Rectal feeding by the CIA in torture scandal

[irosie91]

I wonder when swim will disclose the nature of the invasive
medical procedures he did in a hospital ------without the
supervision of a physician or surgeon-----whilst in under graduate
school---------uhm......... splenectomies?

 

[SwimExpert]

An invasive procedure is anything involving entry into the body, including puncture or cutting of the skin, or entry through anatomically present openings. Examples include -

--Insertion of a catheter
--Enema
--Injection
--Blood draw

 

[irosie91]

An invasive procedure is anything involving entry into the body, including puncture or cutting of the skin, or entry through anatomically present openings. Examples include -

--Insertion of a catheter
--Enema
--Injection
--Blood draw

not invasive procedures-----nurses can do it-----students can do it----the only people who cannot do it are patients suffering from
schizophrenia. I did those as a student too.-------even a non student can be trained to be a phlebotomist----(blood draw)----
you can get a little certificate and go to people's homes to get
blood-----with an order from a doctor. So you worked as a kind of AIDE------very nice job -------anyone can do an enema-----
some people do them on themselves ----weird but true

as to catheter-----depends on what kind of catheter-----urinary catheter----YES------but not a catheter for establishing a CENTRAL LINE. Did you ever insert a naso gastric tube?

 

[SwimExpert]

not invasive procedures

Yes they are.

nurses can do it-----students can do it

Exactly, which blows your BS right out of the water.

I did those as a student too.

Now you're just lying. You have no education on any of this, you're just making shit up off the top of your head. Anyone who has had any kind of training in health care knows what an invasive procedure is.

What is an Invasive Procedure by Melody St. John Sciences 360

Did you ever insert a naso gastric tube?

Yes.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Who knew the CIA was into so much ass play?

 

[irosie91]

not invasive procedures

Yes they are.

nurses can do it-----students can do it

Exactly, which blows your BS right out of the water.

I did those as a student too.

Now you're just lying. You have no education on any of this, you're just making shit up off the top of your head. Anyone who has had any kind of training in health care knows what an invasive procedure is.

What is an Invasive Procedure by Melody St. John Sciences 360

Did you ever insert a naso gastric tube?

Yes.

right----it's not an invasive procedure. Have you ever done
a BONE MARROW??? that is the withdrawal of a sample of bone marrow----from either the sternum or the iliac crest for testing purposes...??? PS----you have no training in health care but I do-------my mother does not----she administered enemas------sometimes -----on my brothers as infants----I refused. She inserted rectal thermometers--------she forced fed me----using a spoon

 

[irosie91]

Who knew the CIA was into so much ass play?

they probably are not---------

 

[Siete]

Who knew the CIA was into so much ass play?

Cheney.

 

[georgephillip]

bullshit-------of course---that is what people like you say
about nasogastric tubes

"Other detainees were subjected to 'mock burials,' and were kept in small boxes in which they were unable to move for hours at a time.

"One prisoner, Gul Rahman, was forced to take 'ice water baths' and was then 'held partially nude and chained to a concrete floor' until he died of hypothermia.

"One of the officers responsible for Rahman’s death was then given a 'cash award' of $2,500 by the CIA for his 'constantly superior work.'

"According to the report summary, 'CIA officers also threatened at least three detainees with harm to their families—to include threats to harm the children of a detainee, threats to sexually abuse the mother of a detainee, and a threat to ‘cut [a detainee’s] mother’s throat.'

Does that sound kosher?

Brutal torture detailed in Senate report on CIA interrogation - World Socialist Web Site

It sounds to me like they were EMULATING AL NABI----
do you know what "kus emak" means? I would be
very surprised if that slur was NOT thrown at the guards
dozens of times every day-------if one of the guards finally
threw it back--------well----sounds like something that would
happen in any county jail in the USA.

Long ago I treated a cook-----she worked in one of the large
jails in my city-------she told me she joked all the time with
the prisoners and told them she urinated in the soup-----
(well ---she said "pissed" ) -------you have never visited a
jail? I have never treated a handcuffed person who
did not insist he had been BRUTALLY BRUTALIZED

"The report summary details how the CIA hired two doctors, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen (identified in the report by the pseudonyms, Grayson Swigert and Hammond Dunbar), to develop a method of torture whereby prisoners could be reduced to a state of physical and mental devastation.

"The doctors based their recommendations on the theory of 'learned helplessness,’ in which individuals might become passive and depressed in response to adverse or uncontrollable events.'

"According to the report summary, Mitchell and Jessen 'received $81 million' from the CIA for their services.

"Moreover, 'in 2007, the CIA provided a multi-year indemnification agreement to protect [Swigert and Dunbar’s company] and its employees from legal liability arising out of the program.'”

Brutal torture detailed in Senate report on CIA interrogation - World Socialist Web Site

Yeah? that's what incarceration is------helplessness-----people are LOCKED up-----and told what to do and when to do it-----
they are helpless.--------it makes them depressed. There are
THOUSANDS OF STUDIES on helplessness------ever learn about the EXECUTIVE MONKEY experiments?. These theories have been batted around for a very long time------I heard about the in undergraduate school----long before I declared a major---
general liberal arts person. Of course ----incarceration itself is
TORTURE----what else is new?

"At least 26 prisoners are acknowledged to have been held without any basis whatsoever. One of these prisoners was an 'intellectually challenged' person 'whose CIA detention was used solely as leverage to get a family member to provide information.'

"The report summary enumerates dozens of occasions when high-ranking CIA officials lied to Congress and the public. In the course of a single hearing to the Senate Intelligence Committee on April 12, 2007, then-CIA Director Michael Hayden lied about a total of 17 subjects related to the torture programs.

"The report summary also contains very revealing information about the relationship between the CIA and the corporate media."

Brutal torture detailed in Senate report on CIA interrogation - World Socialist Web Site

 

[RKMBrown]

In one of the most disturbing revelations in the newly released Senate report on the CIA’s “enhanced interrogation” program, the CIA was found to have used “rectal feeding” and rectal rehydration to impose their will on detainees.

CIA Used Rectal Feeding As Part Of Torture Program - BuzzFeed News

oh that's funny...

So let me get this straight. Detainee refuses to drink, on hunger strike. Instead of forcing fluids with an IV they force fluid recovery "rectally."

ROFL that's funny.

 

[irosie91]

In one of the most disturbing revelations in the newly released Senate report on the CIA’s “enhanced interrogation” program, the CIA was found to have used “rectal feeding” and rectal rehydration to impose their will on detainees.

CIA Used Rectal Feeding As Part Of Torture Program - BuzzFeed News

oh that's funny...

So let me get this straight. Detainee refuses to drink, on hunger strike. Instead of forcing fluids with an IV they force fluid recovery "rectally."

ROFL that's funny.

it happens to be a well recognized and very useful and safe way
to rehydrate a person-------and has been used for decades----it is
life saving in severe dysentery secondary to cholera in India----
the infusion consists of sugar and electrolyte solutions ------sorry but true------ (right coyote ---another rosie "story") The entire
gastrointestinal tract absorbs water and sugar and electrolyes----
in fact so does the mucosa of the urogenital system. which also absorbs ALCOHOL and-----various other intoxicants -----don't
try it at home (although many people have) It is a lot more comfortable than a NASO GASTRIC TUBE------swim has inserted such tubes and can describe how much patients hate them. In fact the insertion of naso gastric tubes has been described as TORTURE by people interested in making assertions about PRISON TORTURE. Such insertions are NOT INVASIVE PROCEDURES-------catheterization of the heart is
an INVASIVE PROCEDURE---------even a simply Lumbar puncture----the procedure students can do is sorta considered
an invasive procedure------because it is------but it cannot be done
by just anyone-----medical students can do them but a licensed person has to sorta supervise

 

[SwimExpert]

you have no training in health care but I do

 

[SaltyNutz]

In one of the most disturbing revelations in the newly released Senate report on the CIA’s “enhanced interrogation” program, the CIA was found to have used “rectal feeding” and rectal rehydration to impose their will on detainees.

CIA Used Rectal Feeding As Part Of Torture Program - BuzzFeed News

You should appreciate how far our heroes went to defend the American way. Do you want to stick your hand up a killer muslims ass? It can't be clean, have you ever seen a restroom in the Middle East...it is worse than Mexico.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

it happens to be a well recognized and very useful and safe way
to rehydrate a person-------and has been used for decades---

When are you going to volunteer for the procedure to demonstrate for everyone how useful and safe it is?

 

[irosie91]

you have no training in health care but I do

want to compare credentials DOCTOR SPOCK???----btw----did they let you do sutures too? also not an invasive procedure---
ie SKIN sutures-------you do not get to do liver lacerations all by yourself as an under graduate student------if you did-----do not tell---they may charge the doctor with a crime

 

[irosie91]

it happens to be a well recognized and very useful and safe way
to rehydrate a person-------and has been used for decades---

When you going to volunteer for the procedure to demonstrate for everyone how useful and safe it is?

I am not dehydrated or doing a hunger strike Rectal infusion is life-saving in cholera patients--------if you cannot use your noodle---use your google. DOCTOR SPOCK.

 

[SwimExpert]

want to compare credentials DOCTOR SPOCK???

 

[Interpol]

All that effort, all that money, all those "enhanced interrogation techniques" and still not one Neo-con fuck can give us just ONE example of it working to give us ACTIONABLE intelligence.

Let's waterboard Dick Cheney 183 times and see if that changes his mind on whether it's torture or not.

The excuse that bad guys do bad things to us does not warrant us acting like savages in return.

Bush and Cheney could have put most of these people through the courts and either jailed them or put them on death row. But no, they had to do the stupidest shit ever and now we can't even try most of these people in court because the "enhanced interrogation techniques" would cause not only mistrials but counter lawsuits. They also didn't bother to collect evidence or do any of the things established by our already existing laws.

Obama should pardon the both of them so they can suck on the condemnation that what they did was worthy of criminal charges.

 

[irosie91]

All that effort, all that money, all those "enhanced interrogation techniques" and still not one Neo-con fuck can give us just ONE example of it working to give us ACTIONABLE intelligence.

Let's waterboard Dick Cheney 183 times and see if that changes his mind on whether it's torture or not.

The excuse that bad guys do bad things to us does not warrant us acting like savages in return.

Bush and Cheney could have put most of these people through the courts and either jailed them or put them on death row. But no, they had to do the stupidest shit ever and now we can't even try most of these people in court because the "enhanced interrogation techniques" would cause not only mistrials but counter lawsuits. They also didn't bother to collect evidence or do any of the things established by our already existing laws.

Obama should pardon the both of them so they can suck on the condemnation that what they did was worthy of criminal charges.

I do agree------shooting the pigs in the field is probably a far
better deterent

 

[SaltyNutz]

All that effort, all that money, all those "enhanced interrogation techniques" and still not one Neo-con fuck can give us just ONE example of it working to give us ACTIONABLE intelligence.

Let's waterboard Dick Cheney 183 times and see if that changes his mind on whether it's torture or not.

The excuse that bad guys do bad things to us does not warrant us acting like savages in return.

Bush and Cheney could have put most of these people through the courts and either jailed them or put them on death row. But no, they had to do the stupidest shit ever and now we can't even try most of these people in court because the "enhanced interrogation techniques" would cause not only mistrials but counter lawsuits. They also didn't bother to collect evidence or do any of the things established by our already existing laws.

Obama should pardon the both of them so they can suck on the condemnation that what they did was worthy of criminal charges.

I do agree------shooting the pigs in the field is probably a far
better deterent

We have shot many of them...they come back like cockroaches. Personally, after we tortured them, we should have televised burying their bodies in pig carcasses.