R.E.Lee Statue Vandalized by BLM/Antifa Communist

[EvilCat Breath]

He led the Army of Northern Virginia to support Virgina's secession and the formation of a new nation over a 10th Amendment argument.

Horseshit. He was a slave owner who wanted to keep owning his slaves.

We don't change history for perceived future gains. History is if anything a reminder.

Quite right. So let's remind ourselves of the right thing.

Assholes who fought so a few rich people could keep owing other people do not deserve statues or streets named after them. Their names should be in a book of villainy where they belong.

The Germans got this right, which is why you don't see statues of Goebbels or streets named after Goering. today.

Lee? He wasn't a slave owner. As a lifelong military man he had no need of slaves. His wife freed all her slaves. Within five years of his father in law's death all of his slaves had been freed.

Robert E. Lee believed exactly the same way as Abraham Lincoln. Return the slaves to Africa.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Is George Washington next?

All Egyptian antiquities should be hauled out of museums and burned for enslaving my ancestors! Who's with me, lets march on the British Museum!

The British should paint themselves blue and declare war on Italy for the Roman occupation.

 

[Lysistrata]

All of this Robert E. Lee stuff should be put in a museum. It's the public display that is the problem. It gives him too much honor that is not in keeping with his actions, and it is offensive to the people he fought to keep enslaved. A museum would be nice.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Yes. A museum dedicated to Union economic oppression and atrocity would be appropriate.

If Lincoln had not been assassinated we would not have any black people who descended from slaves in this country today.

But it's not too late.

 

[Geaux4it]

Is George Washington next?

Not a stretch. Even Austin Texas is considering changing the city name since the word 'Austin' has ties to slavery

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

All of this Robert E. Lee stuff should be put in a museum. It's the public display that is the problem. It gives him too much honor that is not in keeping with his actions, and it is offensive to the people he fought to keep enslaved. A museum would be nice.

No it shouldn't

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

if you educate yourself with intellectual honesty and integrity you will find out differently.

100 years of "Lost Cause" revisionism? No thanks.

Lee, Robert E. and Slavery

But even if Lee owned few slaves in his own name, he became part of a large slaveholding household when he married Mary Anna Randolph Custis in 1831. Mary Custis Lee was the only surviving child of George Washington Parke Custis, the grandson of Martha Washington and the owner of three major plantations—Arlington, overlooking the Potomac River in the District of Columbia, and Romancocke on the Pamunkey River and White House on the York River—and 198 slaves by the 1850s. Thereafter, Lee had little need to acquire slaves himself, and the family's summer-vacation peregrinations to visit various relatives included, according to one 1839 account, "a squad of children, Negroes, horses, and dogs." On the other hand, the various postings to which Lee was ordered after his marriage did not accommodate large numbers of slaves, especially in the North. In 1840 Lee was stationed in Saint Louis, where he was in charge of a multiyear project to dredge the Mississippi River ship channel. That year the federal census lists him as owning twenty-two slaves, but it is more likely that these were enslaved laborers hired by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for the dredging project. In a letter to his wife, dated April 18, 1841, Lee noted that his quarters at Fort Hamilton in New York harbor offered "poor encouragement about Servants," since "every one seems to attend to their own matters." In 1850, when Lee was assigned to Baltimore to begin the construction of Fort Carroll, a census taker only itemized three "mulattoes" as household slaves, all of them drawn from the Arlington slave population.

 

[JoeB131]

Lee? He wasn't a slave owner. As a lifelong military man he had no need of slaves. His wife freed all her slaves. Within five years of his father in law's death all of his slaves had been freed.

Robert E. Lee believed exactly the same way as Abraham Lincoln. Return the slaves to Africa.

Wrong on all counts... maybe you should stick to finger painting.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Lee? He wasn't a slave owner. As a lifelong military man he had no need of slaves. His wife freed all her slaves. Within five years of his father in law's death all of his slaves had been freed.

Robert E. Lee believed exactly the same way as Abraham Lincoln. Return the slaves to Africa.

Wrong on all counts... maybe you should stick to finger painting.

I am not responsible for your being brain dead.

Lee, Robert E. and Slavery

I really despise the left.

Would a Hitler rebirth really be so bad if he cleaned out the democrats?

 

[OODA_Loop]

if you educate yourself with intellectual honesty and integrity you will find out differently.

100 years of "Lost Cause" revisionism? No thanks.

Lee, Robert E. and Slavery

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From your provided link:

Lee was never an enthusiast for chattel slavery. He had only a small legal involvement of his own in the institution and generally tolerated it as part of the give and take of the prewar southern landscape. When it became apparent that Confederate survival depended on jettisoning slavery, he was willing to do so.

 

[DJT for Life]

the confederate statues in NOLA have been removed, yet the crime and poverty rates continue as does the incompetence of the mayor and city council.

I would be willing to bet that 90% of those screaming about the statues don't even know who these men were or what they believed.

they even wanted to remove Andrew Jackson's statue in Jackson square. I guess they don't know that he had nothing to do with the civil war and was a hero of the war of independence from England--------------but he was an old white guy, so that's enough.

The country would be better off if we removed the blacks from the city and
kept the statues.

 

[BertramN]

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It must be damned difficult for the idiot trump’s Nazis to decide which flag to wrap themselves in from one day to the next. There is the Russian flag, which has become a recent favorite among them, since the idiot trump was convinced by Putin (wink, wink) that Russian hackers did NOT interfere with the 2016 election:

Then there is their traditionally oldest pride and joy, the Confederate flag:

But best of all they like the Swastika from Nazi Germany, which the idiot trump has freed them to display proudly:

However, through all of this, the idiot trump’s Nazis’ convoluted logic still permits them to believe they are U.S, patriots, who are angered when the U.S, flag is disrespected.

Now, the idiot trump’s Nazis are complaining a memorial to the losing general of the War Between the States has been vandalized. After all none of the idiot trump’s Nazis would ever dream of damaging a memorial to anyone’s memory. (yeah, right.)

Everyone knows the blatant racism of his mindless minions the idiot trump released upon the nation. So their whining about the vandalizing of any memorial to past traitors to the U.S., once again proves their abject stupidity. Not to mention the Nazis’ ever-present hypocrisy.

In this thread, like most others, the idiot trump’s Nazis are boasting of their great knowledge of history, which is natural, since they believe they are experts in all subjects. (See: The Dunning-Kruger Effect [or Why Stupid People Think They Are Smart] The Dunning-Kruger Effect Shows Why Some People Think They're Great Even When Their Work Is Terrible )

But, does the idiot trump’s Nazis’ “vast" knowledge contain the history of Emmett Till? Not likely.

So, to add to the Nazis’ self-proclaimed knowledge of everything, Emmett Till was an African-American teen from Chicago, who in 1955, was visiting family in Money, Mississippi, just a month after his fourteenth birthday.

On August 24, while at Bryant's Grocery & Meat Market in Money, he was accused by Carolyn Bryant, of whistling at her and making verbal and physical advances. Bryant was white.

Four days later, Emmett was murdered by the white woman’s husband Roy Bryant and his half-brother J.W. Milam. After the men beat him to death, they wound barbed wire around his neck using it to tie a 75-pound cotton-gin fan to his body, they then rolled his body into the Tallahatchie River.

Within a day after Till's disappearance, both Bryant and Milam had been arrested for his abduction. Both men admitted to taking Till from Wright's home, but insisted that they let him go in Money. Despite much evidence and of their guilt provided by the prosecution during their trial, the all-white jury found them “not guilty” after an hour of deliberation.

On August 28, 1955 Emmett Till was kidnapped and murdered by Bryant and Milam. They were arrested the next day, and by September 23, less than a month after the murder, Bryant and Milam were acquitted. It was gratifying moment for white supremacists.

However, knowing they were safe due to double jeopardy, Bryant and Milam eagerly accepted $3,500 from Look magazine for their story in early 1956, where, they admitted their guilt and described their crime.

Till's shocking murder became national and then international news after his mother insisted on an open-casket funeral so the world could see what happened to her son. Photographs of Till's battered face ran in the black press, and tens of thousands of Chicago mourners filed past his coffin over a five-day period. This inspired Rosa Parks’ December 1, 1955 refusal to give up her seat to a white man on a bus in Montgomery, Alabama.

So that gratifying moment for white supremacists, that was short lived when the world learned of Bryant’s and Milam’s boast. Coupled with their Look article, the open casket funeral of Emmett Till, and Rosa Parks’ actions in Alabama, the Civil Rights movement in the United States was jump-started.

In the book written by Timothy Tyson, The Blood of Emmett Till, published in January 2017, the author reports that during interviews, Carolyn Bryant recanted her testimony, admitting that Till had never touched, threatened or harassed her. “Nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him,” she said.

Last month another of several monuments to Emmett Till was vandalized. It is the third to be erected in the location where his body was found. Weeks earlier, the monument to Till at the former location of the Bryant’s Grocery Store in Money, Mississippi was vandalized. Other locations in a total of eight monuments and memorials to Emmett Till include the Sumner Court House where the trial of his murderers was held, and is now Emmett Till Interpretive Center, the Emmett Till Historic Intrepid Center in Glendora, and there is a smartphone app that will lead to fifty-one other sites of interest concerning Till’s death.

The idiot trump’s cowardly Nazis are doing their racist best to wreck the monuments, but rational people across the nation and around the world will continue to repair them. Where as, the vandals who damage or destroy monuments to traitors to the United States, they are doing this country and its people a favor, despite the whining by the idiot trump’s Nazi supporters.

Just 35 days after being replaced, Emmett Till sign hit with bullets

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[EvilCat Breath]

Liberals today give Nazis a good name.

 

[candycorn]

" Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our conversation; we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history; we’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation to provide the kind of future we all want desperately for our children."

- Michelle Obama

And why is this bad?

Look, here's the thing, if they were making up shit like, "Robert E. Lee ate black babies for Breakfast with some mint julips on the veranda", then you might have a point here.

Pointing out that he led a treasonous army in a futile war to perpetuate slavery... um, yeah, that's actually what happened.

The problem isn't what history says, it's that a false narrative is already out there about the "Lost Cause" of the "War Between the States" so that Southern Whites could feel better about themselves.

There is that but you also wonder where it stops....

The same people that are in love with statues of traitors can be seen cheering when an alternative energy company fails or when little Hispanic kids get ripped out of their parent's arms for no reason.

It is a stance taken simply because it "sticks it" to someone.

 

[JoeB131]

I am not responsible for your being brain dead.

Lee, Robert E. and Slavery

I really despise the left.

Would a Hitler rebirth really be so bad if he cleaned out the democrats?

This was the same link I posted that showed Lee owned slaves...

Oh, never mind.

Again, go back to finger painting, it seems to be your talent.

 

[JoeB131]

From your provided link:

Lee was never an enthusiast for chattel slavery. He had only a small legal involvement of his own in the institution and generally tolerated it as part of the give and take of the prewar southern landscape. When it became apparent that Confederate survival depended on jettisoning slavery, he was willing to do so.

Oh, he owned slaves, but he felt kind of bad about it? Really? Is this your argument?

 

[OODA_Loop]

From your provided link:

Lee was never an enthusiast for chattel slavery. He had only a small legal involvement of his own in the institution and generally tolerated it as part of the give and take of the prewar southern landscape. When it became apparent that Confederate survival depended on jettisoning slavery, he was willing to do so.

Oh, he owned slaves, but he felt kind of bad about it? Really? Is this your argument?

Slavery was legal. It wasn't his motivating force for disunion. The 10th AMND was.

 

[JoeB131]

Slavery was legal. It wasn't his motivating force for disunion. The 10th AMND was.

Wonderful Historical revisionism, buddy. But Lee was another slave-raping asshole who just couldn't stand the thought of someone taking away his slaves.

Should have put him, Davis and every other traitor at the end of a rope.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Slavery was legal. It wasn't his motivating force for disunion. The 10th AMND was.

Wonderful Historical revisionism, buddy. But Lee was another slave-raping asshole who just couldn't stand the thought of someone taking away his slaves.

Should have put him, Davis and every other traitor at the end of a rope.

What specifically is revisionist ?

 

[JoeB131]

What specifically is revisionist ?

That the Civil War was about anything but Slavery.