Romney best chance of taking out Obama so far.

[JoeB131]

You sound like an Agnostic to me. You say that one of your biggest reasons for not being a Romney voter is because of his religion. Then you go on & say that you're an Atheist. A true Atheist wouldn't split hairs when it comes to religions because they're all equally far- fetched. You shouldn't go @ calling yourself an Atheist. There is a difference.

An Atheist can believe that Jesus was a real person. Most historians do. Whether or not he was God or did any miracles is up for debate (i kind of doubt it.)

No such wiggle room on Mormonism. Smith made it up.

I don't believe there was ever a "real" Jesus anymore then there was a "real" King Arthur. It seems he may have been a conglomeration of several people that were alive at the time.

In any case..the only known "historian" that vouches for the existence of Jesus is Titus Flavius Josephus. And there is a good deal of "question" how much of that was corrupted by the Christian Church.

Well, that's not true, as he is also mentioned by Tacitus and Suetonius...amongst others.

Not to mention the writers of the Gospels and Epistles.

On the other hand, there is no independent verification of anything in the Book of Mormon.

 

[Dot Com]

An Atheist can believe that Jesus was a real person. Most historians do. Whether or not he was God or did any miracles is up for debate (i kind of doubt it.)

No such wiggle room on Mormonism. Smith made it up.

What makes his visions any less preposterous than the others put out by other organized religions? I'll tell you, nothing

YOu mean other than everything he claimed has been disproven?

IF you're an Atheist, as you claimed earlier, the above would amount to what? A hill of beans? His religion should be at the bottom of the list of reasons why you wouldn't vote for him yet you place that non-issue (for a true Atheist anyway) 2nd from the top You aint no Atheist my friend You're an Agnostic IMO. I don't adhere to any organized religion but, from what I've read, the vast majority of people get their religion from their parents as did Romney.

 

[Dot Com]

An Atheist can believe that Jesus was a real person. Most historians do. Whether or not he was God or did any miracles is up for debate (i kind of doubt it.)

No such wiggle room on Mormonism. Smith made it up.

I don't believe there was ever a "real" Jesus anymore then there was a "real" King Arthur. It seems he may have been a conglomeration of several people that were alive at the time.

In any case..the only known "historian" that vouches for the existence of Jesus is Titus Flavius Josephus. And there is a good deal of "question" how much of that was corrupted by the Christian Church.

Well, that's not true, as he is also mentioned by Tacitus and Suetonius...amongst others.

Not to mention the writers of the Gospels and Epistles.

On the other hand, there is no independent verification of anything in the Book of Mormon.

Tacitus, although he is believed to have been born, around A.D. 56

Suetonius was born in AD 69.


No contemporaneous examples I see

 

[rdean]

Republicans have stopped even caring about the economic mess they created. It's all about taking down the black guy.

It's amazing. They don't even try to hide it. The new T-baggers in the House campaigned on jobs - but the first thing they did was stick their heads up vaginas to restrict female reproductive rights. Truly amazing...

Actually, they campaigned on stopping ObamaCare...

And frankly, how is not funding your life choices "sticking" anything anywhere.

You want birth control pills, buy them yourself.

Yet Republicans support free "Viagra" because lackaboner is a "medical condition".

True story.

 

[Unkotare]

You sound like an Agnostic to me. You say that one of your biggest reasons for not being a Romney voter is because of his religion. Then you go on & say that you're an Atheist. A true Atheist wouldn't split hairs when it comes to religions because they're all equally far- fetched. You shouldn't go @ calling yourself an Atheist. There is a difference.

He's just a bigot with OCD.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You say that one of your biggest reasons for not being a Romney voter is because of his religion.

What’s everyone afraid Romney’s going to do as president per his religion? Baptize every dead person in America? His religion is as goofy as any other religion, it has nothing to do with his qualifications to be president, or lack thereof.

A Romney presidency would be an unmitigated disaster because its Chief Executive is indecisive and inconsistent, having nothing to do with religion.

Bush was a complete and dismal failure. He failed to prevent 9/11. He failed to capture the guy who perpetrated 9/11. He failed to recognize what government was behind 9/11 (Saudi Arabia). He failed to end the 2 wars he started. He failed to pay down the debt. He failed to recognize an looming economic calamity. He failed to keep American alliances strong.

Obama..is the opposite of all that. In a word..success. He killed Bin Laden. He reversed the UE trend. He threw in a couple of more terrorists into the dead pool for good measure.

And all you conservatives can do is scream "failure".

True.

And his failure to end two wars need not be failures had he not started an illegal war.

 

[Zander]

You say that one of your biggest reasons for not being a Romney voter is because of his religion.

What’s everyone afraid Romney’s going to do as president per his religion? Baptize every dead person in America? His religion is as goofy as any other religion, it has nothing to do with his qualifications to be president, or lack thereof.

A Romney presidency would be an unmitigated disaster because its Chief Executive is indecisive and inconsistent, having nothing to do with religion.

Bush was a complete and dismal failure. He failed to prevent 9/11. He failed to capture the guy who perpetrated 9/11. He failed to recognize what government was behind 9/11 (Saudi Arabia). He failed to end the 2 wars he started. He failed to pay down the debt. He failed to recognize an looming economic calamity. He failed to keep American alliances strong.

Obama..is the opposite of all that. In a word..success. He killed Bin Laden. He reversed the UE trend. He threw in a couple of more terrorists into the dead pool for good measure.

And all you conservatives can do is scream "failure".

True.

And his failure to end two wars need not be failures had he not started an illegal war.

I'd take Romney over Obama any day....Obama doesn't know how to LEAD. He's absent.

 

[Dot Com]

If they don't go w/ the flip flopper they have no chance

 

[bigrebnc1775]

According to the RCP average in the poll below president Obama has only a 1.8 spread over Mitt Romney at current.

Ron Paul was the 2nd closest for taking out president Obama, with Obama still at a 6.0 spread over Ron Paul in the RCP poll, which is a SUBSTANTIAL lead.

Newt Gingrich is holding in a CLOSE 3rd place with president Obama leading Newt by a 6.8 spread.

Incredibly, Jon Huntsman held a distant 4th place position with president Obama leading by a whopping 8.7 spread!

It appears at current that the ONLY serious POTUS contender for the GOP is Mitt Romney.

RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates

The polls show Romney & president Obama about in a neck to neck race in 12 swing states...

Poll: Obama rising in key swing states - The Hill's Ballot Box

I will not buy what the establishment is selling I do not want another 4 years of obamush. If Romeny win you with get a republican obama.

 

[JoeB131]

What makes his visions any less preposterous than the others put out by other organized religions? I'll tell you, nothing

YOu mean other than everything he claimed has been disproven?

IF you're an Atheist, as you claimed earlier, the above would amount to what? A hill of beans? His religion should be at the bottom of the list of reasons why you wouldn't vote for him yet you place that non-issue (for a true Atheist anyway) 2nd from the top You aint no Atheist my friend You're an Agnostic IMO. I don't adhere to any organized religion but, from what I've read, the vast majority of people get their religion from their parents as did Romney.

But the problem is, at some point as an adult, he encountered the notion that 1) There were no Hebrews in ancient America and 2) there was no evidence of Smith's claims.

So at some point, he had to make the decision to either a) ignore imperical evidence or b) decide to keep believing bullshit.

I can't disprove Christianity. There was probably a Jesus. I can nitpick at the inconsistencies and I have. I can argue against the supernatural nature of the story and I have. I can even make a philosophical agrument that the stories don't have a very good moral core.

But I can't prove anyone involved was knowingly engaged in fraud.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't believe there was ever a "real" Jesus anymore then there was a "real" King Arthur. It seems he may have been a conglomeration of several people that were alive at the time.

In any case..the only known "historian" that vouches for the existence of Jesus is Titus Flavius Josephus. And there is a good deal of "question" how much of that was corrupted by the Christian Church.

Well, that's not true, as he is also mentioned by Tacitus and Suetonius...amongst others.

Not to mention the writers of the Gospels and Epistles.

On the other hand, there is no independent verification of anything in the Book of Mormon.

Tacitus, although he is believed to have been born, around A.D. 56

Suetonius was born in AD 69.


No contemporaneous examples I see

Not relevent to the point, as these guys wrote about Augustus, Julius Ceasar, Cicero, etc- and are considered the main sources on their lives, even though they were dead long before they were born.

So when they right that there was this Jesus guy and he was responsible for this cult that is really annoying Rome, that would indicate that there was a Jesus guy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So at some point, he had to make the decision to either a) ignore imperical evidence or b) decide to keep believing bullshit.

This is true of every religious person.

 

[JoeB131]

So at some point, he had to make the decision to either a) ignore imperical evidence or b) decide to keep believing bullshit.

This is true of every religious person.

No, it really isn't.

Can you prove their was no Jesus?

I can prove that there were no Hebrews in Ancient America, that the book of Abraham was not what Smith claimed it was, that the Kinderhook tablets were fakes, and so on.

YOu can say, "I don't believe the bible for X reasons", but you can't disprove it. Because things in the bible can be verified independently. People, places and events that we know happened because other sources record them, and the fact that this book goes back 2000+ years.

No, I have no real great love for any religion, but Mormonism offends me just a little bit more because the leaders of that religion - including Romney, because he's a high ranking official in their church - are knowingly continuing the fraud.

 

[Trajan]

if romney does not disavow romney care, I don't think I can vote for him.

 

[JoeB131]

if romney does not disavow romney care, I don't think I can vote for him.

You mean "I promise not to inflict my awesome plan on the whole country" doesn't fly with you?