Ron Paul

[Paulie]

Here's what you refuse to understand, which I think Paul does too. It would be 'nothing' if he distanced himself from the groups and returned those donations that could be identified with members of those organizations. But he won't, so the problems will continue.

But that would be in direct conflict with everything the man stands for. You can't claim Libertarian postitions, and then tell certain groups you don't agree with them, and that they can't support you. Instead, you merely allow those groups their freedom they have to support whomever they please. That's what America is about, isn't it Kath? Freedoms?

You WANT him to do something that he doesn't even believe in. People should be free to like or dislike whoever they want, and support whatever candidate they want. It's when those groups of people commit CRIMES, when things start coming in to play.

It's like this: Ron says he doesn't SUPPORT the VIEWS of some of his supporters, but he supports their right to have those views. I believe him, apparently you do not. If RP uses his potential positition as President, should he be elected, to help those groups further their agenda, then there's a conflict of interest. Him simply allowing them the freedom to express themselves, is what this country is about.

What's up with you, Kath? You a fascist or something? I mean, do you understand the bill of rights? Do you even support it?

The crazy thing here, is you're arguing over a measly $500 out of almost $30 million he's raised this year. I know, I know, there's a PRINCIPLE, right? What about RON'S principle? What about the principle that those groups have a legal right to their beliefs? Ron's doing what he's ALWAYS done, be stubborn for the sake of his own belief of liberty.

We could argue about this until election day, and apparently we probably would, too, if we kept this going. Let's just agree to disagree, ok?

At least I can admit that I understand where your coming from, and what your concerns are. You haven't ONCE conceded that you UNDERSTAND why Ron's taking the position he's taking. You just think he's a dirty racist, and anything he does that doesn't suit YOUR specific desire is just not enough.

I'm glad you don't speak for the entire electorate.

 

[Paulie]

Anyway, I'll be off the board for about a week, so I'll close by saying merry x-mas. Talk to you when I get back.

 

[Annie]

But that would be in direct conflict with everything the man stands for. You can't claim Libertarian postitions, and then tell certain groups you don't agree with them, and that they can't support you. Instead, you merely allow those groups their freedom they have to support whomever they please. That's what America is about, isn't it Kath? Freedoms?

You WANT him to do something that he doesn't even believe in. People should be free to like or dislike whoever they want, and support whatever candidate they want. It's when those groups of people commit CRIMES, when things start coming in to play.

It's like this: Ron says he doesn't SUPPORT the VIEWS of some of his supporters, but he supports their right to have those views. I believe him, apparently you do not. If RP uses his potential positition as President, should he be elected, to help those groups further their agenda, then there's a conflict of interest. Him simply allowing them the freedom to express themselves, is what this country is about.

What's up with you, Kath? You a fascist or something? I mean, do you understand the bill of rights? Do you even support it?

You seem to be the one that doesn't understand the Constitution or what it's freedoms mean. Did I say one thing about throwing those backers in jail? Making it illegal to take their money? Having the police check out donations? That would be fascist-like, that would be wrong. But I didn't, so that was your 'shit at the wall again, see what can stick.'

No, it's not only legal for Paul to do more than pay lip service against the groups, it's also legal and ethical to say, "I'll take less money than appear to condone these types of groups." Part of the reason Rudy started off as well as he did is that people remember him not excepting the $10million from the Saudi prince that had found reasons for 9/11. Granted that cost the city of New York, not Rudy. However since you say that 99% of the Paul supporters are not of the ilk we are speaking, considering he's not running to win, but running to 'spread his message', it would be small amounts indeed.

The crazy thing here, is you're arguing over a measly $500 out of almost $30 million he's raised this year. I know, I know, there's a PRINCIPLE, right? What about RON'S principle? What about the principle that those groups have a legal right to their beliefs? Ron's doing what he's ALWAYS done, be stubborn for the sake of his own belief of liberty.

While I'm sure it's more than $500, according to you it would still be less than significant amount. As for belonging to these hate groups, no one is arguing that or ever has.

We could argue about this until election day, and apparently we probably would, too, if we kept this going. Let's just agree to disagree, ok?

At least I can admit that I understand where your coming from, and what your concerns are. You haven't ONCE conceded that you UNDERSTAND why Ron's taking the position he's taking. You just think he's a dirty racist, and anything he does that doesn't suit YOUR specific desire is just not enough.

I'm glad you don't speak for the entire electorate.

Oh I have no doubt we'll disagree, we do and will continue to do so I'm certain. As for my arguing/debating that's up to you. I'll continue to post anything I find of interest.

Have a nice holiday.

 

[William Joyce]

Here's what you refuse to understand, which I think Paul does too. It would be 'nothing' if he distanced himself from the groups and returned those donations that could be identified with members of those organizations. But he won't, so the problems will continue.

By "problems," you mean the annoyance of the MSM and the necons and liberal elites with Ron Paul's popularity. You don't mean "problems" as in declining support. Every time Ron Paul delivers another "F You" to the system by not pandering and giving back Stormfront money or something else, the CHEERS ONLY GET LOUDER. His keeping the money is a more a sign he's NOT for sale than vice-versa.

Ron Paul has rural support. He has more military support than all other Republicans. He has urban libertarian support. I SEE IT when I'm out. RP stickers are everywhere. And yes, there are white nationalists supporting him. But not because he is, mostly because he's got an America-first foreign policy. That's a bad thing?

I love it. Maybe RP won't be president. But for now, I am totally enjoying this. There is no QUESTION that the RP "surge" is due in part to rising white racial consciousness, frustration with globalism and elitism, frustration with wars-for-Israel. No question about it. And that SCARES the enemies of whites, SCARES THEM SHITLESS.

 

[Annie]

By "problems," you mean the annoyance of the MSM and the necons and liberal elites with Ron Paul's popularity. You don't mean "problems" as in declining support. Every time Ron Paul delivers another "F You" to the system by not pandering and giving back Stormfront money or something else, the CHEERS ONLY GET LOUDER. His keeping the money is a more a sign he's NOT for sale than vice-versa.

Ron Paul has rural support. He has more military support than all other Republicans. He has urban libertarian support. I SEE IT when I'm out. RP stickers are everywhere. And yes, there are white nationalists supporting him. But not because he is, mostly because he's got an America-first foreign policy. That's a bad thing?

I love it. Maybe RP won't be president. But for now, I am totally enjoying this. There is no QUESTION that the RP "surge" is due in part to rising white racial consciousness, frustration with globalism and elitism, frustration with wars-for-Israel. No question about it. And that SCARES the enemies of whites, SCARES THEM SHITLESS.

We are in agreement, though the 'scares them shitless' has more to do with fascism than anything else.

 

[jillian]

OK, I saw the good doctor on Meet the Press.

He's against government spending, except when it comes to earmarks for his district.

He's for term limits, except with respect to his own 18 year term.

He's a "repub" who says Ronald Reagan was a failure, GHWB a cipher, he didn't vote for GWB. But he's running as Repub because the libertarian party can't win an election.

Hang the poor out to dry, take away the safety net for our old.

And he's a dangerous SOB.... citizenship not by birth?!?!?!?! Gee... how much Jew blood will a "citizen" be allowed to have with good ole Ronnie?

He's a "constitutionalist" who wants to amend the constitution to divest people of their citizenship.

No wonder the white supremacists love him.

I so hope he does a third party campaign when he loses the repub nod.

But, Kathianne, let me tell you, you're so right about this guy.

 

[jillian]

By "problems," you mean the annoyance of the MSM and the necons and liberal elites with Ron Paul's popularity. You don't mean "problems" as in declining support. Every time Ron Paul delivers another "F You" to the system by not pandering and giving back Stormfront money or something else, the CHEERS ONLY GET LOUDER. His keeping the money is a more a sign he's NOT for sale than vice-versa.

Ron Paul has rural support. He has more military support than all other Republicans. He has urban libertarian support. I SEE IT when I'm out. RP stickers are everywhere. And yes, there are white nationalists supporting him. But not because he is, mostly because he's got an America-first foreign policy. That's a bad thing?

I love it. Maybe RP won't be president. But for now, I am totally enjoying this. There is no QUESTION that the RP "surge" is due in part to rising white racial consciousness, frustration with globalism and elitism, frustration with wars-for-Israel. No question about it. And that SCARES the enemies of whites, SCARES THEM SHITLESS.

How about ... normal people don't want to live in Nazi Germany. Too bad you're trying to make this country into that, with RP being a conduit to move you closer.

So tell me lawyer WJ, what are the true repercussions of citizenship being based on sanguinity and not birth?

Go ahead.. .tell 'em.. call it what it is if you're so proud.

 

[William Joyce]

So tell me lawyer WJ, what are the true repercussions of citizenship being based on sanguinity and not birth?

I refer you to the Law of Return, the primary citizenship law of Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

 

[jillian]

I refer you to the Law of Return, the primary citizenship law of Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

Nope... you don't get off that easy. Tell them what it means HERE. Go 'head, I know you can do it.

Go ahead, think back to the Nuremberg laws... I know you know them by heart.

 

[eots]

why dont you just admit anyone who does not blindly support your Israel is considered in your book to be a Nazi



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[William Joyce]

Nope... you don't get off that easy. Tell them what it means HERE. Go 'head, I know you can do it.

Go ahead, think back to the Nuremberg laws... I know you know them by heart.

"HERE" is the United States, where I live and where RP is running for president, 2007.

The Nuremberg laws applied in Nazi Germany, 1930s. Germany, a European country bordering France, across Atlantic from here.

The Law of Return applies in Israel, as we speak. Israel, middle eastern country on the Mediterranean, bordered by Lebanon, Egypt, other countries.

Just so you're oriented.

And I realize you haven't been on the board as long as I have, but you aren't going to "catch" me by denouncing government policies that take cognizance of race. You can scare off any number of participants by invoking "Nazis," but not me. Nazi Germany was an exercise in racial nationalism. It killed people. It was hardly historically unique. Today, ISRAEL is the closest analogue to Nazi Germany going. Big deal. You NEVER seem obliged to engage this particular topic, and I wonder why. I've talked to Jews who don't mind doing so, and would see all Arabs liquidated if it were a choice between Jews and Arabs. That sounds understandable to me, actually. Just as I could understand an Arab feeling the opposite way. Etc.

My interest is in a racial nationalism for white Americans. In my angrier moments I don't give a fuck what happens to the non-white hordes currently hoping to suck my nation dry, and especially the Jews who through their machinations seek my own people's death/subjugation/dispossession. I'm just being honest here. I think there are plenty of solutions short of violence and death, but, like the Jews, I see no moral problem with reserving the right. None. Nada. The survival of my race is paramount. Capital gains taxes, abortion, guns, all that shit can take a hike, in my opinion. In the long run, they all mean far, far less than the very existence of my people.

I didn't see Ron Paul's comments on birthright citizenship, if that's the issue you're referring to. It seems Ron Paul is about a galaxy away from a sentiment like mine on race. The issue itself, I believe, refers to a misinterpretation of the Constitution whereby anyone born on American soil is automatically a citizen. Nothing in the Constitution provides for special treatment for whites, and if birth on the soil is not determinative, something else non-racial would be, like citizenship of parents, for instance. But interesting that "death for Jews" is what would leap to your mind when you hear him talking about it. I doubt very, very much Ron Paul has that in mind. But if THAT is your reaction to Ron Paul, and pretty much every other mild attempt at common sense, then you're as "paranoid" as I am. Your every waking concern is with what's happening or will happen to Jews.

Consider me the white reaction to that.

Speaking of Jews and whites and the survival of Western people, the biggest racialist conference in the world is set for February next year in Virginia:

http://www.amren.com/conference/2008/index.html

Paul Gottfried, a Jew and sharp critic of white-bashing, will speak, and there will be plenty of white nationalists with a great deal of skepticism about Jewish aims in attendance, as well. Great fun!

 

[Dr Grump]

and especially the Jews who through their machinations seek my own people's death/subjugation/dispossession.

I would love you to expand on this. Not some "once-over-lightly" rhetoric. Cold, hard facts. And I'm not doing an M14 here and what you to be within some unrealistic parameters that can never be met. Just some solid anecdotal (almost an oxymoron here, but I think you know what i mean) evidence that they seek your death and subjugation.

The survival of my race is paramount

And why is that sooo important. We are all probably gonna be coffee-coloured people in about 1500 years. There'll be no Asians, blacks, whites, latinos! Then what'll you do?

 

[eots]

Racist Smears Against Ron Paul Exposed
Establishment finds no skeletons in Congressman's closet, resorts to crass guilt by association smear

Prison Planet | December 21, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson

Peddlers of American Nazi Party leader Bill White's ridiculous claim that Ron Paul is a white supremacist have unwittingly exposed themselves as Israeli propagandists, after a keen-eyed Mike Rivero over at WhatReallyHappened.com spotted the icon for "Megaphone," an Israeli government supported PR front, on one of their screenshots.

The image appeared on a screen capture which was posted on several messageboards by one of White's bloggers who was attempting to prove the validity of White's claim by showing it had originated directly from his neo-nazi Stormfront website.

In his zeal to push White's lies, the blogger unwittingly exposed himself as a member of an Israeli-government backed propaganda network.

(Article Continues Below) According to Wikipedia , "The Megaphone desktop tool is a Microsoft Windows application distributed by the World Union of Jewish Students and other pro-Israel organizations, through the Giyus.org website. Released on July 19, 2006, it delivers real-time alerts about key articles, videos, blogs, and surveys to subscribers so that they can voice their opinions and work together to support Israel on the public opinion front."

The Israeli government itself has urged users to "become cyberspace soldiers in the new battleground for Israel's image," by using the Megaphone tool.

UK technology website The Register has described use of the software as "highly organised mass manipulation of technologies which are supposed to be democratising" and slammed Megaphone as "effectively a high-tech exercise in ballot-stuffing".


White's claim about Ron Paul's "extensive involvement in white nationalism" is patently ridiculous in itself.

As Rivero points out , "Now, one might suppose that the American Nazi party would be happy to have a candidate who shares their views, and one might assume that Bill White is smart enough to know that making such a public accusation is going to be quite harmful to the candidate he claims shares his philosophy. Indeed it does appear that Bill White's accusation is intended to cause as much harm to Ron Paul as possible."

As is strikingly obvious, Bill White's spurious claim is the latest salvo in a desperate attempt on behalf of the establishment to smear Ron Paul as a fascist racist sympathizer.

Since the Congressman is as clean as a whistle and unlike Romney, Huckabee and Giuliani has no skeletons in the closet, the establishment are forced to resort to the dirtiest trick in the book - guilt by association.

Nowhere was this more evident than an Associated Press headline yesterday - Paul Keeps White Supremacist Donation - a blatant slur designed to scare off undecided voters from researching further into what the Congressman actually stands for.

I'm sure the media could dig up all kinds of monsters who have given hefty sums to Romney and Giuliani and then tar them with the same brush but you'll never see it happen, because as Salon writer Glenn Greenwald points out , the establishment have launched a vicious assault on Ron Paul.

How about the Neo-Cons who advocate ethnically cleansing the middle east and making Bush dictator of the world? Who have they donated to? Romney Keeps Donation From Fascist Ethnic Cleansing Advocate - will AP carry that story?

How about Stu Bykovsky, the Philadelphia Inquirer writer who called for a new 9/11 to reinvigorate support for Republicans - who did he donate to and why isn't the media interested in finding out? Giuliani Keeps Donation From Writer Who Yearned For New 9/11 is a headline we'll never see.

How about talking to those putrid Neo-Cons who went on the National Review's annual cruise this past summer - you know, the people who like to share their belief that anyone who protests against Bush be executed in gas chambers - who did they donate to? McCain? Huckabee?

The media won't find out and they won't be issuing any ad hominem smear headlines against any of the establishment candidates because they know on which side their bread is buttered.

 

[jillian]

I would love you to expand on this. Not some "once-over-lightly" rhetoric. Cold, hard facts. And I'm not doing an M14 here and what you to be within some unrealistic parameters that can never be met. Just some solid anecdotal (almost an oxymoron here, but I think you know what i mean) evidence that they seek your death and subjugation.



And why is that sooo important. We are all probably gonna be coffee-coloured people in about 1500 years. There'll be no Asians, blacks, whites, latinos! Then what'll you do?

He'll roll over in his grave.

 

[jillian]

"HERE" is the United States, where I live and where RP is running for president, 2007.

The Nuremberg laws applied in Nazi Germany, 1930s. Germany, a European country bordering France, across Atlantic from here.

Oh... I'm oriented... but you're purposely avoiding my point. So let me help you.

The Nuremberg Laws (German: Nürnberger Gesetze) of 1935 were denaturalization laws passed in Nazi Germany. They used a pseudoscientific basis for racial discrimination against Jews. People with 4 German grandparents (white circles on the chart) were of "German blood", while people were classified as Jews if they descended from three or four Jewish grandparents (black circles in top row right). A person with one or two Jewish grandparents was a Mischling, a crossbreed, of "mixed blood"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

I know how you'd love for such a law to be applied here, but that's what we're talking about.

 

[Annie]

Oh... I'm oriented... but you're purposely avoiding my point. So let me help you.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

I know how you'd have for such a law to be applied here, but that's what we're talking about.

Don't forget Jillian, these folks are no more limited to the Jews than the Nazis were. They have it in for the blacks, the homos, the Papists, etc. Their hate is unbounded. Ron Paul accepts all donations, he doesn't feel the way that his donors may...

 

[jillian]

why dont you just admit anyone who does not blindly support your Israel is considered in your book to be a Nazi

Because that would be a lie.

Now, I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed and you've got so many conspiracy theories running around your poor little angry, ugly, meanspirited brain that thinking straight is kind of difficult for you.

So perhaps you should leave this one to WJ, he knows exactly what I'm talking about and he's way smarter than you. He's also honest enough to say what he is. So why don't you go back to your conspiracy theories, honey. I'm sure they keep you very warm at night.

 

[jillian]

Don't forget Jillian, these folks are no more limited to the Jews than the Nazis were. They have it in for the blacks, the homos, the Papists, etc. Their hate is unbounded. Ron Paul accepts all donations, he doesn't feel the way that his donors may...

Oh I know, but when someone starts talking about sanguinity instead of birth as a basis for citizenship in THIS country, I know exactly what that means.

 

[Annie]

why dont you just admit anyone who does not blindly support your Israel is considered in your book to be a Nazi



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www.youtube.com/watch?v=saDw03JXigA - 6 hours ago -

How about Jillian didn't 'agree' with me for months? Why? Probably because she thought I was going gaga on poor Ron Paul. It's 'so easy' to claim anti-semitism and hatemonger, almost as easy as to say, 'that's what they do', never you mind. Even when true.

Problem is, when true, the prudent get killed.

 

[eots]

Because that would be a lie.

Now, I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed and you've got so many conspiracy theories running around your poor little angry, ugly, meanspirited brain that thinking straight is kind of difficult for you.

So perhaps you should leave this one to WJ, he knows exactly what I'm talking about and he's way smarter than you. He's also honest enough to say what he is. So why don't you go back to your conspiracy theories, honey. I'm sure they keep you very warm at night.

YOU MEAN CONSPIRACY FACTS...THE CFR ,TRI LATERAL COMMISSION AND THE BILDERBURGS AND THEIR STATED AGENDAS ARE FACT , THE FAILURE OF THE 911 COMMISSION AND ITS OMISSIONS IN TESTIMONY AND THE ISSUES OF WTC 7 IS FACT...WHATS A CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORY IS THAT RON PAUL HAS A RACIST, FASCIST, AGENDA....IDIOT