Racist?

[Gunny]

Pathetic that she's a teacher, isn't it? And you can tell the rabid one that there were 11 million people killed by the Nazis.

I'm also wondering if she thinks the jews tossed from Persia should get their land back or if I should get my ancestral home back in Belarus.

A teacher, huh? Wow. Not really surprised though. She's an extremist and these are the people you are supporting by rolling over to Obama. That is EXACTLY what drove me away from the Democrat party. The only difference being what defined extreme in 1980 compared to today.

And when you file that lawsuit, I want honorable mention for some prime real estate in the Scots Highlands my ancestors were disposessed of by force. And file it against that dumb Brit Roomy. It's all HIS fault.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

I happen to know for a fact that your assessment of Jillian is incorrect. She may be biased toward her beliefs, but no no moreso than anyone else, and certainly nowhere near as biased as you.

I have no problem taking your bait. When was the last time Palestine existed as an autonomous nation -- meaning not under the control of ANY empirical influence?

The Romans destroyed the ancient Jewish Judean kingdom and THEY renamed the area Palestine. The Romans changed the name of Israel to historically disconnect the Jews from their homeland as punishment for rebelling against Roman imperialism.

So WHO disposessed WHO?

Oh, and I'm not a Jew just in case you wanted to try that line.

Back to front:

1. Why should I care if you are Jewish or not? That you say that you are not makes you neither more nor less credible, as far as I am concerned. On the other hand, were I the "anti-semite" you all accuse me of being, then I would be trying to filter what I know through both the Israeli and the Arab "Politically Correct" filters -- at the same time, rather than seeing this as the internecine war that it is. The ONLY people, in this conflict, that count at all are the ones with actual ties to the area, which leaves the Ashkenazis outside the argument. The only real difference between Sephardic Jews and Arab Muslims is two prophets and a slightly less restrictive dietary code. DNA wise, Cain the elder is still trying to kill Abel the younger. Those Jews and Arabs lived together in peace for those "1940+" years, until the eurotrash arrived, the marxist/zionists...
   
   
   

   I'm also wondering if she thinks the jews tossed from Persia should get their land back or if I should get my ancestral home back in Belarus.

   
   
   This from jillian is pretty funny, as she uses a couple of groups that have no right to get back abandoned land, land more recently abandoned in fact, in order to justify giving back land to a group that abandoned land about two thousand yerars ago....​
   
   
2. Christian theology says that the Romans acted as the agents of "GOD" in punishing the Jews for reprehensible behavior, and for not listening and following the rules of the "GOD" they tell us specifically chose them. I haven't seen any "GODLY" skywriting rescinding the order for certain groups to take a hike (AKA the "diaspora)...
   
   
3. That you say you know something for a fact about another poster means nothing to me, as you are promoting other facts not in evidence in this thread.

 

[Gunny]

Back to front:

1. Why should I care if you are Jewish or not? That you say that you are not makes you neither more nor less credible, as far as I am concerned. On the other hand, were I the "anti-semite" you all accuse me of being, then I would be trying to filter what I know through both the Israeli and the Arab "Politically Correct" filters -- at the same time, rather than seeing this as the internecine war that it is. The ONLY people, in this conflict, that count at all are the ones with actual ties to the area, which leaves the Ashkenazis outside the argument. The only real difference between Sephardic Jews and Arab Muslims is two prophets and a slightly less restrictive dietary code. DNA wise, Cain the elder is still trying to kill Abel the younger. Those Jews and Arabs lived together in peace for those "1940+" years, until the eurotrash arrived, the marxist/zionists...

1. 
   
   Then why does it matter whether or not Jillian is Jewish, as you stated? Obviously it DOES make a difference to you.
   
   You can convolute the argument all you want with all your different labels and backwards arguments, but the fact remains Palestine was a British mandate as a result of the Ottoman Empire's loss in WWI and it was Britain's to give or not as it chose.
   
   The people with "actual ties to the area" would include the Jews as I pointed out in my previous post; which, you have chosen to ignore. They were disposessed by the Romans.
   
   As far as any other "people with actual ties to the area" they have no more claim to the area than the Jews as they also relignquished their right to self-determination to imperial forces.
   
   In other words, you got no game.

 

[jillian]

Back to front:

1. Why should I care if you are Jewish or not? That you say that you are not makes you neither more nor less credible, as far as I am concerned. On the other hand, were I the "anti-semite" you all accuse me of being, then I would be trying to filter what I know through both the Israeli and the Arab "Politically Correct" filters -- at the same time, rather than seeing this as the internecine war that it is. The ONLY people, in this conflict, that count at all are the ones with actual ties to the area, which leaves the Ashkenazis outside the argument. The only real difference between Sephardic Jews and Arab Muslims is two prophets and a slightly less restrictive dietary code. DNA wise, Cain the elder is still trying to kill Abel the younger. Those Jews and Arabs lived together in peace for those "1940+" years, until the eurotrash arrived, the marxist/zionists...
   
   
   
   
   
   This from jillian is pretty funny, as she uses a couple of groups that have no right to get back abandoned land, land more recently abandoned in fact, in order to justify giving back land to a group that abandoned land about two thousand yerars ago....​
   
   
2. Christian theology says that the Romans acted as the agents of "GOD" in punishing the Jews for reprehensible behavior, and for not listening and following the rules of the "GOD" they tell us specifically chose them. I haven't seen any "GODLY" skywriting rescinding the order for certain groups to take a hike (AKA the "diaspora)...
   
   
3. That you say you know something for a fact about another poster means nothing to me, as you are promoting other facts not in evidence in this thread.

Actually, he does know. And I don't debate this issue with ignoramuses who know nothing about the history of the region.

It really is horrifying that they allow an ignorant child like you to teach. And you might want to start getting it through your ugly little hateful mind that Jews didn't toss the pals. They were always there. and then the original reclamation movement started with PURCHASING land.

Moron. Do you really believe Jews shouldn't be in Israel because G-d displaced us? Then I guess now he doesn't much like the people who call themselves palestinians. (and, no, I don't believe that...it's about as stupid as what you wrote, though, so I figured you'd understand it).

But you might want to start with the Balfour Declaration. I love how imbeciles like you love international law except when it doesn't displace jews.

 

[Gunny]

Actually, he does know. And I don't debate this issue with ignoramuses who know nothing about the history of the region.

It really is horrifying that they allow an ignorant child like you to teach. And you might want to start getting it through your ugly little hateful mind that Jews didn't toss the pals. They were always there. and then the original reclamation movement started with PURCHASING land.

Moron. Do you really believe Jews shouldn't be in Israel because G-d displaced us? Then I guess now he doesn't much like the people who call themselves palestinians. (and, no, I don't believe that...it's about as stupid as what you wrote, though, so I figured you'd understand it).

But you might want to start with the Balfour Declaration. I love how imbeciles like you love international law except when it doesn't displace jews.

I have to wonder what "Christian theology" teaches God used the Romans to punish the Jews. I must've missed that one in Sunday School.

 

[William Joyce]

And you might want to start getting it through your ugly little hateful mind that Jews didn't toss the pals.

But they did just that. You're... uh... denying their Holocaust, if you will.

And who calls them "pals" with a lower-case "P" but someone intent on delegitimizing them?

Talk about ugly little hateful minds! You're a hardcore, America-hating leftist on almost everything, except when it comes to the Jews/Israel, and then you're a hardcore, Arab-hating Zionist. Shit, lady, at least I keep my hate straight! You're that cartoon of a Jewish person I'd meet in New York, standing there at a party going on an on about how racist white America is, ha ha ha, and then casually suggest when the topic turns to Israel that "the Arabs must be destroyed." Ha ha ha. Ha... ha? Even before I went pro-white, this always struck me as a little bit fucking weird.

But who was I to say anything? If you poked just a bit, the Jewish person would melt down like a hateful child, yelling that "you don't understand" and "wasn't six million enough?" You could not, not, not reason with them.

 

[Gungnir]

Will, don't addle 'em.

What's the point in arguing about how bad cheese and milk are to a Diary Farmer?

Walk softly and carry a big stick.

Only go to the Bee's Nest when you have smoke. It saves you a lot of hassle.

 

[Gunny]

But they did just that. You're... uh... denying their Holocaust, if you will.

And who calls them "pals" with a lower-case "P" but someone intent on delegitimizing them?

Talk about ugly little hateful minds! You're a hardcore, America-hating leftist on almost everything, except when it comes to the Jews/Israel, and then you're a hardcore, Arab-hating Zionist. Shit, lady, at least I keep my hate straight! You're that cartoon of a Jewish person I'd meet in New York, standing there at a party going on an on about how racist white America is, ha ha ha, and then casually suggest when the topic turns to Israel that "the Arabs must be destroyed." Ha ha ha. Ha... ha? Even before I went pro-white, this always struck me as a little bit fucking weird.

But who was I to say anything? If you poked just a bit, the Jewish person would melt down like a hateful child, yelling that "you don't understand" and "wasn't six million enough?" You could not, not, not reason with them.

Is there some point to this little display, or what? Talk about a little bit fucking weird ... except that she isn't proclaiming the superiority of her race, how does Jillian defending hers different from YOU doing it?

I forgot. You are of "superior" stock. It's okay for you to push your racial superiority junk but it isn't okay for the "lesser folk" to even defend theirs.

Come back when you've got a REAL argument that isn't just about as hypocritical as it gets, huh?

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Then why does it matter whether or not Jillian is Jewish, as you stated? Obviously it DOES make a difference to you.

She is the one that inserted that into the issue, not I.

As a matter of fact, the country is full of dumb shits who are manipulated by the guilting propaganda that are not Jewish, and I had her figured for one of those types.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Do you really believe Jews shouldn't be in Israel because G-d displaced us?

Ok, now I get your point of view.

..I don't debate this issue with [any] who [I believe] know nothing about the history of the region.

Then why are you doing it?

As for what to believe, why would I ever take your slant as a credible view of history?

It really is horrifying that they allow an ignorant child like you to teach.

Where are you getting your misinformation? or is it a natural bent to make up facts when you have none?

...Jews didn't toss the pals. They were always there.

If the "pals" (cute racist term there, kiddo) were ALWAYS there, then that gives them a right to their space. Those that chose to sell land, at a fair price, in fair negotiations (that means NOT at gun or rocket point) are one thing.... bulldozing homes and orchards is not. It is the action of terrorist thieves.

As for who tossed whom, it was certain Israelis, as not all Jews everywhere agree with, or want what is being done, in fact, not even ALL Israelis want what is being done........... Like ALL Americans do not walk lockstep with Bush......

www.nkusa.org/
www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm http://www.realnews247.com/spec_rpt_jews_against_zionism.htm

Then I guess now he doesn't much like the people who call themselves palestinians. (and, no, I don't believe that...it's about as stupid as what you wrote, though, so I figured you'd understand it).

Can't you control your babbling?

But you might want to start with the Balfour Declaration. I love how imbeciles like you love international law except when it doesn't displace jews.

Where have I ever said I love "international law?" On what are you basing your presumptions? Making things up because it suits you?

As for the Balfour, and what I think of that whole mess, and the after the war thing, Brits have a very long history of being anti-Judaist, but leading up to the WWs it began as a cousin fight, Brits against the Germans (Prussians) and the whatever, because the royal Brits were/are Germans, as to ethnicity.... Back to George I. And now, some of them still seem to like Nazi get-up! http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Royal_Nazis.html

My personal opinion of the situation - the enabling of a Hilter by the Brits and by the US - people here, in government, knew exactly what was happening there, and those not in favor were of the "not our problem" or "have no opinion" schools. However, The US and its government being the chickenshits that we were, like depression era parents spoiling and enabling boomer children, allowed a guilting that just won't quit. Why? Because they knew what they did was wrong, and they knew that they had compounded their comtemptible behavior by believing, along with the Brits, that shipping the Jewish survivors to Palestine would bring on a series of massacres by the Arabs that would solve any Brit/US "Jewish" problems, especially if they were able to spread enough hate and discontent from the sidelines.

It didn't happen, and the primary reason that it didn't really come off as planned is that for the most part, except for CHRISTIAN meddling in the Middle East, Jews and Arabs/Muslims managed somehow to live together before and up to 1948.

I sincerely believe that so-called Christian Nations are responsible for most of what is wrong in the world. The Middle East misery escalated exponentially with US and Northern European meddling. First they enabled Hitler, then they fomented the current crap!

As for any of the rest, for ME, I personally do not find it necessary to clear my opinions with any group to comply with whatever their idea of politically correct is. You may find, after a while of reading what I post, that I am actually an equal opportunity disrespector of all religions. I despise most, however, those that mask a political movement as religion, as the Zionists do, whether Christian or Jewish, are at the top of my comtempt list.

It would have been a total non issue if the US had opened the doors before Hitler, but the fact that they didn't, is not my fault, as I was not alive yet. Just as whites are anti-reparations for blacks, I am anti-reparations for Jews, especially in the context of the massive cash payments to Israel, a big welfare/guilt thing, not to mention weapons, and also forgiving spies and all the other bullshit, including but not limited to Sex Slavery - The Growing Trade in Israel, Israelis at center of ecstasy drug trade - Haaretz - Israel News, The Jewish Quarterly (all about the porn industry...)


The Holocaust, incidentally, was also about 12 million non-Jews who were murdered in various ways, in the camps and other places and the war was also about 40,000,000+ others who died, and the self-chosen do not own it, or all the pain, or all the bad memories. Where I think that what was done was horrible and disgusting, the suffering was just as great for the others whom Hitler, the Japanese, et al targeted, not just the Jews.

As for those Jewish people who were sent to the camps, you need to start the conversation with a big thank you to the Judenrat that were the facilitators, the enablers, who figured they could cover their own asses by telling others not to fight back.

I see no reason at all why I, along with many others, should be held hostage for what I didn't do, and I am totally tired of the self-serving whine for continous attention over what cannot now be changed. What can be changed is the attitudes of those who demand eternal mea culpas even of those not guilty.

As for Wright, kiddo, you are more of a racist, and you have the advantage over blacks, as you can change a name, and if looks are an issue, plastic surgery takes care of it. Blacks on the other hand cannot shed their skin, Michael Jackson IS an exception!

You might do yourself some good in looking into some groups that want peace and are actually working to make it so:

Additionel Jewish-Palestinian Reconciliation Peace Links

Oh, and I will think others have it less hard when I see as many blacks and women in government power and media control, in proportion to their numbers in the US population as there are Jews in proportion to their percentage of US population, in those areas. You want fair, then we can do it BY THE NUMBERS!

 

[Gunny]

She is the one that inserted that into the issue, not I.

As a matter of fact, the country is full of dumb shits who are manipulated by the guilting propaganda that are not Jewish, and I had her figured for one of those types.

The country is full of dumbshits who are manipulated by hate propaganda, and if you're aiming your "not" at me, don't waste your time. Guilt trips don't work on me worth a damn.

I just know the simple difference between right and wrong and fact and fiction.

How many threads have you started or participated in bleeding your heart all over your sleeves for blacks? Are YOU black, or are they just your favorite race? Just wondering because you damned sure have no problem hating the Jewish one.

You're just one of those haters who sits around apologizing for a so-called "nation" that was formed by an Egyptian claiming to be Palestinian and based on terrorism. What does it take with people like you?

Israel could have whiped the Arabs out in Lebanon. They could have left them there. They let them come back. What did they do? Start right up firing missiles into Israeli HOMES.

If nothing else, Israel wages war against terrorists and Palestine wages war against noncombatants. THAT alone should filter who is right or wrong into that sieve-like mind of yours.

You are every bit as backwards assed and a hater as the worst racist against blacks this nation has to offer. You just choose something different to hate.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

The country is full of dumbshits who are manipulated by hate propaganda, and if you're aiming your "not" at me, don't waste your time.

If I had meant it for YOU I would have said YOU, rather than the generalized "dumbshits." Don't assume an attack unless there actually is one.

Just wondering because you damned sure have no problem hating the Jewish one..

I don't hate "ALL Jews" at all, but I have contempt for those of any race or group who are Zionists, Likudniks, or whatever. I feel the same way about Wahabis and other nutjobs of like ilk, even though you didn't ask!

You're just one of those haters who sits around apologizing for a so-called "nation" that was formed by an Egyptian claiming to be Palestinian and based on terrorism.

Facts not in historical evidence...

Here is a story you might like:

Booman Tribune ~ A Progressive Community

The part about dressing up as arabs was really cute, and makes one wonder, what with Mossads resources, paid at US taxpayer expense, how many other similar FAKES have been perpetrated on an unsuspecting and overly sympathetic world.

 

[William Joyce]

how does Jillian defending hers different from YOU doing it?

Because I admit that I defend and promote white gentiles, and make group criticisms of other groups.

In other words, I acknowledge that I'm ethnically/racially partisan.

jillian admits NEITHER, but does BOTH with as much brio (at least as against Palestinians, anyway).

And your comment about "superior stock" shows you don't even pay attention to what I say. When it comes to ethnic organization and advocacy, Jews far outstrip my own people, and I say as much.

Ask yourself this: why aren't YOU defending your own people? Instead of spending all your damn time defending OTHER GROUPS and an equal amount of energy SHITTING on your OWN RACE?

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Because I admit that I defend and promote white gentiles, and make group criticisms of other groups.

In other words, I acknowledge that I'm ethnically/racially partisan.

jillian admits NEITHER, but does BOTH with as much brio (at least as against Palestinians, anyway).

And your comment about "superior stock" shows you don't even pay attention to what I say. When it comes to ethnic organization and advocacy, Jews far outstrip my own people, and I say as much.

Ask yourself this: why aren't YOU defending your own people? Instead of spending all your damn time defending OTHER GROUPS and an equal amount of energy SHITTING on your OWN RACE?

I note that on this thread: http://www.usmessageboard.com/canad...r-victims-of-stalins-genocide.html#post697280 jillian could not be bothered, not even a gee, how ugly, but then, according to her, throughout all of history, the ONLY thing of any importance, apparently, is what happened to a few of the self-chosen, and the whole rest of the world is supposed to cater to that whine.......

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Born as, but still forced to "convert to"? How can that be?



Soldier killed in Lebanon War 'finally promoted to rank of Jew'

By Anshel Pfeffer, Haaretz Correspondent

Yesmao Yela'o was preparing to visit his mother in Ethiopia, whom he had not seen in five years, but the Second Lebanon War started and he was called up. "He told me that if he comes back from the war he would go then," says Moshe Aylim, a childhood friend from Ethiopia who immigrated with Yesmao to Israel. On August 6, 2006 Yesmao was killed in a pre-dawn clash with Hezbollah fighters in the western sector.

Yesmao was the youngest of 13 siblings fathered by Fentai, a Jew who moved to Israel 20 years ago with some of his children from a previous marriage. Yesmao remained in Ethiopia with his sister Azmara and their Christian mother. But he was raised Jewish in Ethiopia, where religion follows the father.

On reaching adulthood Yesmao could immigrate on his own, and he came with Azmara and her children. They lived at the absorption center on Kibbutz Ayelet Hashahar. Yesmao was accepted to an intensive Jewish Agency program for Ethiopian immigrants in their teens and early 20s.

"He had lived as a Jew in Ethiopia, immigrated to Israel as a Jew, and completed the conversion process successfully," says Rabbi Menachem Waldman, director of the Shvut Am organization, which has accompanied the process for 17 years on the Chief Rabbinate's behalf. "When he arrived at the rabbinic court for the final stage, they pulled the same trick on him as on other youngsters. The rabbinic judges demanded he furnish confirmation from the synagogue he prays at, but from what synagogue is a young guy like him, without a family, going to get confirmation?"

Yesmao enlisted in the IDF at 23 and served as a sniper with Battalion 12 of the Golani Brigade. Yaron Lipman, his squad commander throughout combat training, describes a shy soldier.

After the army he worked as a security guard for the Postal Authority, saving up for school while continuing to help support his sister and saving for the visit to his mother.

Then the war began and he was called up, his first reserve duty. "We set out for battle unprepared, unequipped and untrained," Hezki Shoham, a soldier in his platoon, says. Yesmao was killed by a direct hit to the head in a battle with Hezbollah.

Then the issue of his burial place arose. IDF records listed him as non-Jewish, but after special application to Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar, Yesmao was ruled to have completed the conversion process, and was buried in a regular plot.

"After his death he was promoted to the rank of Jew," a buddy from his platoon said with bitterness.

The Jewish Agency brought his mother, Gondria, to the funeral, where it was revealed that Yesmao had a 6-year-old son, born while he was in Gondar awaiting immigration. The boy came for the memorial service on the first anniversary of his father's death. The authorities said he and his grandmother could stay, "but there was no one here to support them," Azmara says.

Its pretty much acknowledged in Israel that alot of Jews don't see Ethiopian Jews as true Jews, especially the radical Zionists.

 

[jillian]

Its pretty much acknowledged in Israel that alot of Jews don't see Ethiopian Jews as true Jews, especially the radical Zionists.

Really? When was the last time you were there? Just wondering.

And what percentage of Israelis are "radical zionists"?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Really? When was the last time you were there? Just wondering.

And what percentage of Israelis are "radical zionists"?

Been to the Holy Land once as a very small child so can't remember much about the place, but its well known Jews in Israel practice discrimination against Ethiopians and some even outright reject the Judaism of Ethiopian Jews. Not sure how big of a percentage radical Zionists are in Israel, but they have plenty of influence as indicated by their willingness to still settle parts of the disputed territory, eg, Golan Heights.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Furthermore what about Meir Sheetrit comments that Ethiopian Jews were not really Jewish? The ADL similarly tried to deny racism against Ethiopian Jews when it was discovered that blood donated by Ethiopian Jews was thrown out for fear of AIDS.

 

[jillian]

Been to the Holy Land once as a very small child so can't remember much about the place, but its well known Jews in Israel practice discrimination against Ethiopians and some even outright reject the Judaism of Ethiopian Jews. Not sure how big of a percentage radical Zionists are in Israel, but they have plenty of influence as indicated by their willingness to still settle parts of the disputed territory, eg, Golan Heights.

I can't see how it's "well known" that Jews in Israel practice discrimination against Ethiopians. I'm pretty sure it's not perfect, but it's not perfect here for blacks, is it? Or should Israel be perfect where no one else is?

What I can say is when I was there in March, I saw an awful lot of Falasha in mixed groups, black and white, not exactly a scientific sampling, but it was my observation. Israel was also the only country to take in Darfur refugees. (except for a group that tried to come in illegally from Egypt).

Gee... they really suck,.

As for the Golan Heights. I think you already know that Israel has been very active in closing down settlements. But the Golan can't ever go back to Syria in any event. Israel has also been very quick to give back land when a true peace agreement is reached as they did with Egypt.... if, of course, they have a true partner with whom to negotiate peace.

It always amuses me that when Israel wins land after being attacked, it's always "disputed"... according to the rest of the world. Perhaps if people didn't attack Israel, they wouldn't lose land?

 

[jillian]

Furthermore what about Meir Sheetrit comments that Ethiopian Jews were not really Jewish? The ADL similarly tried to deny racism against Ethiopian Jews when it was discovered that blood donated by Ethiopian Jews was thrown out for fear of AIDS.

What about him? We don't have our wingnuts here? Do you attribute Dick Cheney's wacko views to "Americans" or do you attribute them to Dick Cheney and his wingnuts?

I don't know anything about money from Ethiopian Jews being thrown out by the ADL. I googled that and found nothing. If you had a link, I'd be interested.