Republicans have this strange double speak about socialism and how it is defined

[Billy000]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

No, Comrade Billy, they aren't socialist countries and it isn't normal Americans who try to put lipstick on that "free" stuff pig but rather life's losers who just can't come to grips with what it is and how it destroys economies and people:

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Lol okay if they are not socialist and Bernie is modeling their policies how is Bernie a socialist?

 

[night_son]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Bernie is a “Democratic Socialist”

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside a socially owned economy, with an emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic institutions within a market or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.

 

[Dragonlady]

Scandinavian countries are homogenous in race and taught to work to contribute to the social safety net from birth.

Not entitled taking from the safety net provided by the working hands of others as in this country.

Agreed.

Having a shared identity is the only way to maintain a sustainable social safety net.

And a social safety net is NOT socialism.

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I thought you were smarter than this. A social safety net is the DEFINITION of socialism Free market capitalism requires the abolition of all social safety net programs as a drag on capitalism.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Here's clue idiot. Every country teaches their children to work and contribute to the social safety net. Except in the USA, the poor people, who are predominently non whites, are excluded. The USA is one of only two countries in the world which spends LESS money on educating the children of the poor, than the children of the rich.

I thought k-12 is free? Is it not?

For example, in Norway, they spend MORE money on education for the children of the poor than the rich. They know that education is the key to escaping poverty. In the USA, the children of the poor get the least assistance to escape poverty.

What a bunch of bullshit. We throw so much money at education, they nearly have their own bank. In Texas, the have their own fucking taxes.

European countries have majority white populations, just like the USA. Same with Canada. The world is multi-cultural. Japan and China are the closest thing there is to a homogenous, cultures, and that's because they don't allow non-Asian immigration.

Are you sitting here telling me that the people of Norway or Denmark or Sweden do NOT have a common identity as opposed to _____-Americans or ______-Americans?

Your own ilk created the conditions necessary to NOT have a homogeneous society in America. YOU CAUSED IT!!!

"Homogenous Culture" is a lie conservatives tell to convince others that it would never work in the US. Just like they lie and say the rest of the world has substandard health care to justify a for profit system that gets worse every year. No 37 and sinking like a stone, while in excess of 40,000 people a year die in the USA because of inadequate access to health care.

ummkay. Thanks. Bye.

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[SAYIT]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

No, Comrade Billy, they aren't socialist countries and it isn't normal Americans who try to put lipstick on that "free" stuff pig but rather life's losers who just can't come to grips with what it is and how it destroys economies and people:

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Lol okay if they are not socialist and Bernie is modeling their policies how is Bernie a socialist?

Ask Bernie. He proudly admits he's a lifelong socialist. I just provided you with the dictionary definition that you so regularly and adamantly reject.

Thing is socialism is a pig and the lipstick you liberally apply doesn't change that.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I thought you were smarter than this. A social safety net is the DEFINITION of socialism Free market capitalism requires the abolition of all social safety net programs as a drag on capitalism.

Safety net has become a hammock.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

Slavery has been around for 10,000 years, shit for brains.

 

[daveman]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

Dude you’re dumb. The Scandinavian countries are not Socialist. They are indeed very homogeneous well sans Sweden until most recently and how is that working out for Sweden?

Uh no they are socialist. Either way, Bernie’s platform is based off Nordic policies.

Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs

The ignorance of this word knows no bounds. Of course they are socialist. It doesn’t matter if the economy is private. That’s what you aren’t getting. Either way, in reference to that region, Bernie just says we should be more like them in regards to their social policies. He isn’t talking about replacing our free market system. It doesn’t matter if you want to call that socialism or not.

They know more about their own economy than either you or Bernie does. You would do well not to listen to him; he's an idiot.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I thought you were smarter than this. A social safety net is the DEFINITION of socialism Free market capitalism requires the abolition of all social safety net programs as a drag on capitalism.

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production and distribution.

"Social safety nets" are not socialism, as it is properly defined. They are authoritarian government overreach, but that does not make them socialism. But, yes. Both require involuntary compliance under threat of deadly force. To that extent, they are the same.

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[bripat9643]

Scandinavian countries are homogenous in race and taught to work to contribute to the social safety net from birth.

Not entitled taking from the safety net provided by the working hands of others as in this country.

Agreed.

Having a shared identity is the only way to maintain a sustainable social safety net.

And a social safety net is NOT socialism.

.

I thought you were smarter than this. A social safety net is the DEFINITION of socialism Free market capitalism requires the abolition of all social safety net programs as a drag on capitalism.

Wrong. Government control of productive enterprises is socialism.

 

[Billy000]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

No, Comrade Billy, they aren't socialist countries and it isn't normal Americans who try to put lipstick on that "free" stuff pig but rather life's losers who just can't come to grips with what it is and how it destroys economies and people:

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Lol okay if they are not socialist and Bernie is modeling their policies how is Bernie a socialist?

Ask Bernie. He proudly admits he's a lifelong socialist. I just provided you with the dictionary definition that you so regularly and adamantly reject.

Thing is socialism is a pig and the lipstick you liberally apply doesn't change that.

Lol what is that source even from? Granted Marxism is a form of socialism, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t different types. You do get that right? I love how your definition even includes wording about community ownership. Tax payers are that community.

 

[georgephillip]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

Are you ignorant of logical connection between Capitalism and slavery?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

 

[SAYIT]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

No, Comrade Billy, they aren't socialist countries and it isn't normal Americans who try to put lipstick on that "free" stuff pig but rather life's losers who just can't come to grips with what it is and how it destroys economies and people:

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Lol okay if they are not socialist and Bernie is modeling their policies how is Bernie a socialist?

Ask Bernie. He proudly admits he's a lifelong socialist. I just provided you with the dictionary definition that you so regularly and adamantly reject.

Thing is socialism is a pig and the lipstick you liberally apply doesn't change that.

Lol what is that source even from? Granted Marxism is a form of socialism, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t different types. You do get that right? I love how your definition even includes wording about community ownership. Tax payers are that community.

Americans build our private assets of production, Comrade Billy, not the community, and it's those builders who create the jobs and wealth that have made our economy the envy of every socialist shithole - no matter what you call them - on the planet.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

Are you ignorant of logical connection between Capitalism and slavery?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

This may come as a surprise to you, but both slavery and capitalism are way older than America.

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[night_son]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

Are you ignorant of logical connection between Capitalism and slavery?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

Allow me to bait and switch as you have done in this thread, from socialism to slavery. Are you aware of the connection between socio-communism and more than one hundred million dead by the democide perpetrated by such governments? That being said, bought and sold, locked in chains and forced to harvest crops is one thing; murdered en masse by your own communist government is quite another level of "treatment" indeed. While we're on the subject of baiting, switching and capitalism, what about the mass marketing of abortion to minority expectant mothers?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Forced socialism IS slavery.

 

[blackhawk]

Socialism only benefits those in charge and allows them to control the rest of the population. Those in power and those who help them keep power the police and military get the rewards the rest of the population gets subjugated.

 

[francoHFW]

Scandinavian countries are homogenous in race and taught to work to contribute to the social safety net from birth.

Not entitled taking from the safety net provided by the working hands of others as in this country.

So you are a racist who believes certain races are inferior? Got it.

 

[francoHFW]

Scandinavian countries are homogenous in race and taught to work to contribute to the social safety net from birth.

Not entitled taking from the safety net provided by the working hands of others as in this country.

Agreed.

Having a shared identity is the only way to maintain a sustainable social safety net.

And a social safety net is NOT socialism.

.

I thought you were smarter than this. A social safety net is the DEFINITION of socialism Free market capitalism requires the abolition of all social safety net programs as a drag on capitalism.

Wrong. Government control of productive enterprises is socialism.

Like in Canada where they have all the benefits and a safety net? So many brainwashed functional morons so little time.