Question many ask: Why Does God Allow Evil?

To me it is evil to put someone in eternal torment just for not worshipping you.
Do you think it is evil to not only not acknowledge but to disobey your creator?

Ass-u-me-ing I believed, in the privacy of my own heart, that the stuffed shirt being described to me actually was my Creator, not acknowledging Him would be rude. Ass-u-me-ing...



If told that I was a disappointment to the 'God' described in any, or all of the Ancient Stories based on the family of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac, I must laugh dismissively, as believe in that Earth Deity, I do not.





:laugh:
 
BTW, Angels also have free will. They aren't robots.

Remember there was war in heaven, when Satan convinced a chunk of the angels to go on his side and hence was kicked out of heaven and has since roamed the earth. That's why he's so pissed, he's seen what he's missing and will miss for eternity until he's finally consumed in hellfire. He want's the same fate for us earthlings. He doesn't want us to go there, he wants company with him. And he's doing a heckuva job. See Rev. 12:7-12, Revelation 12:7-12 KJV - And there was war in heaven: Michael - Bible Gateway


Not talking about man made books here.

Talking only about what my soul tells me is right!

Not parroting any books here.

and once more... my two cents,
So basically whatever you feel is right/truth.

Is that it?

Doesn't matter what truth is. 'Truth' and 'Right' are relative to the observer.

Civil Law is the codification of current morality. That's why Civil Law is so fucking important in a land espousing religious and cultural freedoms.

Democracy makes that codification flexible. 'Course corruption makes that flexibility rust like old pipes in Chicago, but that's for another story. ;)
 
BTW, Angels also have free will. They aren't robots.

Remember there was war in heaven, when Satan convinced a chunk of the angels to go on his side and hence was kicked out of heaven and has since roamed the earth. That's why he's so pissed, he's seen what he's missing and will miss for eternity until he's finally consumed in hellfire. He want's the same fate for us earthlings. He doesn't want us to go there, he wants company with him. And he's doing a heckuva job. See Rev. 12:7-12, Revelation 12:7-12 KJV - And there was war in heaven: Michael - Bible Gateway


Not talking about man made books here.

Talking only about what my soul tells me is right!

Not parroting any books here.

and once more... my two cents,
So basically whatever you feel is right/truth.

Is that it?


I can only talk for myself.

There are Spiritual ideas, beliefs that resonate more than others in my heart.

They don't belong necessarily to organized religion...

and for me that is my own personal truth.
 
Because he doesn't exist.

nitroz ..that is a beautiful avatar of a sunrise you have!

No human being ever would have been able to create that.....

Something bigger than us must have done it .... may be?

Just saying... I have no answers here...
 
^^^^^

LOL...agnostics/Athiests.....try to make themselves feel better about their Godless souls by making stupid observations.

Actually, i don't feel better about the factual observation.
My heart and mind hurt for the murdered children and their family and their friends and us.

All our hearts go out to the families and friends of victims. But your statement made no sense, it's not hard to understand free will, this world is different, I've offered answers above specifically related to GOD. And why that happens. :cool:

Factual? Huh....

Just one little problem... you're Ass-U-Me-ing.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...sk-why-does-god-allow-evil-3.html#post6513383
 
Not talking about man made books here.

Talking only about what my soul tells me is right!

Not parroting any books here.

and once more... my two cents,
So basically whatever you feel is right/truth.

Is that it?


I can only talk for myself.

There are Spiritual ideas, beliefs that resonate more than others in my heart.

They don't belong necessarily to organized religion...

and for me that is my own personal truth.

In my soul of souls that is where I find my equanimity, my peace , my truth. Therein lies a place where I can be still and listen to GOD or Good Orderly Direction; my truths, that which guides me. I do not believe that evil exists there as I have not experienced that.
 
So basically whatever you feel is right/truth.

Is that it?


I can only talk for myself.

There are Spiritual ideas, beliefs that resonate more than others in my heart.

They don't belong necessarily to organized religion...

and for me that is my own personal truth.

In my soul of souls that is where I find my equanimity, my peace , my truth. Therein lies a place where I can be still and listen to GOD or Good Orderly Direction; my truths, that which guides me. I do not believe that evil exists there as I have not experienced that.

I agree. Somehow I feel very similar.
 
Question many ask: Why Does God Allow Evil?
Nice question, oh wait, that was a crappy question. Better yet, why does God allow unnecessary pain?
God is all powerful, isn't he? Why did he not cause the gun of Adam Lanza to jam, thus sparing the lives of innocent young children, yet still allowing the evil of Adam Lanza to exist? Instead, your god allowed all those parents, family and us to feel the pain of murdered children. He doesn't seem like much of a good god if he allows innocent children to be slaughtered.

In a corrupt world, why does God allow love, flowers, rainbows, an umprompted smile or anything good?

How do you know She doesn't actively push a love, flowers and rainbow agenda, never mind 'allow' them?
 
I can only talk for myself.

There are Spiritual ideas, beliefs that resonate more than others in my heart.

They don't belong necessarily to organized religion...

and for me that is my own personal truth.

In my soul of souls that is where I find my equanimity, my peace , my truth. Therein lies a place where I can be still and listen to GOD or Good Orderly Direction; my truths, that which guides me. I do not believe that evil exists there as I have not experienced that.

I agree. Somehow I feel very similar.

I remember feeling this way when I took this picture...I could not have captured this scene otherwise....
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Not talking about man made books here.

Talking only about what my soul tells me is right!

Not parroting any books here.

and once more... my two cents,
So basically whatever you feel is right/truth.

Is that it?


I can only talk for myself.

There are Spiritual ideas, beliefs that resonate more than others in my heart.

They don't belong necessarily to organized religion...

and for me that is my own personal truth.

:beer: To Personal Truth!

Because all truth is relative to the observer.
 
So... if nature is beautiful, it has to be the work of a deity? :confused:
I think the Large Hadron Collider is beautiful mechanically, but it was definitely created by humans.
 
So... if nature is beautiful, it has to be the work of a deity? :confused:
I think the Large Hadron Collider is beautiful mechanically, but it was definitely created by humans.

What if the Earth Monkeys are simply the best, current example of the only Nature known expressing Herself?


Wouldn't that allow things like the Collider and hot cars to assume a certain natural beauty?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCb1jO87Bm4]Sports Cars! - YouTube[/ame]


And yet nothing the Monkeys build can capture the beauty of the Monkeys that Nature built.

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I don't know, that picture isn't exactly the most striking picture of the best nature has to offer. :lol:
Are you the ugly one per chance? Cause every time I'm in a group picture, I'm the ugly one.
 
Recent video from Fox news:

"Why does God allow evil?"
Why does God allow evil? | Fox News Video



Link regarding this very serious question:
Why does God allow evil?

..partial quote from link..

Perhaps a practical way to look at this question would be to consider some alternative ways people might have God run the world:

1) God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

My personal encouragement: Ask this of the Lord Jesus Christ yourself. Ask Him sincerely for the answers about evil and why the world is the way it is, and why people do what they do. Be prepared for His answers which He WILL answer if you are calling out to Him with all your heart. Because yes, this will mean looking at your own accountability first and foremost..and frankly that is what most unbelievers (including myself before I went to Him) are afraid of.

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simple answer to a simple question evil exists, good exists, god does not
 
Alan, if this is the post you wanted to bring my attention to, then may I ask what is the main point you were trying to make?

I don't want to make any assumptions, so therefore I ask.

You accused me of bashing god, so therefore you already made assumptions.

Marc,
I don't bash people's god(s) and I don't ridicule people for believing in their god(s). It's their choice.
I don't believe in a deity.
I don't understand how anyone could believe in a deity that allows the slaughter of children--- a deity that is supposedly all powerful and could prevent said murder (of innocent children) is not one I can understand. Perhaps others can, but I cannot.
If belief in god brings comfort to those that lost their family members, or to bystanders like you and BecauseIKnow, then carry on with your beliefs.
I think the OP phrased the question one way, but his/her OP didn't actually address the title of the OP.
I sincerely apologize for any bash percieved or real that my words may have assumed.

Your questions are sincere, and common.

God allows this because of sin. The instant sin entered the world through Adam and Eve's transgression the degredation of mankind and separation from God began.

Christ won the battle when he came down and died for us.

It's not God that is the problem, it's sin is the problem, Sin which came in from Satan the Great Deceiver. He is the enemy, not God.

Now that sin is in the world, mankind has a choice. Which is to do God's will, or to do Satan's will. Satan wants us to do anything but God's will, because he wants us to burn in hell like him when Christ returns, so he creates all sorts of distractions and devices to get us, mankind, from following or even want to follow God's will.

Think about it, sin was so bad, that God sent his only begotten Son, Jesus, to die for us, an innocent. An innocent man, the ONLY perfect human that walked the face of this earth had to die in order for you and I to live.

However, we have to choose it. We just don't get it just because we're born. We have to choose Christ. How do we choose Christ? By obeying Him. That's his only requirement...obedience. See the story of Cain and Abel for an understanding of that concept. Then turn to Exodus 20, where The Ten Commandments are to see the laws which He left for us to obey.

Sounds like you want a god who just makes our life easy, a god that caters to us, our every whim. Is that how we are to respond to a God who created us from nothing? Is that what we are to expect of the Creator of the universe? For Him to cater to our every whim? Or...are we to reverence Him, and know that He is God and God alone?

In light of the above...what say you?
i say b/s from a old fairy tale book
no evidence of any of this
you guys contradict yourself all the time if his ONLY commandment is we obey him then why do we have free will ? and why does the first commandment order us to only worship him if there are no other gods
more voodoo /superstition b.s
 
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Basic but informative Islamic answer if people just want to think of this.....



1. First of all, Allah did not make this world a permanent world. This is a temporary world and everything here has a time limit. When its times comes it will die, come to an end and finish. Neither the good things of this world are forever, nor the bad things eternal. We are here for a short time and we are being tested. Those who will pass this test will find an eternal world that is perfect and permanent. Those who will fail this test shall see the evil consequences of their sins and corruption.

2. Allah has placed a physical law and a moral law in this universe. Allah allows suffering to occur when one or more of these laws are broken. The physical law is based on cause and effect. Sickness comes if one does not take care of one’s health or is exposed to infections. A car accident occurs when one is not alert, or drives in a careless manner, or if the cars are not checked, roads and freeways are not made and kept in right shape, or the traffic laws are not right or not properly enforced. Study of causes and effects is very important to facilitate safeguards. Even here we should keep in mind that Allah often saves us and He does not let us suffer from every negligence. How many times it happens that we are not careful and still we reach safely to our destinations. The way people drive in some cities, it is a miracle that more accidents do not happen and more people do not suffer. Allah says:

“(Allah) Most Gracious! It is He Who has taught the Qur’an. He has created man: He has taught him speech (and Intelligence). The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; and the herbs and the trees both (alike) bow in adoration. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), in order that you may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures." (Ar-Rahman:1-10)

The way we exceed the measures set by Allah and violate His laws of cause and effect is incredible. It is really the mercy of Allah that we are saved. Strictly speaking, the question should not be why does Allah allow suffering, but how much Allah protects us and saves us all the time in spite of our violations and negligence. The Qur’an says:

“If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants." (Fatir:45)

But sometimes Allah does punish people because of their violations of His laws whether they are physical or moral. The Qur’an tells us that many nations and communities were destroyed because of their sinful lifestyles:

“If they treat thy (mission) as false, so did the Peoples before them (with their Prophets), the People of Noah, and Ad and Thamud. Those of Abraham and Lut; and the Companions of the Madyan people; and Moses was rejected (in the same way). But I granted respite to the Unbelievers, and (only) after that did I punish them: but how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)! How many populations have We destroyed, which were given to wrong-doing! They tumbled down on their roofs. And how many wells are lying idle and neglected, and castles lofty and well-built?" (Al-Hajj: 42-45)

3. Suffering can also be a test and trial for some people. Allah allows some people to suffer in order to test their patience and steadfastness. Even Allah’s Prophets and Messengers were made to suffer. Prophet Ayyub is mentioned in the Qur’an as a Prophet who was very patient. Good people sometimes suffer but their sufferings heal others and bring goodness to their communities. People learn lessons from their good examples. Martyrs die for their faith, soldiers give their lives for their nations and this brings liberation and freedom for their people.

4. Allah sometimes allows some people to suffer to test others, how they react to them. When you see a person who is sick, poor and needy, then you are tested by Allah. Allah is there with that suffering person to test your charity and your faith. In a very moving Hadith Qudsi (Divine Hadith) the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

“Allah will say on the Day of Judgment, ‘O son of Adam, I was sick and you did not visit Me.’ He will say, ‘O my Lord, how could I visit You, when you are the Lord of the Worlds.’ Allah will say, ‘Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was sick and you did not visit him? Did you not know that if you had visited him, you would have found Me there?’ Allah will say, ‘O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not.’ He shall say, ‘O my Lord, how could I feed you and you are the Lord of the Worlds?’ And Allah will say, ‘Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was in need of food and you did not feed him? Did you not know that if you had fed him, you would have found that to have been for Me?’ ‘O son of Adam, I asked you for water and you did not give Me to drink.’ The man shall say, ‘O my Lord, how could I give You water, when You are the Lord of the Worlds?’ Allah will say, ‘My servant so-and-so asked you for water and you did not give him to drink water. Did you not know that if you had given him to drink, you would have found that to have been for Me.’ (Muslim, Hadith no. 4661)
so which one is the one and only true god that we must worship to get salvation
jesus or allah ?
 

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