GoneBezerk
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I recall Reagan fired all the UNION air traffic controllers that went on strike.....shut the fuck up.
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So.... Whats your point? Everyone has the right to form a union here, Now in MI we have the right not to be forced to join a union....Lech Walesa supported Romney not Obama
Are you lying or are you uninformed?
The people of Michigan have always had the right NOT to be forced to join a union.
What percentage of workers innMichigan are, in fact, union members? Was this number 100% before their butthurt GOP legislators fucked them?
If it was a union shop you had to be in the union to work there , if there was no union of course you wouldn't have to be in a union...moron
There should be a right to join a union. And a right not to join a union and if you don't join a union, you shouldn't have to pay union dues.
There should be a right to join a union. And a right not to join a union and if you don't join a union, you shouldn't have to pay union dues.
Non union members do not pay union dues. They pay an agency fee. There is a difference. Please learn the facts.
The dummy was building a strawman... PratchettFan knows nobody said that.
No, but I am not surprised you would hide behind that argument. When I was in school I went looking for a job. I was offered one but it required I join a union. I turned it down because I don't want to join a union. I had the right to not join and the employer had the right to run their business how they saw fit.
You are supporting the idea that the government should step in and tell businesses what kind of labor agreements they can negotiate and how they will run their hiring practices. Explain to me how that is not socialism.
You need to educate yourself on the right to work states... you dont realize it, but you support "right to work".
Texas has unions as well.... and it is a "right to work" state.
Thanks for trying.
If it was a union shop you had to be in the union to work there , if there was no union of course you wouldn't have to be in a union...moron
True. But the decision as to whether or not to be a union shop was not made by the union, it was made by the business. There was no law requiring the business be a union shop. So now the government is telling the business how they must operate.
I notice in your tag line you have a quote from Reagan about a limited government. How does this fit in with that quote?
No, that is actually false. Such decisions are not simply made by the business because the workers have the right to unionize. That right is protected by laws and businesses HAVE to respect that right. Such negotiations are NOT one sided. The business simply does not decide to be a closed shop. The union demands that as a condition and the businesses usually have to bend.
In that regard, the unions have special considerations under the law that gives them this power. Right to work states have simply went the other direction here. No longer does the union have the ability to demand that all future workers need to pay or join the union. I can guarantee that NO business has decided to be a closed shop because they want to. They do that because it is part of the agreement that the government has coerced them into with union legal protection.
With that said, the unions (really the workers) NEED those protections or companies would threaten and fire people when they unionized BUT that should not allow those agreements to force future workers into the contracts if they choose not to participate.
So far, not one person that is against right to work can give me a real reason that you should be forced to pay an entity that you do not want to be a part of. There is no other way to express this than servitude. It is not socialism to reign BACK some of the legal protections that unions have garnered over the years. Indeed, it needs to happen.
I recall Reagan fired all the UNION air traffic controllers that went on strike.....shut the fuck up.
There should be a right to join a union. And a right not to join a union and if you don't join a union, you shouldn't have to pay union dues.
Non union members do not pay union dues. They pay an agency fee. There is a difference. Please learn the facts.
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Reagan: "the most elemental human rightsthe right to belong to a free trade union...
Ronald Reagan-Address to the Nation on Christmas and the Situation in Poland (December 23, 1981) - YouTube
Ronald Reagan-Address to the Nation on Christmas and the Situation in Poland (December 23, 1981) - YouTube
President Reagan discusses the tragic events that have occurred in Poland at the hands of the Polish government, which he suspects is influenced by the Soviet Union. He warns the Polish government of severe consequences if they should continue to disregard the human rights of its citizens.
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You still have the right to join a union, and now people have the right NOT to join a union, and that's just busting yer chops. Makes me happy that you have busted chops. And remember when you cite Reagan, he's the dude that fired the entire union of ATC.. hilarious huh?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JSToyiyr8"]1981 Reagan fires air traffic controllers - YouTube[/ame]
Has anyone said people don't have a right to join a union if they chose to?
There should be a right to join a union. And a right not to join a union and if you don't join a union, you shouldn't have to pay union dues.
Non union members do not pay union dues. They pay an agency fee. There is a difference. Please learn the facts.
Are you saying that the MI Republican Legislature wrote a provision into their Right To Work For Less law mandating an Agency Fee?
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Reagan was an actor.
He didn't have his own thoughts; he just read what his handlers put in front of him and made it sound convincing.
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Reagan: "the most elemental human rightsthe right to belong to a free trade union...
Ronald Reagan-Address to the Nation on Christmas and the Situation in Poland (December 23, 1981) - YouTube
Ronald Reagan-Address to the Nation on Christmas and the Situation in Poland (December 23, 1981) - YouTube
President Reagan discusses the tragic events that have occurred in Poland at the hands of the Polish government, which he suspects is influenced by the Soviet Union. He warns the Polish government of severe consequences if they should continue to disregard the human rights of its citizens.
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Reagan was an actor.
He didn't have his own thoughts; he just read what his handlers put in front of him and made it sound convincing.
True. But the decision as to whether or not to be a union shop was not made by the union, it was made by the business. There was no law requiring the business be a union shop. So now the government is telling the business how they must operate.
I notice in your tag line you have a quote from Reagan about a limited government. How does this fit in with that quote?
No, that is actually false. Such decisions are not simply made by the business because the workers have the right to unionize. That right is protected by laws and businesses HAVE to respect that right. Such negotiations are NOT one sided. The business simply does not decide to be a closed shop. The union demands that as a condition and the businesses usually have to bend.
In that regard, the unions have special considerations under the law that gives them this power. Right to work states have simply went the other direction here. No longer does the union have the ability to demand that all future workers need to pay or join the union. I can guarantee that NO business has decided to be a closed shop because they want to. They do that because it is part of the agreement that the government has coerced them into with union legal protection.
With that said, the unions (really the workers) NEED those protections or companies would threaten and fire people when they unionized BUT that should not allow those agreements to force future workers into the contracts if they choose not to participate.
So far, not one person that is against right to work can give me a real reason that you should be forced to pay an entity that you do not want to be a part of. There is no other way to express this than servitude. It is not socialism to reign BACK some of the legal protections that unions have garnered over the years. Indeed, it needs to happen.
Socialism is precisely what it is. I am not arguing against it, by the way. I think it is proper for the government to set the rules of business and if Michigan thinks it appropriate, they should. I am not objecting to the new law. But that does not make it any less socialism. All you are saying is that you like socialism - when you perceive it to be in your favor.
ANYONE figure out the point of the thread yet?
sheesh
they love Reagan only when they can use him..
So.... Whats your point? Everyone has the right to form a union here, Now in MI we have the right not to be forced to join a union....Lech Walesa supported Romney not Obama