Our statement on climate change
The overwhelming weight of scientific evidence indicates that human activity is the predominant cause of recent climate change. It is clear that the increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions since the industrial revolution is the chief cause of observed global warming. Regional and year-on-year variations are expected within climate systems, but the evidence shows warming over the last half-century that cannot be explained by natural causes.

Carbon dioxide is already at levels much higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years, and continued emissions are expected to lead to significant further warming. Moreover, the speed of warming will be faster than during past natural climate change events, making adaptation more difficult. This change in climate is expected to bring changes in regional temperature and precipitation and to increase the frequency of heat waves, heavy rainfall, and some other types of extreme weather events. These will have a serious adverse effect on human wellbeing and the natural world.

The choices we make now will have far-reaching consequences. We need to develop mitigation and adaptation strategies to address the challenges that climate change poses. These strategies include developing and deploying low carbon technologies, improving energy efficiency, and changing behaviours to enable sustainable development.

The Royal Society of Chemistry and the Institution of Chemical Engineers are committed to supporting the chemical sciences community in their contributions to tackling climate change. The chemical sciences help us to understand, mitigate, and adapt to climate change. The best evidence based on the best science is essential to inform the right policy decisions on all three fronts. Already, chemists and chemical engineers contribute in a variety of ways, such as improving our understanding of atmospheric and ocean chemistry, investigating the consequences of climate change, developing new energy and carbon mitigation solutions, and helping crops to tolerate the changing conditions.

Royal Society of Chemistry
Dominic Tildesley CBE - President
Lesley Yellowlees CBE - Immediate Past President
David Phillips CBE - Past President

Institution of Chemical Engineers
Geoffrey Maitland - President
Judith Hackitt CBE - Immediate Past President
Russell Scott - Past President

And NONE of that has anything to do with the solar scientists looking at the next Solar Minimum.. You trying to defend the Royal Society because one of their members is doing actually IMPORTANT climate science?
Nobody NEEDS to "defend the Royal Society". Their position supporting the scientific consensus on human caused global warming is very clear and fully supported by all of the evidence.

The OP of this thread is just bogus BS created by denier cult propaganda pushers. The fraudulent story stemmed from a presentation at the Royal Astronomical Society’s National Astronomy Meeting this year in Wales by mathematician Valentina Zharkova. Her research (not yet published at that time) suggested that the sun could be headed for a quiet phase similar to the "Maunder Minimum”, but her research doesn’t say anything about how this solar minimum would impact the Earth’s climate. Get that clear! Neither she nor anybody else at The Royal Society ever said, as the kookster's demented, lying OP claimed: "its gonna be gettng ALOT colder!!!".

In fact, the warming being caused by the excess CO2 mankind is emitting far surpasses and far outlasts any cooling that might stem from an decade or so extended solar minimum.
 
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Have you LOOKED at the evidence??

Yes. It all rejects the cooling predictions. Have you looked a the evidence? Not just denier blogs, but the real evidence.

The pattern of pre-Maunder minimum sun spot activity and shapes and sizes versus the last 3 or 4 of ours? Like I said the other day .. It's like a Power Ball drawing and the first 4 numbers match.. You best stop whining about stuff and take a look for yourself. This chart compares to Dalton Minimum, but it's the same idea.

sc24-versus-sc5.png

Even if your curve fitting cherrypicks there turn out to give a correct prediction, the tiny dip in solar output will have no significant effect on temperature. Even a new Maunder Minimum would be overwhelmed by only a couple years of our CO2 output. Real scientists actually ran the numbers, instead of simply looking at a graph and declaring they knew the answer, so the real scientists know the cooling theories are a joke.

Hell -- the whole warmer argument for GW depends on matching patterns between temperature and CO2 and calling it a match.. You ought to LOVE stuff like this...

That's a complete reversal of reality. Global warming science uses no pattern matching. That sort of mathturbation is junk science, which is why deniers really on it almost exclusively, like you just did.

If you say earth's climate response is much more sensitive to solar output than current theories posit, then why has the earth kept warming strongly now as the sun has cooled slightly? That there is a demonstration of how insensitive earth's climate is to solar changes.

And if you say there's a time delay ... tell us what it is. Let us know exact;y how many more years of warming have to happen before you admit your "cooling coming up soon!" theory is a crock.
 
Have you LOOKED at the evidence??

Yes. It all rejects the cooling predictions. Have you looked a the evidence? Not just denier blogs, but the real evidence.

The pattern of pre-Maunder minimum sun spot activity and shapes and sizes versus the last 3 or 4 of ours? Like I said the other day .. It's like a Power Ball drawing and the first 4 numbers match.. You best stop whining about stuff and take a look for yourself. This chart compares to Dalton Minimum, but it's the same idea.

sc24-versus-sc5.png

Even if your curve fitting cherrypicks there turn out to give a correct prediction, the tiny dip in solar output will have no significant effect on temperature. Even a new Maunder Minimum would be overwhelmed by only a couple years of our CO2 output. Real scientists actually ran the numbers, instead of simply looking at a graph and declaring they knew the answer, so the real scientists know the cooling theories are a joke.

Hell -- the whole warmer argument for GW depends on matching patterns between temperature and CO2 and calling it a match.. You ought to LOVE stuff like this...

That's a complete reversal of reality. Global warming science uses no pattern matching. That sort of mathturbation is junk science, which is why deniers really on it almost exclusively, like you just did.

If you say earth's climate response is much more sensitive to solar output than current theories posit, then why has the earth kept warming strongly now as the sun has cooled slightly? That there is a demonstration of how insensitive earth's climate is to solar changes.

And if you say there's a time delay ... tell us what it is. Let us know exact;y how many more years of warming have to happen before you admit your "cooling coming up soon!" theory is a crock.

Hack.. Post some skeptical views on these findings. The consensus is growing.

As for GW not using any pattern matching.. HaHaHaHa --- All you guys got in front of the public was the evidence that CO2 increase "kinda" matches the temperature rise. When in reality -- a system that complex would likely NEVER be correlated with a single variable.
 
That's a complete reversal of reality. Global warming science uses no pattern matching. That sort of mathturbation is junk science, which is why deniers really on it almost exclusively, like you just did.

If you say earth's climate response is much more sensitive to solar output than current theories posit, then why has the earth kept warming strongly now as the sun has cooled slightly? That there is a demonstration of how insensitive earth's climate is to solar changes.

And if you say there's a time delay ... tell us what it is. Let us know exact;y how many more years of warming have to happen before you admit your "cooling coming up soon!" theory is a crock.

We know who you are.....
.....or do you just have a cough?




Post some skeptical views on these findings.
You mean some denier cult, reality-rejecting, crackpot pseudo-science twaddle written by some half-witted non-scientist stooging for the fossil fuel industry? You must mean that because that is all you ever spew onto this forum. There is actually no doubt scientifically about the fact that the sun's irradiance has been declining at the same time the Earth has been rapidly warming.






The consensus is growing.

Well yes, two of them are indeed growing:
* first, the consensus among all of the sane, rational and at least somewhat intelligent adults in the world that you demented denier cult dingbats are irrational cretins who've been so thoroughly bamboozled by the propaganda pushers working for the fossil fuel industry that you no longer know up from down or your own ass from a hole in the ground;

* and primarily, the overwhelming consensus in the world scientific community on the reality and extreme dangers of the current human caused global warming and its consequent climate changes and disruptions.






All you guys got in front of the public was the evidence that CO2 increase "kinda" matches the temperature rise. When in reality -- a system that complex would likely NEVER be correlated with a single variable.

More ignorant bullcrap! There are enormous amounts of evidence linking the abrupt rise in temperatures to the massive (43% so far) increase in atmospheric CO2 levels and the corresponding large increase in oceanic CO2 levels. Moreover, many complex systems, for all of their internal variability, are completely dominated by a single variable. You speak from lazy ignorance, without any sign of education, knowledge, understanding or rational thought.
 
So you have ZERO credible science to rebut the premise of the OP..
YET --- you are accusing THESE solar scientists of being phoneys and frauds.

My how the tables have turned. You're now a DENIER !!!!!


Got it TinkerBelle..
 
So you have ZERO credible science to rebut the premise of the OP..
YET --- you are accusing THESE solar scientists of being phoneys and frauds.

LOLOL.....riiiight....I got nothing - but the facts and the science...and, BTW, most of those solar scientists are not saying what you've been duped into thinking that they are saying, most of them agree that AGW will dominate.....but even if those few you cited disagreed, they would still only be a tiny minority compared to the scientists who strongly affirm the primacy of AGW in our current situation.


The global mean temperature difference is shown for the time period 1900 to 2100 for the IPCC A2 emissions scenario. The red line shows predicted temperature change for the current level of solar activity, the blue line shows predicted temperature change for solar activity at the much lower level of the Maunder Minimum, and the black line shows observed temperatures through 2010. Adapted from Feulner & Rahmstorf (2010) by SkepticalScience.com


87888235-df92-408f-a4e3-76b36a2640e6-620x458.png

Green dots show the 30-year average of the new PAGES 2k reconstruction. The red curve shows the global mean surface temperature, according HadCRUT4 data from 1850 onwards. In blue is the original hockey stick of Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1999) with its uncertainty range (light blue). Graph by Klaus Bitterman. 400 years of sunspot observations are inlaid, created by Robert Rohde.


See the rest back at post #10.
 
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So you have ZERO credible science to rebut the premise of the OP..
YET --- you are accusing THESE solar scientists of being phoneys and frauds.

LOLOL.....riiiight....I got nothing - but the facts and the science...and, BTW, most of those solar scientists are not saying what you've been duped into thinking that they are saying, most of them agree that AGW will dominate.....but even if those few you cited disagreed, they would still only be a tiny minority compared to the scientists who strongly affirm the primacy of AGW in our current situation.


The global mean temperature difference is shown for the time period 1900 to 2100 for the IPCC A2 emissions scenario. The red line shows predicted temperature change for the current level of solar activity, the blue line shows predicted temperature change for solar activity at the much lower level of the Maunder Minimum, and the black line shows observed temperatures through 2010. Adapted from Feulner & Rahmstorf (2010) by SkepticalScience.com


87888235-df92-408f-a4e3-76b36a2640e6-620x458.png

Green dots show the 30-year average of the new PAGES 2k reconstruction. The red curve shows the global mean surface temperature, according HadCRUT4 data from 1850 onwards. In blue is the original hockey stick of Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1999) with its uncertainty range (light blue). Graph by Klaus Bitterman. 400 years of sunspot observations are inlaid, created by Robert Rohde.


See the rest back at post #10.


But heres the thing..........a lot of the predictions made by the AGW climate crusaders have fallen flat on their face and that's the whole point. They really don't know dick about what will dominate 10..........25..........50 years from now. For example, none of these bozo's predicted that the last 3 winters in the northeast have been bitterly cold. So........clearly the population as a whole doesn't buy the alarmist view and all their k00ky predictions. If they did, they'd be on the phone with their representative demanding legislation to combat global warming. They're not....:eusa_dance::eusa_dance:....they see the distinct lack of precision with these dopey models. Nobody is caring about global warming in 2015 and the concern has actually been falling like a stone in water for the last 8 years. The failure of the models is very well documented.


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So you have ZERO credible science to rebut the premise of the OP..
YET --- you are accusing THESE solar scientists of being phoneys and frauds.

LOLOL.....riiiight....I got nothing - but the facts and the science...and, BTW, most of those solar scientists are not saying what you've been duped into thinking that they are saying, most of them agree that AGW will dominate.....but even if those few you cited disagreed, they would still only be a tiny minority compared to the scientists who strongly affirm the primacy of AGW in our current situation.


The global mean temperature difference is shown for the time period 1900 to 2100 for the IPCC A2 emissions scenario. The red line shows predicted temperature change for the current level of solar activity, the blue line shows predicted temperature change for solar activity at the much lower level of the Maunder Minimum, and the black line shows observed temperatures through 2010. Adapted from Feulner & Rahmstorf (2010) by SkepticalScience.com


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Green dots show the 30-year average of the new PAGES 2k reconstruction. The red curve shows the global mean surface temperature, according HadCRUT4 data from 1850 onwards. In blue is the original hockey stick of Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1999) with its uncertainty range (light blue). Graph by Klaus Bitterman. 400 years of sunspot observations are inlaid, created by Robert Rohde.


See the rest back at post #10.

LOL....

The A2 MODELED SCENARIO


Tell me again how its falsification predictive stage went?
 
So you have ZERO credible science to rebut the premise of the OP..
YET --- you are accusing THESE solar scientists of being phoneys and frauds.

LOLOL.....riiiight....I got nothing - but the facts and the science...and, BTW, most of those solar scientists are not saying what you've been duped into thinking that they are saying, most of them agree that AGW will dominate.....but even if those few you cited disagreed, they would still only be a tiny minority compared to the scientists who strongly affirm the primacy of AGW in our current situation.


The global mean temperature difference is shown for the time period 1900 to 2100 for the IPCC A2 emissions scenario. The red line shows predicted temperature change for the current level of solar activity, the blue line shows predicted temperature change for solar activity at the much lower level of the Maunder Minimum, and the black line shows observed temperatures through 2010. Adapted from Feulner & Rahmstorf (2010) by SkepticalScience.com


87888235-df92-408f-a4e3-76b36a2640e6-620x458.png

Green dots show the 30-year average of the new PAGES 2k reconstruction. The red curve shows the global mean surface temperature, according HadCRUT4 data from 1850 onwards. In blue is the original hockey stick of Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1999) with its uncertainty range (light blue). Graph by Klaus Bitterman. 400 years of sunspot observations are inlaid, created by Robert Rohde.


See the rest back at post #10.

You keep throwing that nutcake Nutticelli out to explain things. He's NOT a solar scientist, and he HAND DREW those charts.... Or had his cartoonist partner in political activism draw them for him. You're an ass for even not recognizing that.. SkepShitScience has no climate models, no ability to forecast the effect of a Solar Minimum and put it on a chart. He even got the SHAPE and DURATION of the minimum totally wrong.

If you're not embarrassed by relying on these jerks for your brain -- you're even stupider than I assumed..

Go find me EVEN ONE solar scientist that says there's NO CHANCE of this happening. Or that it would have less of an effect than the previous Solar Minimums..
 
And that 2nd Hockey Stick collection from Nutti ?? NONE of those studies had the time resolution to resolve a 100 year solar event. That's why it's largely NOT there. But other SINGLE (not Global) proxies do.. And the effect of the Solar minimum is about 6 times greater than Nutti admits..
 
Deniers are soooo insane.

The idiotic OP made this fraudulent claim:
"a top Royal Society professor claimed at their annual meeting that in a few years, there is a very good chance of the earth getting colder..........in fact, possibly a lot colder!!!"

This was a lie!

The mathematician who presented the paper in question to the Royal Astronomical Society NEVER SAID THAT THE POSSIBLE EXTENDED SOLAR MINIMUM WOULD MAKE THE EARTH COLDER.....NOR DID HER PAPER......NOR DID ANYONE ELSE AT THE ROYAL SOCIETY.

ALL of the scientists are saying that an extended solar minimum, similar to the Maunder Minimum, would have almost no effect on the rising temperature trend being caused by the highly elevated Co2 levels that mankind's activities have produced.
 
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