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  1. midcan5
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    midcan5 liberal / progressive

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    While I am not a religious person, I am glad to see Christians who live a faith that resembles Christianity at its best and that respects life and the earth.

    "My Personal ‘Faith Priorities’ for this Election" by Jim Wallis

    "In 2004, several conservative Catholic bishops and a few megachurch pastors like Rick Warren issued their list of "non-negotiables," which were intended to be a voter guide for their followers. All of them were relatively the same list of issues: abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, etc. None of them even included the word "poverty," only one example of the missing issues which are found quite clearly in the Bible. All of them were also relatively the same as official Republican Party Web sites of "non-negotiables." The political connections and commitments of the religious non-negotiable writers were quite clear.

    I want to suggest a different approach this year and share my personal list of "faith priorities" that will guide me in making the imperfect choices that always confront us in any election year — and suggest that each of you come up with your own list of "faith" or "moral" priorities for this election year and take them into the voting booth with you.

    After the last election, I wrote a book titled God’s Politics. I was criticized by some for presuming to speak for God, but that wasn’t the point. I was trying to explore what issues might be closest to the heart of God and how they may be quite different from what many strident religious voices were then saying. I was also saying that "God’s Politics" will often turn our partisan politics upside down, transcend our ideological categories of Left and Right, and challenge the core values and priorities of our political culture. I was also trying to say that there is certainly no easy jump from God’s politics to either the Republicans or Democrats. God is neither. In any election we face imperfect choices, but our choices should reflect the things we believe God cares about if we are people of faith, and our own moral sensibilities if we are not people of faith. Therefore, people of faith, and all of us, should be "values voters" but vote all our values, not just a few that can be easily manipulated for the benefit of one party or another.

    In 2008, the kingdom of God is not on the ballot in any of the 50 states as far as I can see. So we can’t vote for that this year. But there are important choices in this year’s election — very important choices — which will dramatically impact what many in the religious community and outside of it call "the common good," and the outcome could be very important, perhaps even more so than in many recent electoral contests.

    I am in no position to tell anyone what is "non-negotiable," and neither is any bishop or megachurch pastor, but let me tell you the "faith priorities" and values I will be voting on this year:

    1. With more than 2,000 verses in the Bible about how we treat the poor and oppressed, I will examine the record, plans, policies, and promises made by the candidates on what they will do to overcome the scandal of extreme global poverty and the shame of such unnecessary domestic poverty in the richest nation in the world. Such a central theme of the Bible simply cannot be ignored at election time, as too many Christians have done for years. And any solution to the economic crisis that simply bails out the rich, and even the middle class, but ignores those at the bottom should simply be unacceptable to people of faith."

    The rest here:

    God's Politics: A Blog by Jim Wallis & Friends
     
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    Who are the real Christians? I say the fundamentalists are what someone looks like when they live strictly by the book.

    They go to church every week.

    Do you think a real Christian is pro choice?

    I think the real Christians think being gay is a sin.

    They wait to be married. How many so called Christians can say they waited?

    The ones that tell the rest of us we’re going to hell. Those are the real Christians not the nice ones. The nice ones aren’t even doing it right
     
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    Meriweather Not all who wander are lost

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    The last thing any "real" Christian should want to do is turn over what is their responsibility to the government and call themselves good. People, not government bureaucracy, should take care of people. For the government to take this opportunity to help others from its citizens is to take part of their souls. We build an environment where everyone grows up personally tending to those in need, not shrugging this duty over to the establishment.

    Everyone is better off when we work to help those in need instead of spending our time growing the government.
     
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    Agree. Government doesn't take care of people for humanitarian reasons, but for political purposes.
     
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    There is nothing that can be done about poverty. Jesus said that the poor would always be with us. Also, it's not the government's job to do anything about it. Everything they've tried hasn't worked, or made the problem worse. It should be handled at the local level.
     
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    No doubt your source will lie like a Jew. There's nothing in the Bible about Christians running charities for the poor. On the country, the Bible says the lazy should go hungry. And, the Bible gives very strict guidelines on what poor the Christians should help: old widows who are virtuous and help out the church.

    It's immoral and unchristian to subsidize poor people who are poor because of their own immoral choices.
     
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    Yep. If you don't work, you don't eat. Seems fair to me. And if you are able to work, but can't there is family and charities to fall back on. Government should have no role whatsoever in supporting people. They only take from those who work and give it to someone else. That's called theft.
     
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    The only people in the US that even come close to living as a 'Christian' are the Amish.

    Every other religion has churches that look like Palaces built for Saddam Hussein, in cities and towns where the homeless go hungry every night. They aren't Christians.
     
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    Agreed.

    This is called the principle of subsidiarity and it is the only effective way to ennoble the human spirit.
     
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    That would be a superficial examination.

    At the heart of Christianity is a personal relationship with God. How do you examine that?
     
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