Random Thoughts on the Falling Empire

[Truthmatters]

Is a profit ONLY goal going to make us a better society?

 

[Oldguy]

But I do see the left paving a path to more economic realignment using workers displaced by automation as the catalyst for demands of more fascist and socialist entanglement and ever greater power to the state.

So, that's what you see, do you? Maybe so-called "conservatives" like yourself should take a tip from the Bible:

"You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye." Matthew 7:5 (AKJV)

You believe in the Bible?

Of course. Don't you?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Of course. Don't you?

What if the Bible and Das Kapital conflict? Which do you follow?

 

[Uncensored2008]

but, but, that goes against the Republican's meme Are you now or have you ever voted Repub?

WTF are you babbling about?

 

[Dot Com]

Maybe the right is begining to get a peek into what is wrong with a profit ONLY motive.

I doubt it. Its not what Ayn would do

Kagan got the SCOTUS gig because she's covered Obama's real records at Harvard

lol. so we get to the REAL topic of the thread? You & Frank being xenophobes & birfers to boot.

Unlike Obama, the lawyers I know all have heard of "Judicial review" Odd that Obama never heard of it

Obama never heard of Marbury v. Madison I had to learn that in pre-law. YOU ever heard of Marbury v. Madison

 

[Dot Com]

but, but, that goes against the Republican's meme Are you now or have you ever voted Repub?

WTF are you babbling about?

I'm not going to spoon-feed you past rw meme's used against our great President. Ask one of your rw buds about it.

 

[jasonnfree]

Kurt Vonnegut wrote a book in the early 50's - "Player Piano". Similar to what's happening now. Automation, robots, and a huge welfare state because other than some technicians and managers, there were no jobs anymore.

 

[Truthmatters]

Any of you cons care to answer the question of wether a profit ONLY society design is the best?

 

[jwoodie]

What "manufacturing is rapidly returning to America?"

 

[Uncensored2008]

Any of you cons care to answer the question of wether a profit ONLY society design is the best?

Yes.

You now have the answer, but you lack the reasoning capacity to grasp why it is the answer.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What "manufacturing is rapidly returning to America?"

{But in the after glow of the Great Recession, something surprising is happening: U.S. manufacturing appears to be on the cusp of an awakening – if not a full rebirth. Companies like Illinois-based Caterpillar (CAT), the world's largest maker of excavators and bulldozers, is shifting some of its excavator production from abroad to Texas. U.S. furniture maker Sauder is moving production back home from low-wage countries. According to the report by Accenture, some 61% of manufacturing executives surveyed by the consultancy said they were considering more closely matching supply location with demand location by re-shoring manufacturing and supply.}

Made (again) in the USA: The return of American manufacturing - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet

CNN paints a rosy picture that is unrealistic.

{The tipping point for U.S. companies looking homeward again and deciding on a return is automation via a new generation of robots that are hiring on at all sorts of new manufacturing and agricultural venues—places far different from their well-known employment haunts at auto plants. Robots are now working in such previously robot-less environments as meat processing, furniture making, farming, aircraft production, warehousing and mining—as well as robot-only manufacturing like Canon’s camera facilities. They’re even in households and hospitals, and incredulously, washing heads in beauty salons. }

Robots, Re-shoring and America

The reality is that "reshoring" doesn't really equate to jobs. Yes, manufacturing is returning, but the jobs are not.

 

[JimBowie1958]

1. The country is falling in part BECAUSE it has become emperial in scope rather than centered on the People of the United States. When our politicians send American jobs overseas to help the poor people over there as though we dont have unemployed people here, you know that someone is getting their bread buttered by the wrong people.

2. Our unionshave been taken over by Marxist radicals who are in unending war with American management. So of course these businesses will try to avoid hiring leftwing loons if it can. I personally have worked at several companies where management had told their workers that if they unionize they will simply shut the plant down for good. They would rather throw away millions in capitol than deal with unions.

3. The new technology is only making workers more efficient. If the government would get off the business communities backs, those businesses could hire more people to produce more goods. But the lay offs, tax hikes and murkey regulatory future discourage any current expansion efforts or business start up.

 

[JimBowie1958]

What "manufacturing is rapidly returning to America?"

{But in the after glow of the Great Recession, something surprising is happening: U.S. manufacturing appears to be on the cusp of an awakening – if not a full rebirth. Companies like Illinois-based Caterpillar (CAT), the world's largest maker of excavators and bulldozers, is shifting some of its excavator production from abroad to Texas. U.S. furniture maker Sauder is moving production back home from low-wage countries. According to the report by Accenture, some 61% of manufacturing executives surveyed by the consultancy said they were considering more closely matching supply location with demand location by re-shoring manufacturing and supply.}

Made (again) in the USA: The return of American manufacturing - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet

CNN paints a rosy picture that is unrealistic.

{The tipping point for U.S. companies looking homeward again and deciding on a return is automation via a new generation of robots that are hiring on at all sorts of new manufacturing and agricultural venues—places far different from their well-known employment haunts at auto plants. Robots are now working in such previously robot-less environments as meat processing, furniture making, farming, aircraft production, warehousing and mining—as well as robot-only manufacturing like Canon’s camera facilities. They’re even in households and hospitals, and incredulously, washing heads in beauty salons. }

Robots, Re-shoring and America

The reality is that "reshoring" doesn't really equate to jobs. Yes, manufacturing is returning, but the jobs are not.

No, they are returning, just not at the same numbers as when they left. Half a loaf isnt no loaf at all.

 

[Oldguy]

Of course. Don't you?

What if the Bible and Das Kapital conflict? Which do you follow?

Well...that's a silly question, isn't it? The Bible, of course.

Then again, that's an easy answer because Dad Kapital is based upon a faulty premis to start with.

Let me ask you: Do you believe in the Bible?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Of course. Don't you?

What if the Bible and Das Kapital conflict? Which do you follow?

Well...that's a silly question, isn't it? The Bible, of course.

Then again, that's an easy answer because Dad Kapital is based upon a faulty premis to start with.

Yes, Das Kapital has several flaws. I count the failure to consider how new economic cycles are started by new technologies, thus keeping the educated working class employed at good salleries, at least untill lately.

What is your observed flawed premises?

 

[Freemason9]

What happens when there are no paid workers left? Who buys the consumer goods, and where does the revenue for capitalists come from when there is no work force earning wages?

 

[Oldguy]

What if the Bible and Das Kapital conflict? Which do you follow?

Well...that's a silly question, isn't it? The Bible, of course.

Then again, that's an easy answer because Dad Kapital is based upon a faulty premis to start with.

Yes, Das Kapital has several flaws. I count the failure to consider how new economic cycles are started by new technologies, thus keeping the educated working class employed at good salleries, at least untill lately.

What is your observed flawed premises?

I think it fails to account for human nature. Marx and Engel's seem to assume that man's better nature will arise when freed of competition and oppression, but I don't buy that notion at all.

Greed, avarice, lust, jealousy...those things don't just disappear in the Marxist utopia.

 

[saveliberty]

A lot of it does migrate to the socialist leaders though Oldguy...

 

[Freemason9]

It's fairly well accepted that win/win scenarios far exceed win/lose or lose/win scenarios in terms of outcome and efficiency--and yet, we adhere to an economic system that is solidly rooted in win/lose philosophies.

 

[mudwhistle]

I see a rise in the need for maint, programming and engineering for robotics. Poor learning people will do as they have done through the ages of empires, join the military.

You must be John (F You) Kerry.