Questions for Conservatives

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  1. midcan5
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    I am often amazed at how consistent and similar conservatives are when it comes to a variety of issues. It is as if they all listen to the same reality show. So I am wondering if their reasons for believing the same things are the same too? There is one rule for answering, answers should not include the opposition.

    Why do conservatives believe global warming is a natural phenomenon and homosexuality is not a natural phenomenon? Neither is well understood.

    Why are conservatives abandoning George W. Bush? Did he not follow key conservative policy to reduce taxes, reduce government help, and increase the military?

    Why do conservatives question evolution?

    Why do conservatives believe in 'trickle down' economics, called 'supply side' today?

    Why are conservatives pro war, pro death penalty, but anti foreign aid and anti abortion?

    Why are conservatives anti public education?

    Why are conservatives anti affirmative action?

    Why do conservatives want to break down the separation between church and state?
     
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    I think you're really stereotyping a good bit here. I know plenty of conservatives who break this mold on at least several free points. Even so, you really shouldn't be all that surprised. Conservatism is an ideology afterall. Their common beliefs not only unite, but define their movement. Much as nationalism unites people under a common banner, or racism unites and divides people based on complexion, ideologies define people by their ideas. It's only natural that people who associate themselves under the conservative banner should refer to themselves as conservative. If they weren't, they'd call themselves something else. Same thing with "liberals" and other political groups.
     
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    I can only answer for myself which I think to be pretty conservative from a pure objectivity standpoint, but would be of the opinion that anyone who answers otherwise may not be truly conservative

    Evidence shows in the past that global warming has been natural phenomenon. Is it now? Some evidence suggests it is, thought that doesn't mean we shouldn't be stewards of the environment.

    I won't go so far as to say homosexuality is a purely naturally occurring event. I know it isn't by choice either though. Simply because I know that I don't have the ability to choose to find guys sexually attractive. Anyone who says it's a choice should ask themselves that question.


    He isn't a fiscal conservative for one thing. I would say that your perception that he is being abandoned or thrown out with the kitchen sink is a little off. Like any president he has done some good things (tax cuts) and bad things (increased spending) and IMO not listening to the right people on the IRAQ war.

    Not that i believe in the alternative, but why not question everything? Objectively there is evidence for evolution, but no one knows until we die if humans were made 'special'.

    Can you explain that more?

    No one (except for the deranged) are pro-war, just as as few are truly pro-abortion(killing babies). No level headed person is going to say either of those are good things to have happen. I am pro death penalty in very few instances i.e those that are completely w/o remorse in rape or murder. The system most certainly has its problems that need to be fixed.

    We're not anti-foregin aid. Not sure how you came to that perception. I do think we should help are own before we help others, though.

    As to the pro-death penalty but anti-abortion issue, I don't see why some see a contradiction there. I'm okay with ridding society of it's truly worthless. I am not for ridding society of it's truly inocent. All life is not equally valuable.

    Have not seen any evidence that conservatives believe that either. I would agree somewhat however, that private primary education prepares students better for college. At the college level however, trust me the private students are overpaying.

    Becuase the purpose of business is to make money. It can't do any other good things if it doesn't do that. It can't employ workers. I can't create new jobs and it can't remain viable as a business if it doesn't make money. Part of reaching that goal requires hiring the best to reach that goal. Affirmative action assures that won't happen and utlimately hurts everyone. Would you feel good knowing that you got a job not on your merits but on your race? Would you feel good as an employer knowing you past over the best to be politically correct?

    Those that do aren't conservatives. But part has to do with, like it or not Christianity is intertwined with this country's history and culture. Chruch and state should be seperate. what that doesn't mean is that you remove all biblical references from our monuments and historical symbols. Those are part of history.
     
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    Thank you, MidCan, for pointing out the obvious.

    MrConley: I am a conservative, and I

    -- believe in evolution, a proper understanding of which undermines some central superstitions of liberalism

    -- support a woman's right to kill her baby-in-becoming, up to a certain time,

    -- believe climate change is real, and that human beings almost certainly are involved in making it happen, but disagree that much can be done about it (that oil is going to be burnt, either by you, or by some guy in China. Either way, it will not sit in the ground.)

    -- am not "pro war" -- frankly, what an ignorant thing to accuse us of , given that every American war of the 20th Century saw us being led into it by a Democrat -- but understand that pacifism is stupid and immoral

    -- on the death penalty, support it in principle, but doubt that the state can be trusted to use it fairly (Hey, here is a compromise which might do away with almost all executions of innocent people: extend the death penalty to all crimes involving violence, but apply it only on the second conviction. And while we are discussing crime, how about this one as a way of preventing people ever committing murders: let the punishment for people who use firearms in crime be amputation of their trigger finger. I know the Constitutional objection, but do it under anesthesia and it would not be "cruel", and do it often enough and it would not be "unusual".)

    -- I am happy with the current situation re. Church and state. Why do liberals want to make atheism the public religion?

    -- I am all for public education: let's finance it through vouchers. (Except for your children, who can be sent to the inner-city state school of their choice.)

    -- I oppose affirmative action, among other reasons, because it destroys any chance that Black people will ever be seen as equal to whites. I suspect that many liberals, way down deep, secretly believe that Blacks are inferior, and this is why they support racial preferences.

    By the way: anyone who thinks all conservatives think alike is simply revealing their utter ignorance of the conservative movement today, which is far more politically diverse than its liberal counterpart.
     
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    indeed..


    im reminded of that every time I look at the republican nominees and the blanket reaction of conservatives to Ron Paul..

    :cool:
     
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    Well, we certainly weren't led into the quagmire that is Iraq by a democrat. So my sense is he was referring to the republican party as it now exists. And it seems to me, in listening to the debates, that with few exceptions, the candidates are mostly arguing about who has the biggest... er... stick.

    That said, I think you'd find that most people, whether to the left or right, believe there are things worth fighting and dying for, and that not all war is immoral.

    The death penalty, while satisfying as retribution for certain heinous acts, also lends itself to the questions of accuracy, unequal application and the moral issue of whether the government should act for the sole purpose of retribution, since the death penalty offers no general deterrance, only specific deterrance of the individual involved.

    Athiesm is not a religion. And I suspect most normal, middle of the road people are responding more to the aggressive attempts of the radical Christian right to enact their beliefs into law.

    No. Vouchers are a code word for destruction of state education and "religicizing" education.

    I think affirmative action demeans the people who benefit from it. I think the way to deal with those issues is to level the playing field earlier on through programs like Head Start, which successfully bring disadvantaged children up to general population standards.

    By the same token, anyone who thinks all democrats are liberal or all so-called "liberals" think alike and are homogeneous reveals their ignorance of the other side of the political divide.

    I would disagree wholeheartedly, by the way, that Republicans are more diverse than Democrats. I would further disagree with attaching the term "liberal" to everyone who is a democrat.
     
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    Hence the rabid opposition to vouchers by liberals.

    Leftists know that if they can control the "indoctrination machine" otherwise known as "liberal education" they can control the masses to a large extent. Their goal is to replace parental control with state control...a very leftist/communist principle.
     
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    This picture is almost as retarded as the previous post.
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    Conley, agree. Bern80 your answers are fair. Doug broke the one rule, he cannot think with blaming a liberal. Screaming is lost in conspiratorial never never land.

    Bern80, Trickle down was a pejorative term for the assumption that giving the wealthy more money to spend through reduced taxes would help lift the boats of everyone. The wealthy use more of the infrastructure of society and should pay their fair share. Taxes from WWII till Reagan and Clinton's increase in taxes proved that wrong. That is part of the many items you do agree with in my list, even when you disagree you back off complete disagreement. Your business AA reasoning doesn't make sense to me?

    Pro-war may be a little hard but all the ranting and raving about Vietnam and now Iraq by the conservatives is not pacifism. The motivation is they attacked us, thus we attack them. Very few opposed Iraq but conservatives were its cheer leaders.

    Doug, to kill her baby! do you beat off and have you and the wife ever used any form of birth control, those cells want to survive too. And your affirmative action comment is ridiculous. AA helped a great many Blacks enter the work force and get a fair shake and an opportunity. Racial prejudice is still alive and well. Atheism a religion, you exaggerate. Vouchers will kill public schools and make for the poor having even less chance. We need good, sound, well financed inner city schools.
     
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    I'll answer the questions, provided that you answer the follow-ups:

    Conservatives dont believe that there's anywhere near enough data to support either.
    If neither is well-understood, why do liberals unquestioningly believe in both?

    He neither reduced the govenrment nor increased the military.
    Given that he HAS increased federal welfare spending to record levels, why dont liberals adore him?

    Smart people question everything.
    Why don't Liberals question evolution?

    Its worked every time it was tried- the 60s, the 80s and the 00s.
    Why do liberals doubt it?

    They aren't. They're anti-federal involvement in public education, because the word "education" isnt in the constitution.
    Given that, why are Liberals so pro-federal involvement in education?

    Race-based preferences is racism, and racism is always wrong.
    Why don't liberals agree?

    The 1st amendment keeps the government out of the chuch, not the church out of the government.
    Why dont liberals understand plain English?
     

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