Rightwingers: what are the key issues that separate the far left from the moderate...

[Mac1958]

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The difference between moderates and wingers is not as much differences on any given issue as it is the intensity and absolutism involved in the approach. Both parties.

Juan Williams and Kirsten Powers are moderate liberals, for example. A majority of lefties here are wingers.

Surely we know this. Was this a trick question, or are we just being obtuse?

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[M14 Shooter]

A moderate view on gun control is the push for background checks

We already have these.
Background checks are based on the fallacy that you can enact a law that will prevent people from breaking the law, and therefore are a restriction on the rights of the law abiding without any discernible benefit - they SOUND good but can do nothing to prevent crime. You either do not know this, or do know it but do not care.
Thus, the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.

You may also mean universal background checks. These are unenforceable and therefore are a restriction on the rights of the law abiding without any discernible benefit - they SOUND good but can do nothing to prevent crime. You either do not know this, or do know it but do not care.
Thus the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.


Which does not exist. You either do not know this, or do know it but do not care.
Thus, the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.

and, perhaps, limiting capacity.

As in magazine capacity?
This too is unenforceable and therefore are a restriction on the rights of the law abiding without any discernible benefit - it SOUNDS good but can do nothing to prevent crime.
Thus, the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.

As I said:
Moderate leftists don't present arguments for gun control based on emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty; I have yet to see a moderate-left argument to that effect.

What we have here is a one issue voter so ensconced in his position that anything reasonable MUST be dismissed with the same excuses he constantly uses.

It's not -MY- fault you cannot stand the fact that you can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[bendog]

I dunno about labels. But, I think Slick had much more faith in transparent markets allocating capital that does Obama. I suspect Hill likewise has less a govt interventionist view than does Warren.

However, a caveat. The far RW believes stuff like the fed govt has no legit role in helping people access healthcare. That view is unelectable. However, that does not mean that Obamacare federally vetted insurance policies or medicare for all are electable, and certainly not that they are efficient.

Thus far "the middle" talks about fixing Obamacare, but with no specifics. But, I suspect the left would compromise with the middle on the basic Krugman notion that "taking" money from those who are benefitting the most from globalization, and using the money NOT TO EQUALIZE INCOMES, but to provide access to healthcare (and secondary education).

That is just dressed-up socialism. Any real centered American would recognize that. What is called for and has been called for is tort reform. Change the laws that have allowed the lottery mentality to prevail and drive up health care costs in the first place.

I rest my case about RWers.

 

[Billy000]

I dunno about labels. But, I think Slick had much more faith in transparent markets allocating capital that does Obama. I suspect Hill likewise has less a govt interventionist view than does Warren.

However, a caveat. The far RW believes stuff like the fed govt has no legit role in helping people access healthcare. That view is unelectable. However, that does not mean that Obamacare federally vetted insurance policies or medicare for all are electable, and certainly not that they are efficient.

Thus far "the middle" talks about fixing Obamacare, but with no specifics. But, I suspect the left would compromise with the middle on the basic Krugman notion that "taking" money from those who are benefitting the most from globalization, and using the money NOT TO EQUALIZE INCOMES, but to provide access to healthcare (and secondary education).

That is just dressed-up socialism. Any real centered American would recognize that. What is called for and has been called for is tort reform. Change the laws that have allowed the lottery mentality to prevail and drive up health care costs in the first place.

I rest my case about RWers.

Yeah they have nothing to offer this thread.

 

[Billy000]

The more accurate question is aimed at hardcore lefties like the one who started this thread... what do you consider to be centered?

Why don't you just answer the question? It isn't hard. It's retarded to say I should answer it first. I asked you first.

 

[Billy000]

The more accurate question is aimed at hardcore lefties like the one who started this thread... what do you consider to be centered?

How is that question more accurate? It's a completely separate question.

 

[rdean]

There is a moderate left now?

After 20 years of disastrous GOP policies, there is no moderate right. At least we can all agree on that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jake Starkey is the voice of the Moderate Left: Death to the Tea Party!!

 

[nodoginnafight]

Really?
Can -you- provide an example of moderate-left view on gun control?
One that does not stem from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty?

A moderate view on gun control is the push for background checks

We already have these.
Background checks are based on the fallacy that you can enact a law that will prevent people from breaking the law, and therefore are a restriction on the rights of the law abiding without any discernible benefit - they SOUND good but can do nothing to prevent crime. You either do not know this, or do know it but do not care.
Thus, the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.

You may also mean universal background checks. These are unenforceable and therefore are a restriction on the rights of the law abiding without any discernible benefit - they SOUND good but can do nothing to prevent crime. You either do not know this, or do know it but do not care.
Thus the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.

closing the the gun show loopholes

Which does not exist. You either do not know this, or do know it but do not care.
Thus, the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.

and, perhaps, limiting capacity.

As in magazine capacity?
This too is unenforceable and therefore are a restriction on the rights of the law abiding without any discernible benefit - it SOUNDS good but can do nothing to prevent crime.
Thus, the argument for them is based on emotion, ignorance or dishonesty.

As I said:
Moderate leftists don't present arguments for gun control based on emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty; I have yet to see a moderate-left argument to that effect.

And here we see the dishonest far right spin on moderate proposals.

 

[blackhawk]

I'm sure the Op can give us examples of the differences between the far and moderate right and please be specific no sweeping generalizations.

 

[ClosedCaption]

m14 entire schtick seems to be call everything emotion, ignorance or dishonesty instead of dealing with the argument he'd rather label them so they are easily dismissed

 

[nodoginnafight]

I'm sure the Op can give us examples of the differences between the far and moderate right and please be specific no sweeping generalizations.

Already did.

Way to pay attention

 

[Spoonman]

There is a moderate left now?

There has always been one.

Then why do they always vote lockstep with the far left?

 

[nodoginnafight]

There is a moderate left now?

There has always been one.

Then why do they always vote lockstep with the far left?

And what makes you think they "vote lockstep"?
Can you show me some numbers to verify that?

 

[blackhawk]

I'm sure the Op can give us examples of the differences between the far and moderate right and please be specific no sweeping generalizations.

Already did.

Way to pay attention

Actually he didn't he gave what he feels is the difference on gun control from the far and moderate left I ask for examples of differences between the far and moderate right. You said something about paying attention.

 

[Jarhead]

The far left makes excuses for every move Obama makes, no matter how unpopular.

The moderates have lost all faith in the man.

 

[Spoonman]

There has always been one.

Then why do they always vote lockstep with the far left?

And what makes you think they "vote lockstep"?
Can you show me some numbers to verify that?

look at any vote for anything being proposed by congress.

 

[Harry Dresden]

There is a moderate left now?

yea there is.....there is also a conservative left.....

 

[Spoonman]

I'm sure the Op can give us examples of the differences between the far and moderate right and please be specific no sweeping generalizations.

Already did.

Way to pay attention

Actually he didn't he gave what he feels is the difference on gun control from the far and moderate left I ask for examples of differences between the far and moderate right. You said something about paying attention.

the only difference on gun control is after pushing for restrictive gun legislation certain members of congress up for reelction heard loud and clear from their voting base if they continued to support it, they would be voted out.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Then why do they always vote lockstep with the far left?

And what makes you think they "vote lockstep"?
Can you show me some numbers to verify that?

look at any vote for anything being proposed by congress.

link please - showing moderate and left "lockstep"