Quid Pro Quo

[the other mike]

Lock him up!

Finally we agree on something.

 

[Faun]

Again you are simply confused by the lies fed to you by Trump and his Right Wing lie machine.

Do you think you have the right to confront witnesses when you are being investigated by the police for burglary?...

Of course. After studying their claims about your conduct, the attorney takes their deposition and under an adversarial process asks them very tough questions so that all may assess their credibility.

... Do you think you have the right to confront witnesses when a Grand Jury is investigating
White House Letter Distorts Both Law and History on Impeachment...

Do you think one goes directly from Grand Jury referral to trial?

...the right to confront witnesses, call witnesses, and be represented by counsel...the whole procedure is constitutionally invalid and can be ignored with impunity...

It can be ignored because the House has not voted on inquiry. If they had, the Republicans would have already assured Trump of his inherent rights to confront witnesses, call witnesses to rebut them or to make points of his own and of course to be represented by counsel. To have his counsel present at the deposition of witnesses to cross examine them under an adversarial process that allows weaknesses to be uncovered.

The Senate Trial is going to a great education for the American People. They are going to learn that the folks who illegally spied on him and then spent 3 years trying to illegally drive him from office are working hand in glove with the folks who impeached him, who claimed they could do so in secret, depose witnesses without the involvement of Trump's legal team and believe that Trump's right to confront witnesses against him could be violated in secret precedents in the House basement. All these deluded folks think they have the power to undo an election if they disagree with the outcome.

The American People are going to be shocked at just how out of your mind you guys are.

...The BILL OF RIGHTS IS NOT AT ISSUE...

Have fun making that claim to the American People and the US Senate. It's an open admission that you guys have raped his rights. Our rights are not provided by the Bill of Rights, they are recognized by the Bill of Rights. We held these rights long before the Constitution recognized them.

... is just impeachment...

That will be another fun point to watch you guys make. It's JUST impeachment, as if overturning the election of The President Of The United States is just a minor issue, so minor, that you can't just wait a matter of months and let the Electorate decide who the President will be. But you see, we all know why you won't wait for the electorate. You think The Electorate made the "wrong" choice last time, so hey, they could make the "wrong" choice again!

A vile bitterly deranged group of partisans are misusing the impeachment process to attack the Electoral Process, because they do not agree with The American Electorate about who should be The President of The United States. This is a tremendous violation of their constitutional oath.

Folks don't know how crazy you folks are, we are doing you a favor in warning you that you really shouldn't do this, because there will not be any hiding it any longer. But hey, no danger in warning you, we know you won't listen, SO BY ALL MEANS, CONTINUE!

... JFC, it's like history started for you in 2016. And Scottish law. You're killing me. Who writes your stuff? Hanpatty. LOL

Now that's funny. Everyone with brain knows about this. And you who are ignorant, claim I'm ignorant, based on your ignorance of what the entire nation saw during the Senate vote during the Clinton Impeachment trial.

A vile bitterly deranged group of partisans are misusing the impeachment process to attack the Electoral Process, because they do not agree with The American Electorate about who should be The President of The United States. This is a tremendous violation of their constitutional oath.

Impeachment is every bit as Constitutional as Trump's electoral college electoral win.

Properly done, of course.

There is no good reason for the secrecy. An impeachment inquiry is vastly different from a grand jury investigation in its nature and purpose.

Grand jury investigations are criminal inquiries in anticipation of prosecution in judicial courts. They do not focus on the actions of public officials – except in comparatively rare public corruption investigations, and even in those cases the issue is the alleged criminal behavior, not the status of the suspect.

Under our fundamental principles, Americans are presumed innocent until proven guilty of a criminal offense after a trial or guilty plea, with all the due process protections that apply. If grand jury proceedings were public, it would undermine the presumption of innocence by suggesting that law enforcement officials believed the suspect was guilty.

Moreover, our jurisprudence holds that in a criminal case, the court is entitled to every person’s evidence. If a witness possesses information relevant to a criminal investigation, our law allows prosecutors to issue a subpoena compelling the witness to provide testimony and produce documents and other physical evidence. Grand jury secrecy promotes the fulfillment of this obligation by witnesses who might otherwise defy subpoenas out of fear of retribution from violent criminals.

An impeachment inquiry is nothing like this.

An impeachment inquiry is exactly like this. It is not a criminal investigation though it is most like a Grand Jury

It's nothing like a Grand Jury.

Grand juries are presumptively impartial. This is a political inquest conducted by partisans. There is no pretense of objectivity. And the Trump impeachment inquiry is as partisan as it gets. Does anyone believe that Adam Schiff is an impartial factfinder? We are talking, remember, about the same Adam Schiff who started the Trump presidency spouting allegations from the farcical Steele dossier, and more recently started his impeachment proceedings with a caricature of the Trump-Zelensky phone call that was too farcical for a Grade-C mob movie script.

No one is going to mistake this for anything other than what it is, an ongoing farce by folks that did not accept the 2016 election and are hoping that this farce will help them with the 2020 election, because we can all see that the House hasn't done a damn thing with their majority to help the nation. They have only focused on trying to remove Trump.

That's not much of an agenda when the upcoming election is about whether we keep Trump. We would have been much better served had the House worked for the People and let the Electorate decide whether Trump will serve another term, because that is who will make the decision anyway. The House has wasted all of this year, and likely the next, rather than working for The American People.

"It's nothing like a Grand Jury. Grand juries are presumptively impartial."

You're fucking deranged.

A Grand Jury couldn't be more partial. There's no defense. There's no judge. It's all prosecution presenting "evidence" to convince the Grand Jury to indict the defendant.

No wonder you're so confused by everything going on.

 

[Faun]

Lock him up!

Finally we agree on something.

LOLOLOL

Obama's not facing charges.

Trump?

Lock him up!

 

[Faun]

A vile bitterly deranged group of partisans are misusing the impeachment process to attack the Electoral Process, because they do not agree with The American Electorate about who should be The President of The United States. This is a tremendous violation of their constitutional oath.

Impeachment is every bit as Constitutional as Trump's electoral college electoral win.

Properly done, of course.

There is no good reason for the secrecy. An impeachment inquiry is vastly different from a grand jury investigation in its nature and purpose.

Grand jury investigations are criminal inquiries in anticipation of prosecution in judicial courts. They do not focus on the actions of public officials – except in comparatively rare public corruption investigations, and even in those cases the issue is the alleged criminal behavior, not the status of the suspect.

Under our fundamental principles, Americans are presumed innocent until proven guilty of a criminal offense after a trial or guilty plea, with all the due process protections that apply. If grand jury proceedings were public, it would undermine the presumption of innocence by suggesting that law enforcement officials believed the suspect was guilty.

Moreover, our jurisprudence holds that in a criminal case, the court is entitled to every person’s evidence. If a witness possesses information relevant to a criminal investigation, our law allows prosecutors to issue a subpoena compelling the witness to provide testimony and produce documents and other physical evidence. Grand jury secrecy promotes the fulfillment of this obligation by witnesses who might otherwise defy subpoenas out of fear of retribution from violent criminals.

An impeachment inquiry is nothing like this.

An impeachment inquiry is exactly like this. It is not a criminal investigation though it is most like a Grand Jury

It's nothing like a Grand Jury.

Grand juries are presumptively impartial. This is a political inquest conducted by partisans. There is no pretense of objectivity. And the Trump impeachment inquiry is as partisan as it gets. Does anyone believe that Adam Schiff is an impartial factfinder? We are talking, remember, about the same Adam Schiff who started the Trump presidency spouting allegations from the farcical Steele dossier, and more recently started his impeachment proceedings with a caricature of the Trump-Zelensky phone call that was too farcical for a Grade-C mob movie script.

No one is going to mistake this for anything other than what it is, an ongoing farce by folks that did not accept the 2016 election and are hoping that this farce will help them with the 2020 election, because we can all see that the House hasn't done a damn thing with their majority to help the nation. They have only focused on trying to remove Trump.

That's not much of an agenda when the upcoming election is about whether we keep Trump. We would have been much better served had the House worked for the People and let the Electorate decide whether Trump will serve another term, because that is who will make the decision anyway. The House has wasted all of this year, and likely the next, rather than working for The American People.

And there is no trial going on.

Impeachment is not a trial.

I can't repeat it often enough

Nope. Not even an impeachment inquiry, just a farce. Just play at impeachment, but do nothing of substance. It may seem a silly trajectory, but what are the alternatives in a 3.5 percent unemployment economy—and possible “bombshells” coming from prosecutors William Barr, John Durham, or Michael Horowitz?

What else are Democrats going to do? Introduce in the House legislation to enact the Green New Deal? The wealth tax? Reparations? Health care for illegal aliens? Open borders? Abolish $1.6 trillion in student debt? Or sit back and see whether Andrew McCabe, James Comey, or James Clapper might get indicted in a month or so?

Instead we get the daily venting and screaming without doing anything at all about the ogre Trump under the guise of exhaustively pondering impeachment inquiries, impeachment voting, impeachment hearings, and impeachment verdicts.

They offer no alternative agenda to Trump’s issues that for the most part poll far higher than what we have seen on the Democratic candidate debate stage. After the Mueller implosion they are focused on smear and slander. Impeachment is just a construct to amplify the daily invective.

Get over it.

 

[Faun]

Frankly that is just an admission that you have no fucking clue what the Constitution says.

That you think that your Messiah somehow has 'rights' in an Impeachment that are not afforded to any defendant in any criminal investigation just shows how much kool aid you have drunk

The White House demands that the House afford Mr. Trump the rights to confront witnesses, call witnesses, and be represented by counsel. And it claims that unless the House yields to these demands, the whole procedure is constitutionally invalid and can be ignored with impunity. But of course, thousands of defendants are indicted every day by federal grand juries in which those defendants have no right to call or confront witnesses or to be represented by counsel. To suggest that “due process” requires that a president facing only loss of office get more rights at the accusatory stage than a criminal defendant facing loss of liberty or even life is not only constitutionally unsupportable, but ludicrous.

What is happening now is an investigation. Not an impeachment.

Until you understand that.....well hell......you will never understand that....

It's simply not true. Schiff is fictionalizing again with his claims that impeachment is "like" a grand jury, it's nothing of the sort.

Impeachment is solely about political accountability. It is a quintessentially public question.

Grand juries, moreover, are presumptively impartial. The grand jury exists as a constitutional protection: Before the state may charge an American with a crime, it must satisfy a body of objective citizens that there is sufficient evidence (probable cause) to proceed to trial.

In marked contrast, this impeachment inquiry is a political inquest conducted by partisans. There is no pretense of objectivity, this impeachment inquiry is as partisan as it gets. No one is enough of a moron to believe that Adam Schiff is an impartial fact-finder. This is the same clown who started the Trump presidency spouting allegations from the farcical Steele dossier, and more recently started his impeachment proceedings with a caricature of the Trump-Zelensky phone call that was too farcical for a Grade-C mob movie script.

Schiff has no response to this. What response could he have, since it could not be more obvious that his impeachment inquiry, which still has not been endorsed by a vote of the full House, is nothing like a grand jury investigation?

So he offers a different rationalization: The witness interviews need to be secret to prevent administration officials from getting their story straight by hearing each other’s version of events before testifying. The implication, of course, is that the public officials he is summoning would otherwise commit perjury, clearly no presumption of innocence, there.

As Schiff well knows, secrecy does not prevent witnesses from comparing notes outside the hearing. Even in criminal investigations, where grand jury secrecy applies, witnesses commonly form joint defense agreements which enable them to share notes about what the investigators are asking.

Andrew McCarthy: Americans deserve a public impeachment inquiry – Schiff and Dems should end the secrecy

....Trump is not having any of his 'rights' being denied- any more than con-man...

I see you have no difficulty with the presumption of innocence!

... who is being investigated by a Grand Jury...

Impeachment is nothing like a Grand Jury.

How the House handles the impeachment is for the House itself to decide...

The Whole House. Your problem is the secret underhanded process that violates Trump's rights discredits impeachment an important check on the Judiciary and the Executive Branch.

Impeachment cannot be a 'coupe' because it is provided for in our Constitution. It is not an 'ursurptoin of an election because again- it is provided for in the Constitution...

You are rendering it ineffective by denying the president and the Republican minority due process rights to cross-examine and subpoena witnesses.

Instead, you refuse to vote, hide behind closed doors, withhold key documents and testimony, and provide their media friends with selectively skewed leaks. It's very ugly what you are doing and it not only will not work, it weakens a constitutional check that helps secure our Liberty.

... goes onto the Senate ...

They aren't going to impeach him based on the Dem's shameful kangaroo court.

... Would this Senate vote to impeach a Nixon or a Trump ...

With Courtroom Quality Evidence, proving beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty that the individual in front of them was guilty of treason, bribery or other high crimes? Absolutely. The vote would likely be 100-0

This Senate would only impeach Trump if they felt that they would get booted out of office otherwise- they would not vote to impeach Nixon or Trump at this point.

Again- this is impeachment. Trump's rights are not being 'violated'. It is not a trial.

And since you can't seem to understand that....well I can't help you much.

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These rights are inherent, and yes, we also enjoy them in criminal trials, and civil actions as well. The American People understand these concepts, they also know why things are done in secret in basements.

Only Democrats would plan to impeach a president on the basis of a “whistleblower” who will not come forward, who is a Democrat partisan, who worked for a current Democratic presidential candidate, who contrary to the whistleblower statutes went first to the Democratic Chairman of what is now the impeachment inquiry committee, Adam Schiff, also chair of the Intelligence Committee, and whose formal complaint was prepped by Democrat-affiliated lawyers. The whistleblower claims second-hand knowledge from leaking White House Staffers who heard a confidential Trump conversation—a conversation whose transcript was immediately released and was at odds in key places with the whistleblower’s second- and third-hand versions.

This is an impeachment inquiry . It's neither a criminal nor a civil matter. As always, you are thoroughly confused.

 

[U2Edge]

Lock him up!

Finally we agree on something.

LOLOLOL

Obama's not facing charges.

Trump?

Lock him up!

I agree, LOCK HIM UP!

 

[Zorro!]

Here is a great and easy to read copy of Ambassador Bill Taylor's 15-page opening statement:

Read the full transcript here.

Thank you for the link. I have apparently used up my free NYT articles for the month and I'm not paying those bastards anything.

Did find this though:

Impeachment Will Fail.

The Democrats are being led by a coalition of constitutional renegades, political tricksters, and would-be Maduros. They are speeding over a political cliff. The force of gravity will assert itself.

Washington insiders whatever side they are on, and the Democrat leadership are determined to force an impeachment trial of the president. A further bleat from the vanishing NeverTrumpers, led by Pierre Delecto, claim that large chunks of Republican loyalty in Congress are starting to peel off and desert the president.

All polls show Republican opinion in the country is rock solid behind the president —the economy, declining illegal immigration, and his delivery on election promises—all show that he will be reelected easily. U.S. Representative Al Green (D-Texas) embodies the derangement, he says that if Trump isn’t impeached, he will be reelected. But impeachment will be a complete failure, and he will be reelected anyway.

Whatever the Republican congressional delegations think of Trump, he has the rank-and-file Republican public behind him as only a few Republican presidents have: Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon at his strongest, and Reagan. Apart from a few ostentatiously pseudo-conscientious senators such as Mitt Romney (R-Utah), the Republican senators can’t desert him in the absence of serious evidence of his wrongdoing, and there is none.

The Democrats and their Republican kindred spirits in the Washington establishment, having completely failed to see Trump coming, and after complacently assuming they could jettison him on the Russian scam, relying on the slavish allies in the national political media, now realize their backs are to the wall and this is their last play.

It won’t work, and while they are trying to execute it, prominent figures of the previous administration will be arraigned for cooking up the Russian collusion fiction and inflicting it on the country by corrupting the FBI and intelligence services. This will not be an optimal ambiance for trying to remove a president who hasn’t broken any laws.

 

[Lesh]

With every passing day we see what an incompetent criminal we have sitting in the Oval Office.

We can not get him out of there soon enough

 

[bendog]

Here is a great and easy to read copy of Ambassador Bill Taylor's 15-page opening statement:

Read the full transcript here.

Thank you for the link. I have apparently used up my free NYT articles for the month and I'm not paying those bastards anything.

Did find this though:

Impeachment Will Fail.

The Democrats are being led by a coalition of constitutional renegades, political tricksters, and would-be Maduros. They are speeding over a political cliff. The force of gravity will assert itself.

Washington insiders whatever side they are on, and the Democrat leadership are determined to force an impeachment trial of the president. A further bleat from the vanishing NeverTrumpers, led by Pierre Delecto, claim that large chunks of Republican loyalty in Congress are starting to peel off and desert the president.

All polls show Republican opinion in the country is rock solid behind the president —the economy, declining illegal immigration, and his delivery on election promises—all show that he will be reelected easily. U.S. Representative Al Green (D-Texas) embodies the derangement, he says that if Trump isn’t impeached, he will be reelected. But impeachment will be a complete failure, and he will be reelected anyway.

Whatever the Republican congressional delegations think of Trump, he has the rank-and-file Republican public behind him as only a few Republican presidents have: Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon at his strongest, and Reagan. Apart from a few ostentatiously pseudo-conscientious senators such as Mitt Romney (R-Utah), the Republican senators can’t desert him in the absence of serious evidence of his wrongdoing, and there is none.

The Democrats and their Republican kindred spirits in the Washington establishment, having completely failed to see Trump coming, and after complacently assuming they could jettison him on the Russian scam, relying on the slavish allies in the national political media, now realize their backs are to the wall and this is their last play.

It won’t work, and while they are trying to execute it, prominent figures of the previous administration will be arraigned for cooking up the Russian collusion fiction and inflicting it on the country by corrupting the FBI and intelligence services. This will not be an optimal ambiance for trying to remove a president who hasn’t broken any laws.

Nixon!!?? You need to stay away from whatever site you cut and pasted THAT from. roflmao

 

[basquebromance]

You can’t have a quid pro quo with no quo

 

[Zorro!]

Here is a great and easy to read copy of Ambassador Bill Taylor's 15-page opening statement:

Read the full transcript here.

Thank you for the link. I have apparently used up my free NYT articles for the month and I'm not paying those bastards anything.

Did find this though:

Impeachment Will Fail.

The Democrats are being led by a coalition of constitutional renegades, political tricksters, and would-be Maduros. They are speeding over a political cliff. The force of gravity will assert itself.

Washington insiders whatever side they are on, and the Democrat leadership are determined to force an impeachment trial of the president. A further bleat from the vanishing NeverTrumpers, led by Pierre Delecto, claim that large chunks of Republican loyalty in Congress are starting to peel off and desert the president.

All polls show Republican opinion in the country is rock solid behind the president —the economy, declining illegal immigration, and his delivery on election promises—all show that he will be reelected easily. U.S. Representative Al Green (D-Texas) embodies the derangement, he says that if Trump isn’t impeached, he will be reelected. But impeachment will be a complete failure, and he will be reelected anyway.

Whatever the Republican congressional delegations think of Trump, he has the rank-and-file Republican public behind him as only a few Republican presidents have: Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon at his strongest, and Reagan. Apart from a few ostentatiously pseudo-conscientious senators such as Mitt Romney (R-Utah), the Republican senators can’t desert him in the absence of serious evidence of his wrongdoing, and there is none.

The Democrats and their Republican kindred spirits in the Washington establishment, having completely failed to see Trump coming, and after complacently assuming they could jettison him on the Russian scam, relying on the slavish allies in the national political media, now realize their backs are to the wall and this is their last play.

It won’t work, and while they are trying to execute it, prominent figures of the previous administration will be arraigned for cooking up the Russian collusion fiction and inflicting it on the country by corrupting the FBI and intelligence services. This will not be an optimal ambiance for trying to remove a president who hasn’t broken any laws.

Nixon!!?? You need to stay away from whatever site you cut and pasted THAT from. roflmao

"Nixon at his strongest"

He took every state but MA

 

[lennypartiv]

Obama's not facing charges.
Trump? Lock him up!

AG Barr is not done with his investigation yet.

 

[basquebromance]

if you dont like Trump, beat him in the election! its only 1 year away!

 

[lennypartiv]

if you dont like Trump, beat him in the election! its only 1 year away!

Dems know they can't beat Trump.

 

[Zorro!]

We have active investigations in progress OF the Intelligence Community. The Intelligence Community reports to Donald Trump, not the other way around.

Politically motivated investigations trying to prove Russian propaganda...

Wonderful

No. Actually they are investigating to determine how Russian Disinformation resulted in illegal spying on the Trump campaign

What illegal spying on the Trump campaign?

All of it. When you lie to FISC to get a FISA warrant, the spying that results is illegal.

What lies to get the FISA warrant?

Illegal Spying By Corrupt FBI

Today the FISA court published the declassified and redacted version of a two-page order on the Carter Page FISA warrants (embedded at link.) “At least” two of the four warrants approved by the FISA court lacked probable cause and were therefore illegal. Rulings have not yet been issued on the other 2.

This court order provides a timely reminder that the biggest scandal in American political history implicates the Obama administration, not the Trump administration. Adam Schiff, now presenting the case for Trump’s removal from office, made his bones obstructing the investigation of, and lying about, that particular scandal — the scandal of which President Trump was the intended victim. The unraveling of the scandal proceeds offstage and out of the spotlight.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Politically motivated investigations trying to prove Russian propaganda...

Wonderful

No. Actually they are investigating to determine how Russian Disinformation resulted in illegal spying on the Trump campaign

What illegal spying on the Trump campaign?

All of it. When you lie to FISC to get a FISA warrant, the spying that results is illegal.

What lies to get the FISA warrant?

Illegal Spying By Corrupt FBI

Today the FISA court published the declassified and redacted version of a two-page order on the Carter Page FISA warrants (embedded at link.) “At least” two of the four warrants approved by the FISA court lacked probable cause and were therefore illegal. Rulings have not yet been issued on the other 2.

This court order provides a timely reminder that the biggest scandal in American political history implicates the Obama administration, not the Trump administration. Adam Schiff, now presenting the case for Trump’s removal from office, made his bones obstructing the investigation of, and lying about, that particular scandal — the scandal of which President Trump was the intended victim. The unraveling of the scandal proceeds offstage and out of the spotlight.

Meh. We tried a Coup..and failed, this time. We promise to do better next time. Trump and Republicans won't be President forever

 

[sealybobo]

Politically motivated investigations trying to prove Russian propaganda...

Wonderful

No. Actually they are investigating to determine how Russian Disinformation resulted in illegal spying on the Trump campaign

What illegal spying on the Trump campaign?

All of it. When you lie to FISC to get a FISA warrant, the spying that results is illegal.

What lies to get the FISA warrant?

Illegal Spying By Corrupt FBI

Today the FISA court published the declassified and redacted version of a two-page order on the Carter Page FISA warrants (embedded at link.) “At least” two of the four warrants approved by the FISA court lacked probable cause and were therefore illegal. Rulings have not yet been issued on the other 2.

This court order provides a timely reminder that the biggest scandal in American political history implicates the Obama administration, not the Trump administration. Adam Schiff, now presenting the case for Trump’s removal from office, made his bones obstructing the investigation of, and lying about, that particular scandal — the scandal of which President Trump was the intended victim. The unraveling of the scandal proceeds offstage and out of the spotlight.

Who runs the department of Justice? Barr? And you believe his findings? He was part of the scandal where they were pressuring Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden. This guy has no credibility.

When the Mueller Report was released in April 2019, it described Page's testimony about his role in the 2016 Trump campaign and connections to individuals in Russia as contradictory and confusing, and his contacts with Russians before and during the campaign as tangential and eccentric.[79] He was not charged with any crimes, though the report indicated there were unanswered questions about his actions and motives: "The investigation did not establish that Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election". However, with incomplete "evidence or testimony about who Page may have met or communicated with in Moscow", "Page's activities in Russia – as described in his emails with the [Trump campaign] – were not fully explained.

Carter Page - Wikipedia

 

[Zorro!]

No. Actually they are investigating to determine how Russian Disinformation resulted in illegal spying on the Trump campaign

What illegal spying on the Trump campaign?

All of it. When you lie to FISC to get a FISA warrant, the spying that results is illegal.

What lies to get the FISA warrant?

Illegal Spying By Corrupt FBI

Today the FISA court published the declassified and redacted version of a two-page order on the Carter Page FISA warrants (embedded at link.) “At least” two of the four warrants approved by the FISA court lacked probable cause and were therefore illegal. Rulings have not yet been issued on the other 2.

This court order provides a timely reminder that the biggest scandal in American political history implicates the Obama administration, not the Trump administration. Adam Schiff, now presenting the case for Trump’s removal from office, made his bones obstructing the investigation of, and lying about, that particular scandal — the scandal of which President Trump was the intended victim. The unraveling of the scandal proceeds offstage and out of the spotlight.

Meh. We tried a Coup..and failed, this time. We promise to do better next time. Trump and Republicans won't be President forever

Yup!
Murkowski: “Very Offended” Over Nadler’s “Cover-Up” Accusation.

Great job pissing off the jurors in this colossal waste of time.

Got essentially nothing else done during his time in the majority.​

The first rule of jury tampering is don’t, but the second rule is to tamper to make them sympathetic to your case. Yesterday, Fat Jerry Nadler accused Senate Republicans of taking part in a “cover up” in remarks that eventually drew a rebuke from presiding Chief Justice John Roberts. Rather than inspire moderates within the caucus, however, Nadler’s comments drew fire from one of the votes Democrats think might be within their reach — Lisa Murkowski, who was still steaming over Nadler’s insult hours later:

“I took it as very offensive. As one who is listening attentively and working hard to get to a fair process, I was offended,”​

Swing-vote Lisa Murkowski said of Fat Jerry's accusation of a GOP coverup.

Of all the Senate GOP votes Democrats could get, Murkowski’s was the most promising.

Was being the operative word, perhaps. Republicans quickly pointed out that attacking the jury before getting more than a few words into the opening of the case was not the brightest strategy in the world. Fake News USA Today presents it as a case of — what else? — Republicans pouncing:

Republicans quickly jumped on the admonishment, arguing Nadler attacked the jury and it would not bode well for Democrats who will have to convince at least four Republicans that additional witnesses and documents should be subpoenaed as part of the trial.

“They managed to alienate senators, attack their own jury,” said Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo. “If the point was to try to convince people, I think they’re off to a terrible start.” He added that house managers have “a lot of work to do, to try to win back over senators.”​

Bug-eyed Schiff refused to allow reporters to ask any questions of Fat Jerry. Fake News CNN’s Manu Raju tried to ask Fat Jerry about his eruption as Fat Jerry was present at the presser, but Bug-eyed Schiff shut him down.

Swing vote Lisa has likely seen and heard enough at that point to bring this circus to an end. And even if she hasn’t seen and heard enough, it’s likely that Susan Collins, Mitt Romney, and Cory Gardner will have.

Murkowski: "Very offended" over Nadler's "cover-up" accusation

 

[Syriusly]

What illegal spying on the Trump campaign?

All of it. When you lie to FISC to get a FISA warrant, the spying that results is illegal.

What lies to get the FISA warrant?

Illegal Spying By Corrupt FBI

Today the FISA court published the declassified and redacted version of a two-page order on the Carter Page FISA warrants (embedded at link.) “At least” two of the four warrants approved by the FISA court lacked probable cause and were therefore illegal. Rulings have not yet been issued on the other 2.

This court order provides a timely reminder that the biggest scandal in American political history implicates the Obama administration, not the Trump administration. Adam Schiff, now presenting the case for Trump’s removal from office, made his bones obstructing the investigation of, and lying about, that particular scandal — the scandal of which President Trump was the intended victim. The unraveling of the scandal proceeds offstage and out of the spotlight.

Meh. We tried a Coup..and failed, this time. We promise to do better next time. Trump and Republicans won't be President forever

Yup!
Murkowski: “Very Offended” Over Nadler’s “Cover-Up” Accusation.

Great job pissing off the jurors in this colossal waste of time.

Got essentially nothing else done during his time in the majority.​

The first rule of jury tampering is don’t, but the second rule is to tamper to make them sympathetic to your case. Yesterday, Fat Jerry Nadler accused Senate Republicans of taking part in a “cover up” in remarks that eventually drew a rebuke from presiding Chief Justice John Roberts. Rather than inspire moderates within the caucus, however, Nadler’s comments drew fire from one of the votes Democrats think might be within their reach — Lisa Murkowski, who was still steaming over Nadler’s insult hours later:

“I took it as very offensive. As one who is listening attentively and working hard to get to a fair process, I was offended,”​

Swing-vote Lisa Murkowski said of Fat Jerry's accusation of a GOP coverup.

Of all the Senate GOP votes Democrats could get, Murkowski’s was the most promising.

Was being the operative word, perhaps. Republicans quickly pointed out that attacking the jury before getting more than a few words into the opening of the case was not the brightest strategy in the world. Fake News USA Today presents it as a case of — what else? — Republicans pouncing:

Republicans quickly jumped on the admonishment, arguing Nadler attacked the jury and it would not bode well for Democrats who will have to convince at least four Republicans that additional witnesses and documents should be subpoenaed as part of the trial.

“They managed to alienate senators, attack their own jury,” said Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo. “If the point was to try to convince people, I think they’re off to a terrible start.” He added that house managers have “a lot of work to do, to try to win back over senators.”​

Bug-eyed Schiff refused to allow reporters to ask any questions of Fat Jerry. Fake News CNN’s Manu Raju tried to ask Fat Jerry about his eruption as Fat Jerry was present at the presser, but Bug-eyed Schiff shut him down.

Swing vote Lisa has likely seen and heard enough at that point to bring this circus to an end. And even if she hasn’t seen and heard enough, it’s likely that Susan Collins, Mitt Romney, and Cory Gardner will have.

Murkowski: "Very offended" over Nadler's "cover-up" accusation

Since most of the Republican Senators have already made up their mind- why would it matter if Nadler pointed out their participation in the cover up?

 

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No. Actually they are investigating to determine how Russian Disinformation resulted in illegal spying on the Trump campaign

What illegal spying on the Trump campaign?

All of it. When you lie to FISC to get a FISA warrant, the spying that results is illegal.

What lies to get the FISA warrant?

Illegal Spying By Corrupt FBI

Today the FISA court published the declassified and redacted version of a two-page order on the Carter Page FISA warrants (embedded at link.) “At least” two of the four warrants approved by the FISA court lacked probable cause and were therefore illegal. Rulings have not yet been issued on the other 2.

This court order provides a timely reminder that the biggest scandal in American political history implicates the Obama administration, not the Trump administration. Adam Schiff, now presenting the case for Trump’s removal from office, made his bones obstructing the investigation of, and lying about, that particular scandal — the scandal of which President Trump was the intended victim. The unraveling of the scandal proceeds offstage and out of the spotlight.

Meh. We tried a Coup..and failed, this time. We promise to do better next time. Trump and Republicans won't be President forever

Yeah- you are still pissed off that the Birther coup against Obama failed.