Republicans state your case: why do you think your party cares about the middle class and poor?

[Billy000]

Don't give answers like "well they are better than democrats!" I want actual examples of policies. Convince the rest of us your party cares more about this country than simply catering to their rich donors.

Why do republicans do jack shit about our infrastructure crisis? How about refusing to invest more in public education? You do know, of course, the ONLY way to fix these problems is by raising taxes on the wealthy/corporations. That is where our main source of revenue comes from. Corporate profits and the wealthy class are more powerful than ever before. Why shouldn't we raise their taxes?

In reality it will not harm the economy. Why? Because the shrinking middle class is the driving force of the economy - not the "job creators". These "job creators" depend on consumer spending from the middle class and poor. Shifting most of the tax burden to the wealthy class isn't about what's fair, it's about what's realistic. That is how our economy thrives. Revenue as a percentage of GDP was at 20% in 2000 which was when our economy was thriving. During the recession it was at 15%. How do you explain that?

Reagan economics is a lie. Why do you vote for these scumbags who won't let it go?

Why do you cheer them cutting food stamps - a mere 70 billion per year- yet say nothing about the 100s of billions of revenue dollars they give to corporate welfare?

What have republicans of today ever done for the middle class? Obama is responsible for the biggest middle class tax cut since the Reagan era. Where is your outrage over that?

A little FYI here ........ NEITHER party gives a flying f**k about anyone except their supporters, the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential. The proof to that statement can be seen in the decline of this once great nation over the past 60 years of "The Selling Of America".

Questions?

I agree dems are self-interested at the end of the day, but they still push logical policies even if they also push bad policies.

Their "logical policies" have produced the worst recovery on record, with record levels of gov't dependency. You cannot blame that on Bush after 6 years of recovery.
Another Billy Triple Fail thread.

Why is the biggest boost in job growth since 1999 a bad recovery? We've had consistent job growth since mid 2009. Job growth under Bush was pathetic by comparison.

Job growth is not recovery, Einstein. GDP growth has averaged well under 3% under Obama. Even Bush's economy put in a better showing tham that. NEver mind Reagan's which produced about 6%.

How is job growth not an indication of a recovery? You and I both know you are way too desperate to win an argument.

 

[rdean]

You need to defend Barry's "hope/change" first. The short version is that republicans want to put Americans to work while it's obvious that democrats want to put Americans on the dole. Which is better, a freaking job or three years of unemployment? Now Barry Hussein wants to add another burden on American industry with more emissions restrictions and has shut down most of the coal energy in the U.S. while China is building a coal based energy plant every freaking week.

Put Americans to work doing what? What can you do without education or a good infrastructure?

 

[The Rabbi]

Wtf is an "infrastructure crisis"?

Why would any sane person give MORE funding to public education when they only get progressively worse ever year?

Uh it's bad because it is under funded. The money just needs to be spent intelligently.

Proof its underfunded?

Gee the fact that our country's public education ranks at #18 in the world is a big indicator

No, Billy. Actually it isnt. Funding isnt the issue, as the US spends more per pupil than any other country.
U.S. education spending tops global list study shows - CBS News

See, this is why you are "Billy Triple Fail." Not only do you post troll threads (fail 1), you post misconceptions masquerading as facts (fail 2), and then cannot assimilate actual facts into your worldview, thus repeating the same mistakes over and over (fail 3).

 

[The Rabbi]

A little FYI here ........ NEITHER party gives a flying f**k about anyone except their supporters, the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential. The proof to that statement can be seen in the decline of this once great nation over the past 60 years of "The Selling Of America".

Questions?

I agree dems are self-interested at the end of the day, but they still push logical policies even if they also push bad policies.

Their "logical policies" have produced the worst recovery on record, with record levels of gov't dependency. You cannot blame that on Bush after 6 years of recovery.
Another Billy Triple Fail thread.

Why is the biggest boost in job growth since 1999 a bad recovery? We've had consistent job growth since mid 2009. Job growth under Bush was pathetic by comparison.

Job growth is not recovery, Einstein. GDP growth has averaged well under 3% under Obama. Even Bush's economy put in a better showing tham that. NEver mind Reagan's which produced about 6%.

How is job growth not an indication of a recovery? You and I both know you are way too desperate to win an argument.

Recovery and recession are measured by GDP growth, Billy. Really!

 

[sakinago]

Don't give answers like "well they are better than democrats!" I want actual examples of policies. Convince the rest of us your party cares more about this country than simply catering to their rich donors.

Why do republicans do jack shit about our infrastructure crisis? How about refusing to invest more in public education? You do know, of course, the ONLY way to fix these problems is by raising taxes on the wealthy/corporations. That is where our main source of revenue comes from. Corporate profits and the wealthy class are more powerful than ever before. Why shouldn't we raise their taxes?

In reality it will not harm the economy. Why? Because the shrinking middle class is the driving force of the economy - not the "job creators". These "job creators" depend on consumer spending from the middle class and poor. Shifting most of the tax burden to the wealthy class isn't about what's fair, it's about what's realistic. That is how our economy thrives. Revenue as a percentage of GDP was at 20% in 2000 which was when our economy was thriving. During the recession it was at 15%. How do you explain that?

Reagan economics is a lie. Why do you vote for these scumbags who won't let it go?

Why do you cheer them cutting food stamps - a mere 70 billion per year- yet say nothing about the 100s of billions of revenue dollars they give to corporate welfare?

What have republicans of today ever done for the middle class? Obama is responsible for the biggest middle class tax cut since the Reagan era. Where is your outrage over that?

A little FYI here ........ NEITHER party gives a flying f**k about anyone except their supporters, the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential. The proof to that statement can be seen in the decline of this once great nation over the past 60 years of "The Selling Of America".

Questions?

I agree dems are self-interested at the end of the day, but they still push logical policies even if they also push bad policies.

No they are not logical policies, are people out of jobs because they are not interested in low wages? What happens when you raise the minimum wage? Are companies going to higher more? No, in fact they will fire more people in entry level jobs, and then raise prices on their services or products. Who is that good for?? This happens every time the minimum wage is raised.

And wow raising taxes didn't bring us out of a recession? I wonder why that happened. And why is it so much industry is moving to Texas (which makes up about half of the current economic growth)? Could it be because their taxes are low? I think so. Why does are tax code allow so many loopholes, and why haven't the politicians fixed it?

If your saying that republicans only care about the rich, that might be so for some or even most, but the same goes for democrats, and most of the time that help doesn't come through tax breaks...it all depends on who their biggest donors are. They will help those businesses/donors etc. But lowering taxes for EVERYBODY, it will only help. Look no further than the Kennedy tax plan and how much that helped jump start the economy. He added the equivalent to What would be 50,000 jobs per week. You should stop saying it's just the republicans and them helping cut taxes for the rich, bc most of the time it isn't true. How about a tax plan, flat tax for personal and corporate of say 14.5 percent, but here's the kicker you do not get taxed on your first 50,000, and the only write offs are your mortgage and for charity. Please respond with your concerns to that and maybe we can have an actual non-propagandized conversation.

Tell us more about the flat tax. Specifically such as major countries that have converted to it and have done well by it.

Most recently Russia, economy grew 10% first 2 years and continues to grow more than the us, despite all the turbulence with foreign policy. That did not mean less money going to the govt either, they gained 50 percent in tax revenues. More money for people to play with and spend, more money business can grow and make money, hiring more people, and allowing more people to spend money, etc.

I like the flat bc we all are equal and therefore should be treated as such. Unlike the class warfare 100 year old graduated income tax policy, with plenty of gaps for people with real money to fall through

 

[Socialist]

I agree dems are self-interested at the end of the day, but they still push logical policies even if they also push bad policies.

Their "logical policies" have produced the worst recovery on record, with record levels of gov't dependency. You cannot blame that on Bush after 6 years of recovery.
Another Billy Triple Fail thread.

Why is the biggest boost in job growth since 1999 a bad recovery? We've had consistent job growth since mid 2009. Job growth under Bush was pathetic by comparison.

Job growth is not recovery, Einstein. GDP growth has averaged well under 3% under Obama. Even Bush's economy put in a better showing tham that. NEver mind Reagan's which produced about 6%.

How is job growth not an indication of a recovery? You and I both know you are way too desperate to win an argument.

Recovery and recession are measured by GDP growth, Billy. Really!

If GDP is a measure of success, then the USSR was amazing. LOL.

 

[The Rabbi]

Their "logical policies" have produced the worst recovery on record, with record levels of gov't dependency. You cannot blame that on Bush after 6 years of recovery.
Another Billy Triple Fail thread.

Why is the biggest boost in job growth since 1999 a bad recovery? We've had consistent job growth since mid 2009. Job growth under Bush was pathetic by comparison.

Job growth is not recovery, Einstein. GDP growth has averaged well under 3% under Obama. Even Bush's economy put in a better showing tham that. NEver mind Reagan's which produced about 6%.

How is job growth not an indication of a recovery? You and I both know you are way too desperate to win an argument.

Recovery and recession are measured by GDP growth, Billy. Really!

If GDP is a measure of success, then the USSR was amazing. LOL.

I see you are reading challenged.
GDP growth is a measure of recovery and recession.

 

[rdean]

Don't give answers like "well they are better than democrats!" I want actual examples of policies. Convince the rest of us your party cares more about this country than simply catering to their rich donors.

Why do republicans do jack shit about our infrastructure crisis? How about refusing to invest more in public education? You do know, of course, the ONLY way to fix these problems is by raising taxes on the wealthy/corporations. That is where our main source of revenue comes from. Corporate profits and the wealthy class are more powerful than ever before. Why shouldn't we raise their taxes?

In reality it will not harm the economy. Why? Because the shrinking middle class is the driving force of the economy - not the "job creators". These "job creators" depend on consumer spending from the middle class and poor. Shifting most of the tax burden to the wealthy class isn't about what's fair, it's about what's realistic. That is how our economy thrives. Revenue as a percentage of GDP was at 20% in 2000 which was when our economy was thriving. During the recession it was at 15%. How do you explain that?

Reagan economics is a lie. Why do you vote for these scumbags who won't let it go?

Why do you cheer them cutting food stamps - a mere 70 billion per year- yet say nothing about the 100s of billions of revenue dollars they give to corporate welfare?

What have republicans of today ever done for the middle class? Obama is responsible for the biggest middle class tax cut since the Reagan era. Where is your outrage over that?

A little FYI here ........ NEITHER party gives a flying f**k about anyone except their supporters, the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential. The proof to that statement can be seen in the decline of this once great nation over the past 60 years of "The Selling Of America".

Questions?

I agree dems are self-interested at the end of the day, but they still push logical policies even if they also push bad policies.

An example of the "logical policies" would be?

For Democrats, it would be invest in infrastructure, R&D and education. Proven winners.

For Republicans, it would be let him die. A good shout out at GOP presidential debates.

Speculation? Guesses? Anything solid that's already in the works?

Obama has stood in front of bridges that need repair to highlight failing US infrastructure.
You know how behind are railroads and airports are.
You know our roads are full of potholes. Republicans can't even pass a fucking highway bill.
Obama has won a number of cases in the WTO protecting American industry.

WTO Backs U.S. in Tire Dispute With China - WSJ

WTO hands Obama victory in U.S.-China steel case Reuters

White Republicans hate Obama so much, they will never give him credit for anything, ever!

Obama wants to make Jr. College free and universal. We know that many companies set up apprentice programs at Jr. College and even invest in them trying to get qualified workers. Transferable credits would lower the cost of college overall. No company will put a million dollar piece of equipment into the hands of someone not qualified.

Obama took the student loan program away from the banks who were getting 6 billion a year from the government managing the program. That 6 billion now goes back into education, loans and grants. Republicans have vowed to turn that boondoggle back over to the banks. Because the banks charge the government, there is no risk to giving out those loans. That makes it a give a way to the banks.

Entrepreneurs love Obamacare for obvious reasons.

Obamacare Is An Entrepreneur s Best Friend

Why Obamacare Is Good for Entrepreneurs - NationalJournal.com

It's pitiful how little Republicans know about their party. Just an ignorant mess.

 

[Billy000]

Wtf is an "infrastructure crisis"?

Why would any sane person give MORE funding to public education when they only get progressively worse ever year?

Uh it's bad because it is under funded. The money just needs to be spent intelligently.

Proof its underfunded?

Gee the fact that our country's public education ranks at #18 in the world is a big indicator

No, Billy. Actually it isnt. Funding isnt the issue, as the US spends more per pupil than any other country.
U.S. education spending tops global list study shows - CBS News

See, this is why you are "Billy Triple Fail." Not only do you post troll threads (fail 1), you post misconceptions masquerading as facts (fail 2), and then cannot assimilate actual facts into your worldview, thus repeating the same mistakes over and over (fail 3).

You dumbass i was referring to school performance not spending. We obviously spend a lot in education because of our population.

 

[rdean]

Don't give answers like "well they are better than democrats!" I want actual examples of policies. Convince the rest of us your party cares more about this country than simply catering to their rich donors.

Why do republicans do jack shit about our infrastructure crisis? How about refusing to invest more in public education? You do know, of course, the ONLY way to fix these problems is by raising taxes on the wealthy/corporations. That is where our main source of revenue comes from. Corporate profits and the wealthy class are more powerful than ever before. Why shouldn't we raise their taxes?

In reality it will not harm the economy. Why? Because the shrinking middle class is the driving force of the economy - not the "job creators". These "job creators" depend on consumer spending from the middle class and poor. Shifting most of the tax burden to the wealthy class isn't about what's fair, it's about what's realistic. That is how our economy thrives. Revenue as a percentage of GDP was at 20% in 2000 which was when our economy was thriving. During the recession it was at 15%. How do you explain that?

Reagan economics is a lie. Why do you vote for these scumbags who won't let it go?

Why do you cheer them cutting food stamps - a mere 70 billion per year- yet say nothing about the 100s of billions of revenue dollars they give to corporate welfare?

What have republicans of today ever done for the middle class? Obama is responsible for the biggest middle class tax cut since the Reagan era. Where is your outrage over that?

A little FYI here ........ NEITHER party gives a flying f**k about anyone except their supporters, the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential. The proof to that statement can be seen in the decline of this once great nation over the past 60 years of "The Selling Of America".

Questions?

I agree dems are self-interested at the end of the day, but they still push logical policies even if they also push bad policies.

No they are not logical policies, are people out of jobs because they are not interested in low wages? What happens when you raise the minimum wage? Are companies going to higher more? No, in fact they will fire more people in entry level jobs, and then raise prices on their services or products. Who is that good for?? This happens every time the minimum wage is raised.

And wow raising taxes didn't bring us out of a recession? I wonder why that happened. And why is it so much industry is moving to Texas (which makes up about half of the current economic growth)? Could it be because their taxes are low? I think so. Why does are tax code allow so many loopholes, and why haven't the politicians fixed it?

If your saying that republicans only care about the rich, that might be so for some or even most, but the same goes for democrats, and most of the time that help doesn't come through tax breaks...it all depends on who their biggest donors are. They will help those businesses/donors etc. But lowering taxes for EVERYBODY, it will only help. Look no further than the Kennedy tax plan and how much that helped jump start the economy. He added the equivalent to What would be 50,000 jobs per week. You should stop saying it's just the republicans and them helping cut taxes for the rich, bc most of the time it isn't true. How about a tax plan, flat tax for personal and corporate of say 14.5 percent, but here's the kicker you do not get taxed on your first 50,000, and the only write offs are your mortgage and for charity. Please respond with your concerns to that and maybe we can have an actual non-propagandized conversation.

Tell us more about the flat tax. Specifically such as major countries that have converted to it and have done well by it.

Most recently Russia, economy grew 10% first 2 years and continues to grow more than the us, despite all the turbulence with foreign policy. That did not mean less money going to the govt either, they gained 50 percent in tax revenues. More money for people to play with and spend, more money business can grow and make money, hiring more people, and allowing more people to spend money, etc.

I like the flat bc we all are equal and therefore should be treated as such. Unlike the class warfare 100 year old graduated income tax policy, with plenty of gaps for people with real money to fall through

World Bank sees protracted recession in Russia Reuters

Russia in Full Crisis to Kudrin Forecasting Longer Recession - Bloomberg Business

Republicans always admire Russian and Chinese economy. Why don't they move there?

 

[The Rabbi]

Wtf is an "infrastructure crisis"?

Why would any sane person give MORE funding to public education when they only get progressively worse ever year?

Uh it's bad because it is under funded. The money just needs to be spent intelligently.

Proof its underfunded?

Gee the fact that our country's public education ranks at #18 in the world is a big indicator

No, Billy. Actually it isnt. Funding isnt the issue, as the US spends more per pupil than any other country.
U.S. education spending tops global list study shows - CBS News

See, this is why you are "Billy Triple Fail." Not only do you post troll threads (fail 1), you post misconceptions masquerading as facts (fail 2), and then cannot assimilate actual facts into your worldview, thus repeating the same mistakes over and over (fail 3).

You dumbass i was referring to school performance not spending. We obviously spend a lot in education because of our population.

Then you agree schools are not underfunded, and your claim that we are not spending enough is wrong. Right?

 

[Billy000]

Uh it's bad because it is under funded. The money just needs to be spent intelligently.

Proof its underfunded?

Gee the fact that our country's public education ranks at #18 in the world is a big indicator

No, Billy. Actually it isnt. Funding isnt the issue, as the US spends more per pupil than any other country.
U.S. education spending tops global list study shows - CBS News

See, this is why you are "Billy Triple Fail." Not only do you post troll threads (fail 1), you post misconceptions masquerading as facts (fail 2), and then cannot assimilate actual facts into your worldview, thus repeating the same mistakes over and over (fail 3).

You dumbass i was referring to school performance not spending. We obviously spend a lot in education because of our population.

Then you agree schools are not underfunded, and your claim that we are not spending enough is wrong. Right?

No as I said to CF, the funds are not properly utilized.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Don't give answers like "well they are better than democrats!" I want actual examples of policies. Convince the rest of us your party cares more about this country than simply catering to their rich donors.

Why do republicans do jack shit about our infrastructure crisis? How about refusing to invest more in public education? You do know, of course, the ONLY way to fix these problems is by raising taxes on the wealthy/corporations. That is where our main source of revenue comes from. Corporate profits and the wealthy class are more powerful than ever before. Why shouldn't we raise their taxes?

In reality it will not harm the economy. Why? Because the shrinking middle class is the driving force of the economy - not the "job creators". These "job creators" depend on consumer spending from the middle class and poor. Shifting most of the tax burden to the wealthy class isn't about what's fair, it's about what's realistic. That is how our economy thrives. Revenue as a percentage of GDP was at 20% in 2000 which was when our economy was thriving. During the recession it was at 15%. How do you explain that?

Reagan economics is a lie. Why do you vote for these scumbags who won't let it go?

Why do you cheer them cutting food stamps - a mere 70 billion per year- yet say nothing about the 100s of billions of revenue dollars they give to corporate welfare?

What have republicans of today ever done for the middle class? Obama is responsible for the biggest middle class tax cut since the Reagan era. Where is your outrage over that?

What infrastructure crisis?
If states are neglecting their roads and bridges, it is due to politics.
For example....In NC they collect 39.2 cents for every gallon of gasoline sold and 47.8 cents for every gallon of diesel sold in the state.
One of the highest state fuel taxes in the nation. Yet, for decades, the Raleigh has told us "there's no money for that project"....And they are told, "the money has been spent elsewhere"....State law mandates that all fuel taxes are to be used for roads and bridges only. Yet slick and powerful entrenched politicians make back room deals to siphon off road money.....
Reagan economics?....Never heard of it...If you're referring to "Reaganomics"....Where is the "lie"?
Public education? Are you kidding? As any taxpayer in the country, especially blue states, to see their property tax bills. Most of which goes to....wait for it....PUBLIC SCHOOLS..
Corporations...Sheesh.. The US Corp tax rate is 35%....How much is appropriate?...
The federal govt could tax every wealthy person at 100% and the effect would be at best negligible.
You are simply referring to taxation as a means of punishment. So cut the bullshit.
Once again. The top 20% of all who earn a living are responsible for well over 70% pf the total federal and state tax burden. Again I ask, how much is appropriate?
Why is it you lefties look to government to solve your problems?
Well documented inside the Beltway is a severe spending problem. The federal government takes in plenty of revenue. And without cutting spending, increasing taxes won't solve the problem. In fact increasing tax rates will in the short term increase revenue, but long term revenue flow always suffers.
Sorry to burst your socialist utopia bubble, but increased revenue is a net result from a healthy and growing economy.
A government cannot continue to spend at a current, and according to base line budgeting regulations regarding non discretionary spending, levels in a waning economy and expect to have enough left over for non discretionary spending. The fat has to be cut and it should be cut permanently. But that will never happen. There are too many federal jobs which House and Senate members use as a tool to get reelected.....
Do you really think a House member of a district that has a major government contractor in his or her district is going to allow their budget to be cut?...Stop it..
The problem is political interests getting placed ahead of fiscal necessities. Meanwhile you uninformed finger wagging hand wringing libs keep screeching for more and higher taxes.

 

[thereisnospoon]

More people are out of work and on welfare since O took office. Perhaps you should explain why this has happened under a democrat.

Labor participation is below 70%.....That is horrible....Obama economy,

 

[The Rabbi]

Proof its underfunded?

Gee the fact that our country's public education ranks at #18 in the world is a big indicator

No, Billy. Actually it isnt. Funding isnt the issue, as the US spends more per pupil than any other country.
U.S. education spending tops global list study shows - CBS News

See, this is why you are "Billy Triple Fail." Not only do you post troll threads (fail 1), you post misconceptions masquerading as facts (fail 2), and then cannot assimilate actual facts into your worldview, thus repeating the same mistakes over and over (fail 3).

You dumbass i was referring to school performance not spending. We obviously spend a lot in education because of our population.

Then you agree schools are not underfunded, and your claim that we are not spending enough is wrong. Right?

No as I said to CF, the funds are not properly utilized.

Actually you also said it was underfunded.
You understand that "underfunded" means we arent spending enough, right? Or are you using the word in some way that no one else in history ever did?

 

[kaz]

Don't give answers like "well they are better than democrats!"

Why is it you get to assign a higher bar to clear than the Democrats do?

 

[The Rabbi]

Don't give answers like "well they are better than democrats!"

Why is it you get to assign a higher bar to clear than the Democrats do?

Its his thread. He can do what he wants. And he'll still fail. Just like he failed when he obviously did not know what "underfunded" meant.

 

[ScienceRocks]

More people are out of work and on welfare since O took office. Perhaps you should explain why this has happened under a democrat.

Labor participation is below 70%.....That is horrible....Obama economy,

Yet, the fucking 1% keeps offshoring industry to china even as they make record profit.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Uh it's bad because it is under funded. The money just needs to be spent intelligently.

Proof its underfunded?

Gee the fact that our country's public education ranks at #18 in the world is a big indicator

No, Billy. Actually it isnt. Funding isnt the issue, as the US spends more per pupil than any other country.
U.S. education spending tops global list study shows - CBS News

See, this is why you are "Billy Triple Fail." Not only do you post troll threads (fail 1), you post misconceptions masquerading as facts (fail 2), and then cannot assimilate actual facts into your worldview, thus repeating the same mistakes over and over (fail 3).

You dumbass i was referring to school performance not spending. We obviously spend a lot in education because of our population.

Then you agree schools are not underfunded, and your claim that we are not spending enough is wrong. Right?

We need reform! Will your party reform or will you screw over the poor and do nothing.

 

[thereisnospoon]

More people are out of work and on welfare since O took office. Perhaps you should explain why this has happened under a democrat.

He inherited the biggest recession since the Great Depression. The main reason why people are discouraged from finding a job is how low wages are. He tried to fix this problem by raising the minimum wage. Why not blame the job creators for this problem? They are wealthier now than ever before.

Your response is predictable. I ask about republicans and you bring up Obama. Typical.

Nope...You're going to have to let go of the side of the pool now....The Bush thing no longer applies. Obama has had plenty of time to ram through his polices. He's used EO's like candy. He had two solid years of a dem majority in the House and Senate. He had Harry Reid doing his bidding by saying "no" to every single piece of GOP scribed legislation. Shut the GOP out of negotiations, etc....Don't spew this shit about Obama inheriting anything. That's a crock of shit.
Obama on his own cannot determine wages.
The min wage has nothing to do with the low labor participation rate.
Look, every one of your posts and threads are the same theme. Ypu spew the same boring liberal talking points. Not once have to used an unbiased and collaborative link on which to base any of your claims.
IN other words, you're a shrill for the far left and quite frankly full of shit.