CDZ Question!

[Meister]

Walls worked well in medieval times.....what's changed?
They work well now, also. People haven't changed.
We can put all the electronics along the border to tell us of an illegal crossing, but it doesn't stop the crossing.
We don't have nearly enough border agents to apprehend those that breached the border.
A wall would cut the flow of illegals coming across to a trickle.



A wall plus electronics is a winner.

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

I kind of wished you would have debated what I stated. Walls work as well now as they did centuries ago.
Leeches and blood letting not so much.

No they don't.

Yes, they do

 

[DandyDonovan]

7Walls are a medieval solution to a modern problem

A ridiculous talking point that means nothing.

As true today as it was 1000 years ago
Ask the French how their investment in a wall paid off

The wall did EXACTLY as it was intended to do, the problem was that the French forgot to guard the END of the wall.

 

[rightwinger]

Because we have had a border with Mexico for 150 years

There are no absolutes. There are many other issues that affect border security .......Walls are a medieval solution to a modern problem

Stop spouting talking points! Every time a democrat comes on TV they spout this! Evidently they have no working solutions do they?

Because it is true

We survived 150 years without a wall.

 

[rightwinger]

Walls may be useful if you have a military force on the other side

We have people who want to cut our lawns and make our beds

 

[Meister]

Because we have had a border with Mexico for 150 years

There are no absolutes. There are many other issues that affect border security .......Walls are a medieval solution to a modern problem

Stop spouting talking points! Every time a democrat comes on TV they spout this! Evidently they have no working solutions do they?

Because it is true

We survived 150 years without a wall.

Now we have 10-22 million that are hear illegally RW. Things have changed in 150 years regarding our border.

 

[DandyDonovan]

Which is it, do walls not work, are they immoral, racist, are they too expensive, or do we simply not care if those people come here illegally? Democrats have argued each of those points i the last month

 

[Meister]

Walls may be useful if you have a military force on the other side

We have people who want to cut our lawns and make our beds

We are talking about 'illegal immigration', not 'legal immigration'.

 

[BULLDOG]

Walls worked well in medieval times.....what's changed?
They work well now, also. People haven't changed.
We can put all the electronics along the border to tell us of an illegal crossing, but it doesn't stop the crossing.
We don't have nearly enough border agents to apprehend those that breached the border.
A wall would cut the flow of illegals coming across to a trickle.



A wall plus electronics is a winner.

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

The realization that leeching and blood letting weren't sound medical procedures?

Kinda like we now realize there are much better ways to secure the border than a medieval wall.

Okay.....explain them, okay?

Lots of ways. First step is to get more personnel to deal with the recent increase in asylum seekers so they don't have to wait months at normal points of entry. Other things include drones, more border patrol, sensors, etc.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

why are American politicians talking about negotiating American border security? Why is it even up for debate? And, who are the Democrats working for? It doesn’t seem to be America.

American politicians aren’t negotiating border security, that’s not subject to debate.

Democrats fully support border security and have agreed to funding to pay for measures that will foment actual, effective border security – a ‘wall’ does nothing to foment security and shouldn’t be funded accordingly, it would be a waste of money.

Trump and most Republicans advocate for a ‘wall’ in an effort to assuage their unwarranted fear, bigotry, and hate.

Democrats are working for the American people by seeking to make the border secure; Trump and the GOP are working to appease their hateful base, having nothing to do with border security.

 

[DandyDonovan]

Walls worked well in medieval times.....what's changed?
They work well now, also. People haven't changed.
We can put all the electronics along the border to tell us of an illegal crossing, but it doesn't stop the crossing.
We don't have nearly enough border agents to apprehend those that breached the border.
A wall would cut the flow of illegals coming across to a trickle.



A wall plus electronics is a winner.

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

The realization that leeching and blood letting weren't sound medical procedures?

Kinda like we now realize there are much better ways to secure the border than a medieval wall.

Okay.....explain them, okay?

Lots of ways. First step is to get more personnel to deal with the recent increase in asylum seekers so they don't have to wait months at normal points of entry. Other things include drones, more border patrol, sensors, etc.

If those things would all do more than a fence, why did Democrats and Republicans vote for a fence in 2013?
In fact the last Democratic nominee for President stridently supported a fence in 2009.

 

[BULLDOG]

Walls worked well in medieval times.....what's changed?
They work well now, also. People haven't changed.
We can put all the electronics along the border to tell us of an illegal crossing, but it doesn't stop the crossing.
We don't have nearly enough border agents to apprehend those that breached the border.
A wall would cut the flow of illegals coming across to a trickle.



A wall plus electronics is a winner.

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

I kind of wished you would have debated what I stated. Walls work as well now as they did centuries ago.
Leeches and blood letting not so much.

No they don't.

Yes, they do

Walls can be gone over, under and through. Without electronic monitoring, or border patrol already there to see the breach the wall is useless to stop anybody. With electronic monitoring and more border patrol, the wall is not needed.

 

[Meister]

Walls worked well in medieval times.....what's changed?
They work well now, also. People haven't changed.
We can put all the electronics along the border to tell us of an illegal crossing, but it doesn't stop the crossing.
We don't have nearly enough border agents to apprehend those that breached the border.
A wall would cut the flow of illegals coming across to a trickle.



A wall plus electronics is a winner.

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

The realization that leeching and blood letting weren't sound medical procedures?

Kinda like we now realize there are much better ways to secure the border than a medieval wall.

Okay.....explain them, okay?

Lots of ways. First step is to get more personnel to deal with the recent increase in asylum seekers so they don't have to wait months at normal points of entry. Other things include drones, more border patrol, sensors, etc.

It still wouldn't be enough personnel for the 1,000's of asylum seekers. Most just want in and then disperse before their day in court.
drones and sensors would only relay the breech, but not stop it.
Even hiring more border patrol wouldn't help in a porous border that we have.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Because we have had a border with Mexico for 150 years

There are no absolutes. There are many other issues that affect border security .......Walls are a medieval solution to a modern problem

An invisible wall can and should be done along with stricter laws coming down hard on employers that hire illegals.

Also countries found aiding illegals to skirt our laws should face consequences with either cancellation of trade agreements to freezing all Visas from that country.

Is my plan harsh?

Maybe but more effective than building a wall that when a Democrat take back the White House will defund the maintenance and just have the Cartel and Coyotes destroy it for free.

 

[DandyDonovan]

why are American politicians talking about negotiating American border security? Why is it even up for debate? And, who are the Democrats working for? It doesn’t seem to be America.

American politicians aren’t negotiating border security, that’s not subject to debate.

Democrats fully support border security and have agreed to funding to pay for measures that will foment actual, effective border security – a ‘wall’ does nothing to foment security and shouldn’t be funded accordingly, it would be a waste of money.

Trump and most Republicans advocate for a ‘wall’ in an effort to assuage their unwarranted fear, bigotry, and hate.

Democrats are working for the American people by seeking to make the border secure; Trump and the GOP are working to appease their hateful base, having nothing to do with border security.

What's changed since 2013 that a fence would no longer do any good? You can't answer that question.

You also can't explain why El Paso , TX changed completely in terms of safety once they built an actual wall on their shared border with Mexico.0

 

[Meister]

Walls worked well in medieval times.....what's changed?
They work well now, also. People haven't changed.
We can put all the electronics along the border to tell us of an illegal crossing, but it doesn't stop the crossing.
We don't have nearly enough border agents to apprehend those that breached the border.
A wall would cut the flow of illegals coming across to a trickle.



A wall plus electronics is a winner.

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

I kind of wished you would have debated what I stated. Walls work as well now as they did centuries ago.
Leeches and blood letting not so much.

No they don't.

Yes, they do

Walls can be gone over, under and through. Without electronic monitoring, or border patrol already there to see the breach the wall is useless to stop anybody. With electronic monitoring and more border patrol, the wall is not needed.

Yet, where we have good fences, there is little breaching over the walls, and only a trickle go by tunnel.
I have no idea just how many more border agents you want to hire and electronics only go so far as to monitor and not stop a breach.
The people on the ground at the borders say they want more walls.
I believe them and not some skirt and a clown on the hill. Steny Hoyer even says he wants a wall.

 

[DandyDonovan]

Even Trump isn't really playing hard ball yet.

This is simple, Send one thousand ICE agents into southern California and detain every illegal alien you find, whether they broke any other laws or not, and detain them and fast track them to a hearing and then deport them.

Also arrest anyone who is harboring them, hiring them, or otherwise assisting them. And of course any illegals that have broken other federal laws charge them as well.

Eventually you will arrest Pelosi's gardner and she'll cave.

 

[DandyDonovan]

Can't help but notice a few posters here pretended like no one asked what's changed since their Democrat overlords voted for a fence in 2013.

 

[BULLDOG]

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

The realization that leeching and blood letting weren't sound medical procedures?

Kinda like we now realize there are much better ways to secure the border than a medieval wall.

Okay.....explain them, okay?

Lots of ways. First step is to get more personnel to deal with the recent increase in asylum seekers so they don't have to wait months at normal points of entry. Other things include drones, more border patrol, sensors, etc.

If those things would all do more than a fence, why did Democrats and Republicans vote for a fence in 2013?
In fact the last Democratic nominee for President stridently supported a fence in 2009.

There was 1.3 trillion allocated last year, but less than 10% of that has been spent. If Trump cared about border security instead of just building a stupid wall, he could have done lots with that money. He didn't

 

[BULLDOG]

A few leaches, or a good blood letting were prescribed for a sick person in the middle ages too. what's changed?

The realization that leeching and blood letting weren't sound medical procedures?

Kinda like we now realize there are much better ways to secure the border than a medieval wall.

Okay.....explain them, okay?

Lots of ways. First step is to get more personnel to deal with the recent increase in asylum seekers so they don't have to wait months at normal points of entry. Other things include drones, more border patrol, sensors, etc.

It still wouldn't be enough personnel for the 1,000's of asylum seekers. Most just want in and then disperse before their day in court.
drones and sensors would only relay the breech, but not stop it.
Even hiring more border patrol wouldn't help in a porous border that we have.

If someone wants across a fence, they will get across a fence.

 

[DandyDonovan]

The realization that leeching and blood letting weren't sound medical procedures?

Kinda like we now realize there are much better ways to secure the border than a medieval wall.

Okay.....explain them, okay?

Lots of ways. First step is to get more personnel to deal with the recent increase in asylum seekers so they don't have to wait months at normal points of entry. Other things include drones, more border patrol, sensors, etc.

If those things would all do more than a fence, why did Democrats and Republicans vote for a fence in 2013?
In fact the last Democratic nominee for President stridently supported a fence in 2009.

There was 1.3 trillion allocated last year, but less than 10% of that has been spent. If Trump cared about border security instead of just building a stupid wall, he could have done lots with that money. He didn't

You wanna provide some proof of that?