Related To The School Shooting....

[PoliticalChic]

In many ways it supports the view that rather than the lessons distilled over millennia, most of which we find in the religious texts, the stronger Leftism....Liberalism becomes.....the less individuals have a sense of responsibility to others, and to their society.


I've always felt that the perq of being a Liberal is that you can formulate your own morality....Charles Murray writes about it:

'One change in societal attitude has been the “ecumenical niceness”…don’t fight, share toys, take turns….and never, ever be judgmental. As a result, the upper cultural class, which has stabilized by returning to more traditional ways, survives, yet these individuals will not criticize the behaviors which are destroying the lower cultural class.'

The main fault I have with liberalism is their expectation that agency should look after the poor and those in need. People need to look after people--and people need people--not a government agency--to care about them. People recognize and appreciate the energy spent by people lending them a hand. It appears all the feeling many get from an agency is that feeling of "entitlement." The other problem is that while many may draw the line at ripping off someone they know, they have no qualms about conning the government.

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

Why would you think that????


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”

Then what's the collection plate for? Blow?

OK...I'll go over this verrrrrrry slowly:


Under Liberalism/Socialism, property is confiscated from some to give to others.It is based on coercion, force.


There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.


God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor are confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.

Not only is the idea of 'socialism' an absolute corruption of the message of the Bible....but the service to others, to customers, provided to accomplish the voluntary transactions that are an inherent part of capitalism is more in accord with Judeo-Christian values than is socialism/Liberalism.


QED: there is no religious defense for socialism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In many ways it supports the view that rather than the lessons distilled over millennia, most of which we find in the religious texts, the stronger Leftism....Liberalism becomes.....the less individuals have a sense of responsibility to others, and to their society.


I've always felt that the perq of being a Liberal is that you can formulate your own morality....Charles Murray writes about it:

'One change in societal attitude has been the “ecumenical niceness”…don’t fight, share toys, take turns….and never, ever be judgmental. As a result, the upper cultural class, which has stabilized by returning to more traditional ways, survives, yet these individuals will not criticize the behaviors which are destroying the lower cultural class.'

The main fault I have with liberalism is their expectation that agency should look after the poor and those in need. People need to look after people--and people need people--not a government agency--to care about them. People recognize and appreciate the energy spent by people lending them a hand. It appears all the feeling many get from an agency is that feeling of "entitlement." The other problem is that while many may draw the line at ripping off someone they know, they have no qualms about conning the government.

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)



There is only one explanation for the welfare scheme today.....to accrue votes.

You know that....don't you?

Yes, I agree. Let poor people starve on the street corner and see if I care.

Please stop tossing around Liberal memes...

There has never, at any time, been 'poor people starving in the street.'


"According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

...seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –



They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.



Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."



How many people in the US starved to death during the Great Depression?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Taz]

In many ways it supports the view that rather than the lessons distilled over millennia, most of which we find in the religious texts, the stronger Leftism....Liberalism becomes.....the less individuals have a sense of responsibility to others, and to their society.


I've always felt that the perq of being a Liberal is that you can formulate your own morality....Charles Murray writes about it:

'One change in societal attitude has been the “ecumenical niceness”…don’t fight, share toys, take turns….and never, ever be judgmental. As a result, the upper cultural class, which has stabilized by returning to more traditional ways, survives, yet these individuals will not criticize the behaviors which are destroying the lower cultural class.'

The main fault I have with liberalism is their expectation that agency should look after the poor and those in need. People need to look after people--and people need people--not a government agency--to care about them. People recognize and appreciate the energy spent by people lending them a hand. It appears all the feeling many get from an agency is that feeling of "entitlement." The other problem is that while many may draw the line at ripping off someone they know, they have no qualms about conning the government.

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

Why would you think that????


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”

Then what's the collection plate for? Blow?

OK...I'll go over this verrrrrrry slowly:


Under Liberalism/Socialism, property is confiscated from some to give to others.It is based on coercion, force.


There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.


God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor are confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.

Not only is the idea of 'socialism' an absolute corruption of the message of the Bible....but the service to others, to customers, provided to accomplish the voluntary transactions that are an inherent part of capitalism is more in accord with Judeo-Christian values than is socialism/Liberalism.


QED: there is no religious defense for socialism.

C'mon, you're sitting in church and the collection plate comes around. You don't really have free will, everyone is looking at you, including God, and you feel the peer pressure and toss in a few bucks. Don't you?

And hey, sounds like Jesus was a Democrat. Too bad for you.

 

[Taz]

In many ways it supports the view that rather than the lessons distilled over millennia, most of which we find in the religious texts, the stronger Leftism....Liberalism becomes.....the less individuals have a sense of responsibility to others, and to their society.


I've always felt that the perq of being a Liberal is that you can formulate your own morality....Charles Murray writes about it:

'One change in societal attitude has been the “ecumenical niceness”…don’t fight, share toys, take turns….and never, ever be judgmental. As a result, the upper cultural class, which has stabilized by returning to more traditional ways, survives, yet these individuals will not criticize the behaviors which are destroying the lower cultural class.'

The main fault I have with liberalism is their expectation that agency should look after the poor and those in need. People need to look after people--and people need people--not a government agency--to care about them. People recognize and appreciate the energy spent by people lending them a hand. It appears all the feeling many get from an agency is that feeling of "entitlement." The other problem is that while many may draw the line at ripping off someone they know, they have no qualms about conning the government.

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)



There is only one explanation for the welfare scheme today.....to accrue votes.

You know that....don't you?

Yes, I agree. Let poor people starve on the street corner and see if I care.

Please stop tossing around Liberal memes...

There has never, at any time, been 'poor people starving in the street.'


"According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

...seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –



They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.



Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."



How many people in the US starved to death during the Great Depression?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So as long as they don't starve on the ACTUAL street, you don't really care if they starve, amirite or AMIRITE??

 

[PoliticalChic]

The main fault I have with liberalism is their expectation that agency should look after the poor and those in need. People need to look after people--and people need people--not a government agency--to care about them. People recognize and appreciate the energy spent by people lending them a hand. It appears all the feeling many get from an agency is that feeling of "entitlement." The other problem is that while many may draw the line at ripping off someone they know, they have no qualms about conning the government.

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

Why would you think that????


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”

Then what's the collection plate for? Blow?

OK...I'll go over this verrrrrrry slowly:


Under Liberalism/Socialism, property is confiscated from some to give to others.It is based on coercion, force.


There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.


God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor are confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.

Not only is the idea of 'socialism' an absolute corruption of the message of the Bible....but the service to others, to customers, provided to accomplish the voluntary transactions that are an inherent part of capitalism is more in accord with Judeo-Christian values than is socialism/Liberalism.


QED: there is no religious defense for socialism.

C'mon, you're sitting in church and the collection plate comes around. You don't really have free will, everyone is looking at you, including God, and you feel the peer pressure and toss in a few bucks. Don't you?

And hey, sounds like Jesus was a Democrat. Too bad for you.

"C'mon," is the strongest argument you can make????

Really?


Government school grad?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The main fault I have with liberalism is their expectation that agency should look after the poor and those in need. People need to look after people--and people need people--not a government agency--to care about them. People recognize and appreciate the energy spent by people lending them a hand. It appears all the feeling many get from an agency is that feeling of "entitlement." The other problem is that while many may draw the line at ripping off someone they know, they have no qualms about conning the government.

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)



There is only one explanation for the welfare scheme today.....to accrue votes.

You know that....don't you?

Yes, I agree. Let poor people starve on the street corner and see if I care.

Please stop tossing around Liberal memes...

There has never, at any time, been 'poor people starving in the street.'


"According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

...seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –



They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.



Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."



How many people in the US starved to death during the Great Depression?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So as long as they don't starve on the ACTUAL street, you don't really care if they starve, amirite or AMIRITE??

Can't you read????


There has never been any starvation.

1. As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

2. ".... 96 percent of poor parents say that their children were never hungry at any time in the preceding year because they could not afford food." https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf

and

The Unfinished Work of Welfare Reform



Now cease being a dunce.....forthwith.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I should point out that all the benefit provides for those receiving same are

a. the lack of any necessity to work

b. get a still larger flat screen TV

 

[Meriweather]

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

How do they do this?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The school shooting is about criminals.....the sorts that Liberals/Democrats align themselves with.....



8. Leftism is the eternal enemy of morality and religion.
Values and attitudes are far more important than education.


a. Lenin was a lawyer.
Lenin was born Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, April 22, 1870….In 1891 he passed the law examinations at the University of St. Petersburg as an external student, scoring first in his class. He practiced law briefly in Samara before devoting himself to the revolutionary movement. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin), 1870-1924


b. Mao was a teacher
Mao was a rebellious teen-ager. His father wanted him to be a farmer; Mao wanted more education beyond the village grammar school. Mao left home at age 13 to attend an advanced school in a nearby district and in 1911 arrived in Changsha, the provincial capital, to attend secondary school…. He tried law enforcement, business and history before settling on education, graduating from a teachers' training school in 1918. He departed for Beijing to attend the university. CNN In-Depth Specials - Visions of China - Profiles: Mao Tse-tung



c. Pol Pot was an engineer
Pol Pot, was the leader of the Cambodian communist movement known as the Khmer Rouge[3] and was Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea from 1976–1979. Pol Pot's leadership, in which he attempted to "cleanse" the country, resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1.7–2.5 million people…. he qualified for a scholarship that allowed for technical study in France. He studied radio electronics at the EFR in Paris from 1949 to 1953 Pol Pot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


d. "Radovan Karadzic, the former Bosnian Serb leader, was found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity during the 1992-95 Bosnian war.
The atrocities during the war have been described as the worst crimes committed in Europe since World War Two.
One count of genocide related to the massacre of more than 7,500 Muslim men and boys in the Srebrenica enclave in July 1995...

§ 1968: Publishes collection of poetry

§ 1971: Graduates in medicine

§ 1983: Becomes team psychologist for Red Star Belgrade football club

§ 1990: Becomes president of Serbian Democratic Party

Profile: Radovan Karadzic



Did I mention that Democrats align themselves with this sort?

“White House Christmas Decor Featuring Mao Zedong Comes Under Fire” White House Christmas Decor Featuring Mao Zedong Comes Under Fire
Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world.


Why is it that Liberals see these as their heroes?

 

[Taz]

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

Why would you think that????


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”

Then what's the collection plate for? Blow?

OK...I'll go over this verrrrrrry slowly:


Under Liberalism/Socialism, property is confiscated from some to give to others.It is based on coercion, force.


There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.


God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor are confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.

Not only is the idea of 'socialism' an absolute corruption of the message of the Bible....but the service to others, to customers, provided to accomplish the voluntary transactions that are an inherent part of capitalism is more in accord with Judeo-Christian values than is socialism/Liberalism.


QED: there is no religious defense for socialism.

C'mon, you're sitting in church and the collection plate comes around. You don't really have free will, everyone is looking at you, including God, and you feel the peer pressure and toss in a few bucks. Don't you?

And hey, sounds like Jesus was a Democrat. Too bad for you.

"C'mon," is the strongest argument you can make????

Really?


Government school grad?

You obviously couldn't grasp what came after that.

Private schooling all the way through college.

 

[Taz]

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)



There is only one explanation for the welfare scheme today.....to accrue votes.

You know that....don't you?

Yes, I agree. Let poor people starve on the street corner and see if I care.

Please stop tossing around Liberal memes...

There has never, at any time, been 'poor people starving in the street.'


"According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

...seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –



They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.



Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."



How many people in the US starved to death during the Great Depression?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So as long as they don't starve on the ACTUAL street, you don't really care if they starve, amirite or AMIRITE??

Can't you read????


There has never been any starvation.

1. As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

2. ".... 96 percent of poor parents say that their children were never hungry at any time in the preceding year because they could not afford food." https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf

and

The Unfinished Work of Welfare Reform



Now cease being a dunce.....forthwith.

Ya, but you wouldn't care if poor people starved, amitire or AMIRITE???

 

[Taz]

I thought god and jesus looked after poor people.

How do they do this?

The collection plate?

 

[Meriweather]

God and Jesus pass a collection plate? How?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why would you think that????


...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”

Then what's the collection plate for? Blow?

OK...I'll go over this verrrrrrry slowly:


Under Liberalism/Socialism, property is confiscated from some to give to others.It is based on coercion, force.


There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.


God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor are confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.

Not only is the idea of 'socialism' an absolute corruption of the message of the Bible....but the service to others, to customers, provided to accomplish the voluntary transactions that are an inherent part of capitalism is more in accord with Judeo-Christian values than is socialism/Liberalism.


QED: there is no religious defense for socialism.

C'mon, you're sitting in church and the collection plate comes around. You don't really have free will, everyone is looking at you, including God, and you feel the peer pressure and toss in a few bucks. Don't you?

And hey, sounds like Jesus was a Democrat. Too bad for you.

"C'mon," is the strongest argument you can make????

Really?


Government school grad?

You obviously couldn't grasp what came after that.

Private schooling all the way through college.

Send 'em a copy of your posts in this thread....you'll get your tuition back.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)



There is only one explanation for the welfare scheme today.....to accrue votes.

You know that....don't you?

Yes, I agree. Let poor people starve on the street corner and see if I care.

Please stop tossing around Liberal memes...

There has never, at any time, been 'poor people starving in the street.'


"According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

...seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –



They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.



Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."



How many people in the US starved to death during the Great Depression?

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So as long as they don't starve on the ACTUAL street, you don't really care if they starve, amirite or AMIRITE??

Can't you read????


There has never been any starvation.

1. As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

2. ".... 96 percent of poor parents say that their children were never hungry at any time in the preceding year because they could not afford food." https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf

and

The Unfinished Work of Welfare Reform



Now cease being a dunce.....forthwith.

Ya, but you wouldn't care if poor people starved, amitire or AMIRITE???

Actually...you're a dunce


I sense that I give more charity than you....amitire or AMIRITE???

 

[skye]

Fact is, that cog-in-the-wheel view is necessary for military victory.

6. OK....but what if we are not in a war? What is the basis for decision-making by individuals in a civilized society?

How does religion get to be the arbiter?


"The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible to that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.”

It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden."
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."



By driving religion out of our schools, the Left has made room for a very different perspective.

Japan has no gun violence. I like wherever their wisdom came from.

Switzerland has no gun violence either.

And everybody owns a gun.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Fact is, that cog-in-the-wheel view is necessary for military victory.

6. OK....but what if we are not in a war? What is the basis for decision-making by individuals in a civilized society?

How does religion get to be the arbiter?


"The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible to that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.”

It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden."
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."



By driving religion out of our schools, the Left has made room for a very different perspective.

Japan has no gun violence. I like wherever their wisdom came from.

Switzerland has no gun violence either.

And everybody owns a gun.

I will gladly support the U.S. adopting Switzerland's gun policy anytime

 

[WinterBorn]

Fact is, that cog-in-the-wheel view is necessary for military victory.

6. OK....but what if we are not in a war? What is the basis for decision-making by individuals in a civilized society?

How does religion get to be the arbiter?


"The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible to that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.”

It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden."
David Mamet, "The Secret Knowledge."



By driving religion out of our schools, the Left has made room for a very different perspective.

Is this just a long winded way of repeating that "Since we kicked God out of schools, He can't protect the children" nonsense?

 

[Votto]

...perhaps.

Or.....perhaps..... to Evil.

While there is overwhelming evidence that the psychiatric drugs prescribed by school counselors and psychologists is a major cause of the ideation needed for these mass shootings, evil is a necessary component, as well.

Not all individuals are susceptible to hypnosis...., perhaps the same is true for committing evil acts.

And....is there ever an excuse for same?



1. In fact....that is the aim of 'evil,' to cause good folks to do evil. Whether one attributes that to the personification of evil, Lucifer/Satan, or simply call it a force, like gravity, that influences all of us at one time or another....it exists.
Problem is, much of the time...maybe all of the time....when people do evil things, they- and those attempting to explain the act- have the capacity to rationalize them as a mistake, an error, or no other choice.

Fact: the human mind cannot be relied on to be objective: we find a way to justify doing what we want to do, or what redounds to our benefit.



2. Some acts are so evil that there is no way to pretend otherwise.
But....for the majority of evil actions, we are often able to find some way to excuse the act, so it will not to weigh heavily on our conscience.
Such as this: "Guns cause mass shootings."

No they don't.
The lack of morality, of the sort of standards built into the Judeo-Christian faith at the heart of this nation's founding causes evil acts.
And there is one party, one perspective, that abhors religion, advances some subjective view of morality, that should be held responsible.




3. “I was a rifleman toward the end of the war, and my squad was moving out in advance of the American lines–in a no-man’s-land. We came to a small river, and we captured eight Germans there. They were little more than kids, 16 or 17 years old. We had a dilemma. We were very far from our lines. We couldn’t take them prisoner and bring them back to our own people. The country was too dangerous, and we had our assignment. And we could not let them go.

We made them turn their back and face the river. Then we went down the row and shot each of them in the back of the head… Funny, they were so obedient. Germans! They just stood there in the line and waited their turn to be shot.”
Lance Morrow, "Evil: An Investigation," p. 74-75




Assume arguendo, that the soldier was a decent person....how to get past that act of execution?

"....it doesn’t really bother me. We had seen so much. Our friends had died, we’d seen them blown up, dying in all sorts of horrible ways. This was something we had to do and we did it.”
Ibid.




4. In the film "The Fury," almost the same scene:







What was the choice? Was there an alternative? Is this one of those times when evil has to be excused?

Or.....what would you do?

Dims don't view this act as evil, and I'm sure don't want the death penalty for the person that did it. For you see, Dims only support killing when it comes to innocent unborn babies.

There is no one evil except Trump.

Now there are evil acts such as owning a gun or building a wall or not recycling, but all of that is Trump's fault.

 

[Penelope]

Yes people do evil things, but there is no reason we need to have assault weapons, people only need to have pistols to defend oneself , so if you want to shoot an assault weapon join the military.

Also ask yourself why so many military vets have PTSD, they have done things and seen things that haunt them, those who go in wanting to fight, its like a high they get, re-enlist. So we have many different types of mass shooters, but they are usually white males that are citizens.

"Yes people do evil things,..."


OK.....the witness is dismissed.


You should read the rest of this thread....it may just teach you a great deal.

I doubt I could learn anything from you.