Revive Main Street by Taxing Wall Street

Instead of cutting the federal deficit, put more money into the pockets of average working families by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit to include people earning up to $50,000 per year and reduce their income taxes to $0.

Exempt the first $20,000 from payroll taxes.

Pay 10% on incomes between $50,000 - $90,000/year.
Pay 20% on incomes between $90,000 - $120,000/year.
Pay 30% on incomes between $120,000 - $250,000/year

Make up the missing money by increasing the taxes on those responsible for causing our Great Recession:

"Make up the revenues by increasing taxes on incomes between $250,000 to $500,000 to 40 percent; between $500,000 and $5 million, to 50 percent; between $5 million and $15 million, to 60 percent; and anything over $15 million, to 70 percent.

"And raise the ceiling on the portion of income subject to payroll taxes to $500,000.

"It’s called progressive taxation."

Robert Reich

Robin Hood mentality, take from the evil rich and give to the
poor downtrodden?

So why would anyone WANT to make more money, above $250,000?
No incentive for me.

I'll stay poor and let the OTHER rich guy pay my way to entitlements,
give a aways, and freebies.

You want fair?

Abolish the IRS first. Reduce the tax code to one page, flat
tax, done.
 
It's a dumb idea. The absolute worst taxes are taxes on savings, and this is a tax on savings.

Margins are razor-thin in trading. It costs about a penny to trade a share. All the costs will be passed onto the savers. Intermediaries won't pay a thing.
 
So, we want to tax the hell out our citizens and entrust that same money to congress, WHO, bailed out and gave that money to wall street in the first place? What a deal!!! Where can I NOT sign up.
 
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Instead of cutting the federal deficit, put more money into the pockets of average working families by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit to include people earning up to $50,000 per year and reduce their income taxes to $0.

Exempt the first $20,000 from payroll taxes.

Pay 10% on incomes between $50,000 - $90,000/year.
Pay 20% on incomes between $90,000 - $120,000/year.
Pay 30% on incomes between $120,000 - $250,000/year

Make up the missing money by increasing the taxes on those responsible for causing our Great Recession:

"Make up the revenues by increasing taxes on incomes between $250,000 to $500,000 to 40 percent; between $500,000 and $5 million, to 50 percent; between $5 million and $15 million, to 60 percent; and anything over $15 million, to 70 percent.

"And raise the ceiling on the portion of income subject to payroll taxes to $500,000.

"It’s called progressive taxation."

Robert Reich

Robin Hood mentality, take from the evil rich and give to the
poor downtrodden?

So why would anyone WANT to make more money, above $250,000?
No incentive for me.

I'll stay poor and let the OTHER rich guy pay my way to entitlements,
give a aways, and freebies.

You want fair?

Abolish the IRS first. Reduce the tax code to one page, flat
tax, done.

yeah one pure flat percentage tax on ALL personal incvome with NO deductions.
 
Not equality in outcome, you fucking idiot... equal treatment by government.... something you leftist winger tards love to spout, but not practice

Go play in traffic
If the richest 1% of Americans have increased their share of national income by 2% during the greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression, it is NOT because of "equal treatment by government."

Who gives a shit?? It is a free society (except less so because of the policies supported by your ilk)...

But you, and your ilk, call for equal treatment by government ONLY when it suits you, and you fully support unequal treatment, when it suits you.... I.E. selective equal treatment...

Go up your daily intake of lead by about .357... right thru the palate... you'll do the world a favor and increase the average IQ in your neighborhood
Is your daily lead intake high enough to believe the US economy is still lousy because government's too big?

Are you that suicidal? (and stupid)

Maybe your ilk think cutting heating oil for low income Americans over the next five years will bring more freedom to big American companies sitting on almost $2 trillion in cash because there aren't enough customers to buy additional goods and services.

Shit like you should have been aborted thereby increasing the national IQ and the quality of debate on USMB.
 
The only way people in the USA are going to buy more goods and services is to increase the number of jobs and or increase the wages on existing jobs.
We are a maxed out market.
 
Ummm...Because the derivatives aren't subject to a state sales tax?

Maybe if you were outraged enough over taxes on food clothing enough, to the point that you'd work to get those taxes repealed......:eusa_think:
Taxes on food and clothing didn't bring about the Great Recession. Irresponsible use of derivatives did.
Why shouldn't those who caused the crisis pay to clean it up AND face criminal prosecutions?
 
Yes...Let's tax politicians and bureaucrats at a rate of 90%.
Why Not Speculators?

"July 16 (Bloomberg) -- Why is Congress running away from a financial transactions tax?

"The intensifying struggle on Capitol Hill over revenue, spending and deficits, coupled with the widely felt, reckless behavior of Wall Street, would seem to provide an ideal atmosphere to debate a major source of new income that also helps to restrict rampant speculation.

"A bill to impose such a tax, introduced by Democrat Representatives Peter DeFazio and Peter Welch, is going nowhere.

"Apart from sporadic mentions at various Congressional hearings on the financial meltdown, this levy, with antecedents back to Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War, is a taboo subject."

Because speculators weren't the primary cause of the Financial Crisis.
More so than Social Security or Medicare?
 
It's a dumb idea. The absolute worst taxes are taxes on savings, and this is a tax on savings.

Margins are razor-thin in trading. It costs about a penny to trade a share. All the costs will be passed onto the savers. Intermediaries won't pay a thing.
"In contrast to the more widely discussed value-added tax, which is opposed by most Republicans and Democrats in Congress, the financial transactions tax is simpler to administer, involves a far smaller number of taxpayers, and unlike the recessive, complex VAT, can raise large sums of revenue.

"The U.K. has had a tax on stock trades for decades, mostly collected by brokers.

"The cost of collecting the tax, which is about 0.05 percent of the revenue stream, is one 10th the cost of collecting the income tax, which is 0.7 percent.

"Japan is one of several other countries with financial transaction taxes.

"$353 Billion

"Recently, economists Dean Baker and Robert Pollin estimated that the impost could raise $353 billion annually in the U.S., based on 2008 trading volumes.

"This figure was based on a tax of 0.5 percent on stock trading; 0.01 on bonds for each year to maturity; and a 0.01 percent on trades in swaps for each year of maturity.

"If there is a 25 percent reduction in trading volume, the revenue would be $265 billion annually."

Financial Transaction Tax
 
What product does Wall street produce?
Once the stock is sold by a corporation then all the money from there on out is just made by stock trades which produce nothing except more money for more stock trades.

So mostly Wall Street just produces more money to trade more stock and no real product.
Wall Street Produces Inequity

"There is also the serious matter of equity.

"When people, who pay 6 percent to 8 percent in sales taxes on necessities every day, learn that there is zero sales tax on daily purchases of billions of shares, bonds and derivatives, they understandably get upset.

"It doesn’t matter whether they are conservatives or liberals, or whether it is during normal years on Wall Street or the recent massive collapse and bailout.

"If anything, the political climate for a financial transactions tax has never been better.

"It is time for a robust public initiative to replace the stagnant taboos now plaguing Congress and the White House.

(Ralph Nader is the founder of Public Citizen and author of the book “Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!” The opinions expressed are his own.)"
 
I'm having a hard time swallowing this. How could any honest person actually lobby an idea that would take 50, 60 percent away from someone who has taken a risk ie business, after that person has saved up money, laid every thing on the line, taken a chance, and then is penalized severely by a government that takes that same money and spends frivolously. It's incomprehensible.
Only those taxpayers with incomes over $5 million/$15 million per year would face the 50% and 60% tax bite. That number of taxpayers is statistically insignificant. Especially when compared to the number of taxpayers in foreclosure and on unemployment.

This financial crisis that 90% of us are still living in was not inevitable. In fact many individuals and organizations like the FBI saw it coming years before it actually arrived.

Too big to fail/save is still alive and well on Wall Street.
They will CRASH this economy again.
Republicans AND Democrats will bail them out again.
If we let them.

It's time we stopped borrowing from the rich and started taxing them.
 
Yeah we saw how much risk the finiancial industry takes....
And very little has changed about gauging systemic financial risks.

"The U.S. Senate recently passed to the floor for a full vote Senator Chris Dodd’s (D-Conn) America’s Financial Industry Rehabilitation Act of 2010.

"It contains a provision for the creation of a Financial Research Data Center.

"What this little understood provision represents is a back-door way of admitting garbage in/garbage out, the oldest rubric of the Information Age that is still alive and well and clogging the global financial system.

"That is also what a Federal Reserve governor and assortment of Nobel laureates advised the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs is preventing systemic risk from being detected.

"In simple terms: a lack of quality data is preventing regulators from seeing that which they are mandated to oversee.

"Systemic risk, the latest buzz word to explain the pandemic that caused the financial crisis, is the risk of a system-wide financial crisis caused by the contemporaneous failure of a substantial number of financial institutions, financial markets or both."

Something else that hasn't changed is Republican AND Democratic willingness to blackmail the US taxpayer into bailing out Wall Street the next time their bets go bad.

The Financial Industry
 
Instead of cutting the federal deficit, put more money into the pockets of average working families by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit to include people earning up to $50,000 per year and reduce their income taxes to $0.

Exempt the first $20,000 from payroll taxes.

Pay 10% on incomes between $50,000 - $90,000/year.
Pay 20% on incomes between $90,000 - $120,000/year.
Pay 30% on incomes between $120,000 - $250,000/year

Make up the missing money by increasing the taxes on those responsible for causing our Great Recession:

"Make up the revenues by increasing taxes on incomes between $250,000 to $500,000 to 40 percent; between $500,000 and $5 million, to 50 percent; between $5 million and $15 million, to 60 percent; and anything over $15 million, to 70 percent.

"And raise the ceiling on the portion of income subject to payroll taxes to $500,000.

"It’s called progressive taxation."

Robert Reich

Robin Hood mentality, take from the evil rich and give to the
poor downtrodden?

So why would anyone WANT to make more money, above $250,000?
No incentive for me.

I'll stay poor and let the OTHER rich guy pay my way to entitlements,
give a aways, and freebies.

You want fair?

Abolish the IRS first. Reduce the tax code to one page, flat
tax, done.
Do you prefer a Dooh Nibor (Robin Hood backwards) mentality?

From Phil's Stock World:

"As this chart shows, the US is cranking out multimillionaires at a record pace with super-rich (more than $10M) households doubling in the past decade.

"What’s scary is that doubling the amount of people who have more than $10M per household (from 300K to 600K) means there’s $3,000,000,000,000 less available for the other 98% of the of the households as MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

"Another 5M households gathered up $1M of wealth for another $5T and our nation’s 1,000 Billionaires added another Trillion desperately needed dollars to their household budgets to pay for, according to travel and liesure; Yacht Rentals, Villa Rentals, 'Experimental Excursions', Luxury Cruises, Vacation Home Rentals, Spa Services.. (and have you seen the price of Cristal these days?).

'The cost of the AVERAGE high net worth individual’s summer spending on these luxury items was $1.2M."

Before you claim the high net worth individual has the right to spend her money on any damn thing she pleases, consider the possibility she only has that much money because of campaign bribes paid to Republicans AND Democrats to write tax codes that benefit the richest 1% of Americans at the expense of everyone else.
 
It's a dumb idea. The absolute worst taxes are taxes on savings, and this is a tax on savings.

Margins are razor-thin in trading. It costs about a penny to trade a share. All the costs will be passed onto the savers. Intermediaries won't pay a thing.
"In contrast to the more widely discussed value-added tax, which is opposed by most Republicans and Democrats in Congress, the financial transactions tax is simpler to administer, involves a far smaller number of taxpayers, and unlike the recessive, complex VAT, can raise large sums of revenue.

"The U.K. has had a tax on stock trades for decades, mostly collected by brokers.

"The cost of collecting the tax, which is about 0.05 percent of the revenue stream, is one 10th the cost of collecting the income tax, which is 0.7 percent.

"Japan is one of several other countries with financial transaction taxes.

"$353 Billion

"Recently, economists Dean Baker and Robert Pollin estimated that the impost could raise $353 billion annually in the U.S., based on 2008 trading volumes.

"This figure was based on a tax of 0.5 percent on stock trading; 0.01 on bonds for each year to maturity; and a 0.01 percent on trades in swaps for each year of maturity.

"If there is a 25 percent reduction in trading volume, the revenue would be $265 billion annually."

Financial Transaction Tax

Nader and the economists are smoking dope if they think it will bring in $300 billion in tax revenues. Total profits for all the financial companies in America are expected to be half that this year. The combined profits of capital markets firms, banks and diversified financial services companies are expected to be $100 billion. Yet, somehow these clueless economists expect to raise $300 billion!

In January, 1984, Sweden introduced a 0.5% tax on the purchase or sale of an equity security. Hence a round trip (purchase and sale) transaction resulted in a 1% tax. In July, 1986, the rate was doubled, and in January, 1989, a considerably lower tax of 0.002% on fixed-income securities was introduced for a security with a maturity of 90 days or less. On a bond with a maturity of five years or more, the tax was 0.003%. Analyst Marion G. Wrobel prepared a paper for Canadian Government in July, 2006, examining the international experience with financial transaction taxes, and paying particular attention to the Swedish experience.

The revenues from taxes were disappointing; for example, revenues from the tax on fixed-income securities were initially expected to amount to 1,500 million Swedish kroner per year. They did not amount to more than 80 million Swedish kroner in any year and the average was closer to 50 million.[30] In addition, as taxable trading volumes fell, so did revenues from capital gains taxes, entirely offsetting revenues from the equity transactions tax that had grown to 4,000 million Swedish kroner by 1988.

Financial transaction tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is soooooooo easy to avoid this tax. Just move your trading offshore. I'm sure the Toronto Stock Exchange would just love it if the US implemented a financial transaction tax. It would be just another in a long line of dumb fiscal mistakes this country has made.
 
It's a dumb idea. The absolute worst taxes are taxes on savings, and this is a tax on savings.

Margins are razor-thin in trading. It costs about a penny to trade a share. All the costs will be passed onto the savers. Intermediaries won't pay a thing.
"In contrast to the more widely discussed value-added tax, which is opposed by most Republicans and Democrats in Congress, the financial transactions tax is simpler to administer, involves a far smaller number of taxpayers, and unlike the recessive, complex VAT, can raise large sums of revenue.

"The U.K. has had a tax on stock trades for decades, mostly collected by brokers.

"The cost of collecting the tax, which is about 0.05 percent of the revenue stream, is one 10th the cost of collecting the income tax, which is 0.7 percent.

"Japan is one of several other countries with financial transaction taxes.

"$353 Billion

"Recently, economists Dean Baker and Robert Pollin estimated that the impost could raise $353 billion annually in the U.S., based on 2008 trading volumes.

"This figure was based on a tax of 0.5 percent on stock trading; 0.01 on bonds for each year to maturity; and a 0.01 percent on trades in swaps for each year of maturity.

"If there is a 25 percent reduction in trading volume, the revenue would be $265 billion annually."

Financial Transaction Tax

Nader and the economists are smoking dope if they think it will bring in $300 billion in tax revenues. Total profits for all the financial companies in America are expected to be half that this year. The combined profits of capital markets firms, banks and diversified financial services companies are expected to be $100 billion. Yet, somehow these clueless economists expect to raise $300 billion!

In January, 1984, Sweden introduced a 0.5% tax on the purchase or sale of an equity security. Hence a round trip (purchase and sale) transaction resulted in a 1% tax. In July, 1986, the rate was doubled, and in January, 1989, a considerably lower tax of 0.002% on fixed-income securities was introduced for a security with a maturity of 90 days or less. On a bond with a maturity of five years or more, the tax was 0.003%. Analyst Marion G. Wrobel prepared a paper for Canadian Government in July, 2006, examining the international experience with financial transaction taxes, and paying particular attention to the Swedish experience.

The revenues from taxes were disappointing; for example, revenues from the tax on fixed-income securities were initially expected to amount to 1,500 million Swedish kroner per year. They did not amount to more than 80 million Swedish kroner in any year and the average was closer to 50 million.[30] In addition, as taxable trading volumes fell, so did revenues from capital gains taxes, entirely offsetting revenues from the equity transactions tax that had grown to 4,000 million Swedish kroner by 1988.

Financial transaction tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is soooooooo easy to avoid this tax. Just move your trading offshore. I'm sure the Toronto Stock Exchange would just love it if the US implemented a financial transaction tax. It would be just another in a long line of dumb fiscal mistakes this country has made.
What are these economists smoking?

"In 2009, more than 200 economists from universities, colleges and research centers in our country issued an open letter in support of financial transaction taxes.

"There is also the serious matter of equity.

"When people, who pay 6 percent to 8 percent in sales taxes on necessities every day, learn that there is zero sales tax on daily purchases of billions of shares, bonds and derivatives, they understandably get upset.

"It doesn’t matter whether they are conservatives or liberals, or whether it is during normal years on Wall Street or the recent massive collapse and bailout."

Do you find it credible that the richest 1% of Americans have increased their share of national income by about two percent over the last two years? (~37%-~39%)

Financial Transaction Tax
 
What are these economists smoking?

"In 2009, more than 200 economists from universities, colleges and research centers in our country issued an open letter in support of financial transaction taxes.

"There is also the serious matter of equity.

"When people, who pay 6 percent to 8 percent in sales taxes on necessities every day, learn that there is zero sales tax on daily purchases of billions of shares, bonds and derivatives, they understandably get upset.

"It doesn’t matter whether they are conservatives or liberals, or whether it is during normal years on Wall Street or the recent massive collapse and bailout."

Do you find it credible that the richest 1% of Americans have increased their share of national income by about two percent over the last two years? (~37%-~39%)

Financial Transaction Tax

The fact that a bunch of economists support this doesn't mean a whole lot, considering that most economists couldn't see the housing bubble staring them in the face.

But to give the economists a basic lesson economics, a consumption tax is a tax on consumption, and is one of the least discriminatory tax in that it generally does not discriminate nor favor any particular form of economic activity. This is why economists are generally supportive of consumption taxes.

A transaction tax, however, is a tax on savings. Taxes on savings are usually considered the worst taxes by economists because they destroy the capital stock of the country. They eat the seed capital.

These guys are totally clueless about the modern financial system. Most of the trading today are by machines scalping fractions of a penny. A tax would blow open the spreads, eliminating the scalping and liquidity would disappear, widening spreads further, making trades more expensive for everyone and eliminating the source of revenue the tax is supposed to exploit. But that's not the point. WTF does the stock market have to do with Financial Crisis? The derivatives market can exist wholly outside the United States. Derivatives contracts are usually structured as a limited partnership under Delaware law or as a corporation under Cayman law. You could structure all derivatives contracts outside the United States and the government wouldn't receive a dime.

You unhappy with income distribution? Don't try to solve it by taxing people who had nothing to do with it. This is just typical Leftist class warfare. Thankfully, it won't go anywhere.
 
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