Reagan and Taxes

[Gremlin-USA]

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in his "Commonwealth Club Address" (1932), articulated his desire for a government of expansive economic powers – used to hold back "economic oligarchy" and assure positive "economic rights." Roosevelt considered public welfare considerations to overshadow individual sovereignty in importance; he was ready to use government power to force individuals to behave in the “public interest.” Ronald Reagan, unlike Roosevelt, recognized that government was the problem – not the solution– in economic crises, and that its authority over the economy must be curtailed to secure the freedom of entrepreneurs and all hard-working, self-directed Americans. In his First Inaugural Address (1981), Reagan represented the American heritage– arguing against restraints on free enterprise and defending individual sovereignty, natural rights, and limited government.

Roosevelt saw government as a social contract between the rulers and the governed; under it, "rulers were accorded power, and the people consented to that power on consideration that they be accorded certain rights.” But Roosevelt did not consider the rights granted under such a contract to be eternal and immutable: “The task of statesmanship [is] redefinition of these rights in terms of a changing and growing social order. New conditions impose new requirements upon government and those who conduct [it].” To Roosevelt, the very principles on which government is based ought to change with the times.

Roosevelt claimed that an older equality of opportunity had been eroded; he asserted that “equality of opportunity as we have known it no longer exists” and that “we are steering a steady course toward economic oligarchy...” For Roosevelt, government was the solution to this problem; “the task of government in its relation to business is to assist the development of an economic declaration of rights, an economic constitutional order.” Government ought to equalize opportunity where financial oligarchs' activities had given some people tremendous advantages over others. Roosevelt hence advocated redefining rights to encompass positive "economic rights." Rather than adhere to the older definition of the right to life as a negative right to be free of active violations of one's physical integrity, Roosevelt believed that every man "has also a right to make a comfortable living... Our government... owes to everyone an avenue to possess himself of a portion of that plenty sufficient for his needs...” Rather than viewing a right to property as a right not to have one's property coercively taken away, Roosevelt redefined it as "a right to be assured... in the safety of [one's] savings”. Under the new "right to property," government could interfere with some people's property to "protect" others'; Roosevelt especially advocated “restrict[ing] the operations of the speculator, the manipulator, even the financier” to shield people's savings.

Franklin Roosevelt versus Ronald Reagan and the American Heritage

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[Gremlin-USA]

New Deal programs were financed by tripling federal taxes from $1.6 billion in 1933 to $5.3 billion in 1940. Excise taxes, personal income taxes, inheritance taxes, corporate income taxes, holding company taxes and so-called "excess profits" taxes all went up.

The most important source of New Deal revenue were excise taxes levied on alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, matches, candy, chewing gum, margarine, fruit juice, soft drinks, cars, tires (including tires on wheelchairs), telephone calls, movie tickets, playing cards, electricity, radios -- these and many other everyday things were subject to New Deal excise taxes, which meant that the New Deal was substantially financed by the middle class and poor people. Yes, to hear FDR's "Fireside Chats," one had to pay FDR excise taxes for a radio and electricity! A Treasury Department report acknowledged that excise taxes "often fell disproportionately on the less affluent."

Until 1937, New Deal revenue from excise taxes exceeded the combined revenue from both personal income taxes and corporate income taxes. It wasn't until 1942, in the midst of World War II, that income taxes exceeded excise taxes for the first time under FDR. Consumers had less money to spend, and employers had less money for growth and jobs.

New Deal taxes were major job destroyers during the 1930s, prolonging unemployment that averaged 17%. Higher business taxes meant that employers had less money for growth and jobs. Social Security excise taxes on payrolls made it more expensive for employers to hire people, which discouraged hiring.

Other New Deal programs destroyed jobs, too. For example, the National Industrial Recovery Act (1933) cut back production and forced wages above market levels, making it more expensive for employers to hire people - blacks alone were estimated to have lost some 500,000 jobs because of the National Industrial Recovery Act. The Agricultural Adjustment Act (1933) cut back farm production and devastated black tenant farmers who needed work. The National Labor Relations Act (1935) gave unions monopoly bargaining power in workplaces and led to violent strikes and compulsory unionization of mass production industries. Unions secured above-market wages, triggering big layoffs and helping to usher in the depression of 1938.

How FDR's New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People



Do some real research, FDR was not worthy of washing Reagan's feet

 

[midcan5]

We're discussing the Great Depression. I'm trying to figure out when FDR's Greatness kicked in.

Can you point it out to me?

Weird how FDR's success still grates on the ideologues of the right.

1931

* No major legislation is passed addressing the Depression.

* The GNP falls another 8.5 percent; unemployment rises to 15.9 percent.

1932

* This and the next year are the worst years of the Great Depression. For 1932, GNP falls a record 13.4 percent; unemployment rises to 23.6 percent.

* Industrial stocks have lost 80 percent of their value since 1930.

* 10,000 banks have failed since 1929, or 40 percent of the 1929 total.

* GNP has also fallen 31 percent since 1929.

* Over 13 million Americans have lost their jobs since 1929.

* International trade has fallen by two-thirds since 1929.

Congress passes the Federal Home Loan Bank Act and the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932.

* Top tax rate is raised from 25 to 63 percent.

* Popular opinion considers Hoover's measures too little too late. Franklin Roosevelt easily defeats Hoover in the fall election. Democrats win control of Congress.

1933

* Roosevelt inaugurated; begins 'First 100 Days'; of intensive legislative activity.

* A third banking panic occurs in March. Roosevelt declares a Bank Holiday; closes financial institutions to stop a run on banks.

* Alarmed by Roosevelt's plan to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, a group of millionaire businessmen, led by the Du Pont and J.P. Morgan empires, plans to overthrow Roosevelt with a military coup and install a fascist government modelled after Mussolini's regime in Italy. The businessmen try to recruit General Smedley Butler, promising him an army of 500,000, unlimited financial backing and generous media spin control. The plot is foiled when Butler reports it to Congress.

* Congress authorizes creation of the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, the Civilian Conservation Corps, the Farm Credit Administration, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Emergency Relief Administration, the National Recovery Administration, the Public Works Administration and the Tennessee Valley Authority.

* Congress passes the Emergency Banking Bill, the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, the Farm Credit Act, the National Industrial Recovery Act and the Truth-in-Securities Act.
* Roosevelt does much to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, but is concerned with a balanced budget. He later rejects Keynes' advice to begin heavy deficit spending.

* The free fall of the GNP is significantly slowed; it dips only 2.1 percent this year. Unemployment rises slightly, to 24.9 percent.

1934

* Congress authorizes creation of the Federal Communications Commission, the National Mediation Board and the Securities and Exchange Commission.

* The economy turns around: GNP rises 7.7 percent, and unemployment falls to 21.7 percent. A long road to recovery begins.

* Sweden becomes the first nation to recover fully from the Great Depression. It has followed a policy of Keynesian deficit spending.

1935

* The Supreme Court declares the National Recovery Administration to be unconstitutional.

* Congress authorizes creation of the Works Progress Administration, the National Labor Relations Board and the Rural Electrification Administration.

* Congress passes the Banking Act of 1935, the Emergency Relief Appropriation Act, the National Labor Relations Act, and the Social Security Act.

* Economic recovery continues: the GNP grows another 8.1 percent, and unemployment falls to 20.1 percent.

1936

* Top tax rate raised to 79 percent.

* Economic recovery continues: GNP grows a record 14.1 percent; unemployment falls to 16.9 percent.

1937

* The Supreme Court declares the National Labor Relations Board to be unconstitutional.

* Roosevelt seeks to enlarge and therefore liberalize the Supreme Court. This attempt not only fails, but outrages the public.
* Economists attribute economic growth so far to heavy government spending that is somewhat deficit. Roosevelt, however, fears an unbalanced budget and cuts spending for 1937. That summer, the nation plunges into another recession. Despite this, the yearly GNP rises 5.0 percent, and unemployment falls to 14.3 percent.

1938

* No major New Deal legislation is passed after this date, due to Roosevelt's weakened political power.

* The year-long recession makes itself felt: the GNP falls 4.5 percent, and unemployment rises to 19.0 percent.

1939

* The United States will begin emerging from the Depression as it borrows and spends $1 billion to build its armed forces. From 1939 to 1941, when the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, U.S. manufacturing will have shot up a phenomenal 50 percent!

* The Depression is ending worldwide as nations prepare for the coming hostilities.

Roosevelt began relatively modest deficit spending that arrested the slide of the economy and resulted in some astonishing growth numbers. (Roosevelt's average growth of 5.2 percent during the Great Depression is even higher than Reagan's 3.7 percent growth during his so-called 'Seven Fat Years!') When 1936 saw a phenomenal record of 14 percent growth, Roosevelt eased back on the deficit spending, worried about balancing the budget. But this only caused the economy to slip back into a recession in 1938.

* World War II starts with Hitler's invasion of Poland.
Summary
Timeline of the Great Depression
The Great Depression, to 1935
The Main Causes of the Great Depression
Stiff upper lip.

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[CrusaderFrank]

We're discussing the Great Depression. I'm trying to figure out when FDR's Greatness kicked in.

Can you point it out to me?

Weird how FDR's success still grates on the ideologues of the right.

1931

* No major legislation is passed addressing the Depression.

* The GNP falls another 8.5 percent; unemployment rises to 15.9 percent.

1932

* This and the next year are the worst years of the Great Depression. For 1932, GNP falls a record 13.4 percent; unemployment rises to 23.6 percent.

* Industrial stocks have lost 80 percent of their value since 1930.

* 10,000 banks have failed since 1929, or 40 percent of the 1929 total.

* GNP has also fallen 31 percent since 1929.

* Over 13 million Americans have lost their jobs since 1929.

* International trade has fallen by two-thirds since 1929.

Congress passes the Federal Home Loan Bank Act and the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932.

* Top tax rate is raised from 25 to 63 percent.

* Popular opinion considers Hoover's measures too little too late. Franklin Roosevelt easily defeats Hoover in the fall election. Democrats win control of Congress.

1933

* Roosevelt inaugurated; begins 'First 100 Days'; of intensive legislative activity.

* A third banking panic occurs in March. Roosevelt declares a Bank Holiday; closes financial institutions to stop a run on banks.

* Alarmed by Roosevelt's plan to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, a group of millionaire businessmen, led by the Du Pont and J.P. Morgan empires, plans to overthrow Roosevelt with a military coup and install a fascist government modelled after Mussolini's regime in Italy. The businessmen try to recruit General Smedley Butler, promising him an army of 500,000, unlimited financial backing and generous media spin control. The plot is foiled when Butler reports it to Congress.

* Congress authorizes creation of the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, the Civilian Conservation Corps, the Farm Credit Administration, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Emergency Relief Administration, the National Recovery Administration, the Public Works Administration and the Tennessee Valley Authority.

* Congress passes the Emergency Banking Bill, the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, the Farm Credit Act, the National Industrial Recovery Act and the Truth-in-Securities Act.
* Roosevelt does much to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, but is concerned with a balanced budget. He later rejects Keynes' advice to begin heavy deficit spending.

* The free fall of the GNP is significantly slowed; it dips only 2.1 percent this year. Unemployment rises slightly, to 24.9 percent.

1934

* Congress authorizes creation of the Federal Communications Commission, the National Mediation Board and the Securities and Exchange Commission.

* The economy turns around: GNP rises 7.7 percent, and unemployment falls to 21.7 percent. A long road to recovery begins.

* Sweden becomes the first nation to recover fully from the Great Depression. It has followed a policy of Keynesian deficit spending.

1935

* The Supreme Court declares the National Recovery Administration to be unconstitutional.

* Congress authorizes creation of the Works Progress Administration, the National Labor Relations Board and the Rural Electrification Administration.

* Congress passes the Banking Act of 1935, the Emergency Relief Appropriation Act, the National Labor Relations Act, and the Social Security Act.

* Economic recovery continues: the GNP grows another 8.1 percent, and unemployment falls to 20.1 percent.

1936

* Top tax rate raised to 79 percent.

* Economic recovery continues: GNP grows a record 14.1 percent; unemployment falls to 16.9 percent.

1937

* The Supreme Court declares the National Labor Relations Board to be unconstitutional.

* Roosevelt seeks to enlarge and therefore liberalize the Supreme Court. This attempt not only fails, but outrages the public.
* Economists attribute economic growth so far to heavy government spending that is somewhat deficit. Roosevelt, however, fears an unbalanced budget and cuts spending for 1937. That summer, the nation plunges into another recession. Despite this, the yearly GNP rises 5.0 percent, and unemployment falls to 14.3 percent.

1938

* No major New Deal legislation is passed after this date, due to Roosevelt's weakened political power.

* The year-long recession makes itself felt: the GNP falls 4.5 percent, and unemployment rises to 19.0 percent.

1939

* The United States will begin emerging from the Depression as it borrows and spends $1 billion to build its armed forces. From 1939 to 1941, when the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, U.S. manufacturing will have shot up a phenomenal 50 percent!

* The Depression is ending worldwide as nations prepare for the coming hostilities.

Roosevelt began relatively modest deficit spending that arrested the slide of the economy and resulted in some astonishing growth numbers. (Roosevelt's average growth of 5.2 percent during the Great Depression is even higher than Reagan's 3.7 percent growth during his so-called 'Seven Fat Years!') When 1936 saw a phenomenal record of 14 percent growth, Roosevelt eased back on the deficit spending, worried about balancing the budget. But this only caused the economy to slip back into a recession in 1938.

* World War II starts with Hitler's invasion of Poland.
Summary
Timeline of the Great Depression
The Great Depression, to 1935
The Main Causes of the Great Depression
Stiff upper lip.

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Please point out the year when the FDR's New Deal ended the Great Depression

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%

 

[konradv]

You posted a link to some right wing hack crap


FDR US Unemployment 1932: 24.1%, 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. 8 year Average = 19.8%


This is what you posted and the funny thing is FDR took office in 1933

We're discussing the Great Depression. I'm trying to figure out when FDR's Greatness kicked in.

Can you point it out to me?

Sure, he steered the country between the rock of Communism and the hard place of Fascism. Given what was happening in Europe at the time, he DID save the country during the most intractable depression in our history. Under a lesser leader, we could have fallen over either cliff.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You posted a link to some right wing hack crap


FDR US Unemployment 1932: 24.1%, 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. 8 year Average = 19.8%


This is what you posted and the funny thing is FDR took office in 1933

We're discussing the Great Depression. I'm trying to figure out when FDR's Greatness kicked in.

Can you point it out to me?

Sure, he steered the country between the rock of Communism and the hard place of Fascism. Given what was happening in Europe at the time, he DID save the country during the most intractable depression in our history. Under a lesser leader, we could have fallen over either cliff.

Seriously? Do you believe those were our only two choices because that's really eye opening!!!

 

[midcan5]

Sure, he steered the country between the rock of Communism and the hard place of Fascism. Given what was happening in Europe at the time, he DID save the country during the most intractable depression in our history. Under a lesser leader, we could have fallen over either cliff.

Crusader is a blind ideologue who'll you notice only criticizes democrats who actually accomplished positive things. A reading of the times demonstrates the failure that were Coolidge and Hoover but only FDR is mentioned. Odd how some start their learning after the problems started and neglect its cause.


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[Reject]

Please point out the year when the FDR's New Deal ended the Great Depression

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%

Considering the freefall we were in, and the rapid arresting of that freefall (demonstrated by your numbers) and the subsequent revival of this great country, I'd have to say 1933 when he took office.

Yes, the unemployment numbers were high, but he didn't make them that way, and his policies turned that around. Sound familiar? *cough* Obama - Bush *cough*

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sure, he steered the country between the rock of Communism and the hard place of Fascism. Given what was happening in Europe at the time, he DID save the country during the most intractable depression in our history. Under a lesser leader, we could have fallen over either cliff.

Crusader is a blind ideologue who'll you notice only criticizes democrats who actually accomplished positive things. A reading of the times demonstrates the failure that were Coolidge and Hoover but only FDR is mentioned. Odd how some start their learning after the problems started and neglect its cause.


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Hoover was an Central Plan Epic Fail as was FDR.

Harding was a Conservative Success Story

Again, please point out for me when FDR's New Deal ended the Great Depression. You gave a long list of his "Accomplishments" and all they did was expand the scope of the Government. That must be what made him "Great"

 

[Epsilon Delta]

"REAGAN NEVER RAISED TAXES!!!... ERRR... AND.... UHHH.... LOOK FDR SUCKED!!"

Listen guys, it's ok. He raised taxes and still oversaw a massive increase in the deficit though his entire time in office. It's ok. It's not that big deal. You can accept that and still like Reagan. Nobody's perfect, ok?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"REAGAN NEVER RAISED TAXES!!!... ERRR... AND.... UHHH.... LOOK FDR SUCKED!!"

Listen guys, it's ok. He raised taxes and still oversaw a massive increase in the deficit though his entire time in office. It's ok. It's not that big deal. You can accept that and still like Reagan. Nobody's perfect, ok?

Reagan never had a Congress like FDR or Obama. Reagan was a US President without control of Congress. This isn't a Monarchy.

 

[editec]

FDR saved capitalism from a (truly) socialist revolution and the capitalist have never forgiven him for it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR saved capitalism from a (truly) socialist revolution and the capitalist have never forgiven him for it.

Again, a lie.

FDR instituted Socialism and did all he could to strangle capitalism which is why it took a World War to get people working again in the USA.

Here's the data, show me the save.

1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%.

 

[Skull Pilot]

. The Bible states, money is the root of all evil,

Actually, the Bible verse 1 Timothy 6: 7-10 states, "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil".


Big difference no?

 

[konradv]

. The Bible states, money is the root of all evil,

Actually, the Bible verse 1 Timothy 6: 7-10 states, "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil".


Big difference no?

What translation are you using? KJV below, NO "kinds" in it at all!!!

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Bible Resources, Online Bible, Read the Bible, Search the Bible, Bible Study Plan, Passage Search, Keyword Search Timothy+6&version=9

 

[Skull Pilot]

. The Bible states, money is the root of all evil,

Actually, the Bible verse 1 Timothy 6: 7-10 states, "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil".


Big difference no?

What translation are you using? KJV below, NO "kinds" in it at all!!!

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Bible Resources, Online Bible, Read the Bible, Search the Bible, Bible Study Plan, Passage Search, Keyword Search Timothy+6&version=9

Even if we use your verse, money is not the root of all evil is it?

The love of money in both versions is the root of evil not money itself. Money is neither good nor evil.

Anyway,I'm partial to George Bernard Shaw's line

"The lack of money is the root of all evil"

 

[Carol]

Reagan's part of the Cold War created global military obligations that have bankrupted America. As everyone knows, military costs are hidden (it took years for Stigliz to get even close to discovering the real costs of Iraq) -- so America's financial problems are much worse than anyone realizes.

By the time Reagan came to Washington, the Soviets were in serious decline. He inflated the threat in order to bring poor resource-rich countries under Washington's "protective" wing. Ronnie had to make it about "security" and "protection". Seriously, he couldn't say he was in Central America in order to prevent economies (and their precious resources) from being nationalized -- no, to the contrary, he had to say he was making the world safe for Democracy, as he got in bed with one dictator after another. (nobody outside the GOP base was fooled)

Read the label on your toaster. Like your oil, it comes from an unstable 3rd world country. The Cold War, under Reagan, became a context for militarizing global supply chains so as to ensure the flow of capital-&-resources. The greatest threat to Reagan's militarization of the globe was the Clinton peace dividend. The Neocons require a big enemy so that they have an alibi to go wherever a supply chain or resource needs tending to.

This is why the War on Terrorism was ABSOLUTELY necessary. It became the new context for using national security as an alibi to militarize vital regions. In 2012 the War will be back on steroids, and America will increase it's self-destruction under the Reagan model.

Self-destruction? How?

Eventually, the globe is too hard to control -- and your nation literally runs out of money. And when it does, the big corporations who fund your elections and staff your government will move to another set of tools.

Well this post is a little closer to "Reagan and Texas". Shall we remember before Reagan was Carter, and Carter told us we need to conserve. Carter was dealing with a recession, because OPEC had embargoed oil to the US. The recession was caused by a shortage in fuel.

This is a big jump, but a 1920's newspaper said, "Given our know oil supply and rate of consumption, we are headed for economic disaster and possibly war." As everyone knows the economies of all industrial nations were dependent on oil, and when the demand surpassed supply, everyone of these industrial nations experienced economic collapse, and the world went to war. Now I am jumping over a lot of stuff to get back to Reagan.

He clearly lied to us when he said we do not need to conserve. Not only had we become dependent on foreign oil, but we had to protect our trade partners supply of oil. The only way to avoid conversation and get our economy back on track was to secure foreign oil. Reagan slashed domestic budgets and poured all the money he could get, including withdrawing money from Social Security, into military spending, and granting arms to mid east countries. You know, as in oil deals for arms. Our best deal is with Saudi Arabia, a country that must definitely is not a democracy, but is run by a royal family.

Reagan followed a German strategy for this shift in federal spending. When he took office, research on poverty disappears from the abstracts, and in its place is research on welfare fraud. It is such a complete change in research direction, anyone who understands such research would know the research was biased by an objective, and therefore not credible research. That objective was scapegoating the poor for the bad economy, just as the Germans had scapegoated the Jews for Germany's economic troubles. The media screamed with the outcome of the research on welfare fraud, and this made everyone agreeable to slashing domestic budgets. At the same time the industrial loop holes, were partly tax deductions for charity. So here we are dealing with economic collapse, high unemployment, and a decrease in both assistance programs and charity. Our people were seriously hurt, as money was poured into military spending.

But this doesn't begin with Reagan. Texas money was behind the Eisenhower, Reagan and Bush elections. Eisenhower set things up and Reagan and Bush are only following through. Eisenhower created a new relationship between research and government, which made it possible for Reagan to get the research results he wanted to justify slashing budgets and pouring money into military spending. Eisenhower also established a new relationship with media, which assures the public gets the information the presidents wants the public to have. And Eisenhower asked congress for the National Defense Education Act, which replaced liberal education with education for technology for military and industrial purpose, and we can now engage in war within 4 hours notice, and we can maintain wars for years, without disturbing anyone's morning cup of coffee. That means, the citizens have virtually no control over their military force, compared to our reality before the second world war, when world wars involved every man, woman and child, because war so disrupted our lives and required hard sacrifices.

I want to add, our trouble with Iran begins with Eisenhower, who is responsible for the over throw of a democratically elected leader, and put in power a brutal leader, leading to Iran's revolting, and all the trouble with Iran that has followed. We have seriously misused our CIA around the world, putting dictators in power. Reagan, I believe, began our war on drugs, which justified our troops in south American, like Bush's war on terrorism has justified troop movements.

Anyway, there is a connection between Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush and Texas. I don't think we have seen the end of the our troubles. The economies of all industrial nations depends on oil, and oil is finite. Oil rich countries are sinking their wealth into military weapons, and they will not recede back into poverty peacefully. Not only do we need another energy resource, but those oil countries will need another source of revenue. Any ideas what that will be?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Reagan's part of the Cold War created global military obligations that have bankrupted America. As everyone knows, military costs are hidden (it took years for Stigliz to get even close to discovering the real costs of Iraq) -- so America's financial problems are much worse than anyone realizes.

By the time Reagan came to Washington, the Soviets were in serious decline. He inflated the threat in order to bring poor resource-rich countries under Washington's "protective" wing. Ronnie had to make it about "security" and "protection". Seriously, he couldn't say he was in Central America in order to prevent economies (and their precious resources) from being nationalized -- no, to the contrary, he had to say he was making the world safe for Democracy, as he got in bed with one dictator after another. (nobody outside the GOP base was fooled)

Read the label on your toaster. Like your oil, it comes from an unstable 3rd world country. The Cold War, under Reagan, became a context for militarizing global supply chains so as to ensure the flow of capital-&-resources. The greatest threat to Reagan's militarization of the globe was the Clinton peace dividend. The Neocons require a big enemy so that they have an alibi to go wherever a supply chain or resource needs tending to.

This is why the War on Terrorism was ABSOLUTELY necessary. It became the new context for using national security as an alibi to militarize vital regions. In 2012 the War will be back on steroids, and America will increase it's self-destruction under the Reagan model.

Self-destruction? How?

Eventually, the globe is too hard to control -- and your nation literally runs out of money. And when it does, the big corporations who fund your elections and staff your government will move to another set of tools.

Well this post is a little closer to "Reagan and Texas". Shall we remember before Reagan was Carter, and Carter told us we need to conserve. Carter was dealing with a recession, because OPEC had embargoed oil to the US. The recession was caused by a shortage in fuel.

This is a big jump, but a 1920's newspaper said, "Given our know oil supply and rate of consumption, we are headed for economic disaster and possibly war." As everyone knows the economies of all industrial nations were dependent on oil, and when the demand surpassed supply, everyone of these industrial nations experienced economic collapse, and the world went to war. Now I am jumping over a lot of stuff to get back to Reagan.

He clearly lied to us when he said we do not need to conserve. Not only had we become dependent on foreign oil, but we had to protect our trade partners supply of oil. The only way to avoid conversation and get our economy back on track was to secure foreign oil. Reagan slashed domestic budgets and poured all the money he could get, including withdrawing money from Social Security, into military spending, and granting arms to mid east countries. You know, as in oil deals for arms. Our best deal is with Saudi Arabia, a country that must definitely is not a democracy, but is run by a royal family.

Reagan followed a German strategy for this shift in federal spending. When he took office, research on poverty disappears from the abstracts, and in its place is research on welfare fraud. It is such a complete change in research direction, anyone who understands such research would know the research was biased by an objective, and therefore not credible research. That objective was scapegoating the poor for the bad economy, just as the Germans had scapegoated the Jews for Germany's economic troubles. The media screamed with the outcome of the research on welfare fraud, and this made everyone agreeable to slashing domestic budgets. At the same time the industrial loop holes, were partly tax deductions for charity. So here we are dealing with economic collapse, high unemployment, and a decrease in both assistance programs and charity. Our people were seriously hurt, as money was poured into military spending.

But this doesn't begin with Reagan. Texas money was behind the Eisenhower, Reagan and Bush elections. Eisenhower set things up and Reagan and Bush are only following through. Eisenhower created a new relationship between research and government, which made it possible for Reagan to get the research results he wanted to justify slashing budgets and pouring money into military spending. Eisenhower also established a new relationship with media, which assures the public gets the information the presidents wants the public to have. And Eisenhower asked congress for the National Defense Education Act, which replaced liberal education with education for technology for military and industrial purpose, and we can now engage in war within 4 hours notice, and we can maintain wars for years, without disturbing anyone's morning cup of coffee. That means, the citizens have virtually no control over their military force, compared to our reality before the second world war, when world wars involved every man, woman and child, because war so disrupted our lives and required hard sacrifices.

I want to add, our trouble with Iran begins with Eisenhower, who is responsible for the over throw of a democratically elected leader, and put in power a brutal leader, leading to Iran's revolting, and all the trouble with Iran that has followed. We have seriously misused our CIA around the world, putting dictators in power. Reagan, I believe, began our war on drugs, which justified our troops in south American, like Bush's war on terrorism has justified troop movements.

Anyway, there is a connection between Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush and Texas. I don't think we have seen the end of the our troubles. The economies of all industrial nations depends on oil, and oil is finite. Oil rich countries are sinking their wealth into military weapons, and they will not recede back into poverty peacefully. Not only do we need another energy resource, but those oil countries will need another source of revenue. Any ideas what that will be?

You need to cite the source you're cutting and pasting from. And don't tell me you aren't cutting and pasting, because you forgot to delete one of the footnote notations.

 

[Carol]

Before I knew which end was up, I too let my teachers lie to me about the "Greatness" of FDR and the host of other lies Progressives need to tell on a 24/7 basis.

Now that I can get the data for myself, I cannot and will not allow Progressives to continue to Gobbelize American history with their Big Lies.

FDR sucked and gave us 8 years of misery while Reagan's cut taxes and gladly handed the economy back over to American entrepreneurs.

Insult me, call me crazy, call me whatever the fuck you want; at the end of the day you lie and I'm calling you on it.

Here's the FDR data set, what year did the "Greatness" start?

FDR's unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


you post nothing but partisan hacks crap from others.

Are you the Liberal Intellectual Elite?

All I've done is post the data set and ask a question.

No way are you innocent of not being offense. Your avatar is so disrespectful of our President, I would not allow it. The best I can do is ignore your post. That being said, do not expect me to read your post, until you stop being so disrespectful.

 

[uscitizen]

Frank can only think in bianry absolutes. Either this or that, good or evil, etc.
Lots simpler for simpler minds.