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Dunno. Have not looked.I dont think one black member of this board has posted in this thread, am I wrong?
That's pretty much the effective question. Very good."even if it meant"You suppose a lot for someone not inside my head. Perhaos your own prejudices are sneaking in to your posts...?
Even if it meant the very real chance that they, if they existed at all, would have virtually none of the things they have today?
Really?
Hm.. What did you say my intent here was?
Yes, "even if it meant" that.
Why do you assume otherwise?
If you had to choose between your luxuries and the torture and mastery of other human beiongs, you'd choose your luxuries?
See - and you thought it was all about thanking the white man for slavery. Silly you.
No, that's why you don't --like-- the question -- deep down you believe that the -majority- of blacks would likely refuse to give up what they have so that slavery never existed, and so, by your standard, are 'sick'.No, and anyone who would is sick.
That's what make asking the question asinine to begin with.
Nothing asinine about it.
Another racist..."you should be thankful for slavery" thread
Hell no ! It's fun to pretend but the real 1600's would be hell to a modern day person.
Askling the question assumes nothing.No, asking the question means that YOU assume that people would even answer that way, not meThat's pretty much the effective question. Very good."even if it meant"
Yes, "even if it meant" that.
Why do you assume otherwise?
If you had to choose between your luxuries and the torture and mastery of other human beiongs, you'd choose your luxuries?
See - and you thought it was all about thanking the white man for slavery. Silly you.
No, that's why you don't --like-- the question -- deep down you believe that the -majority- of blacks would likely refuse to give up what they have so that slavery never existed, and so, by your standard, are 'sick'.No, and anyone who would is sick.
That's what make asking the question asinine to begin with.
Nothing asinine about it.
See, that doesn't matter - it doent mean the question is pointless, it means that there is the very real possibility that there are a lot of sick black people.see because me, thinking it's sick that anyone WOULD answer that way, automatically will think the question is pointless BECAUSE of that.
Another cowardly attempt to avoid the issue at hand.I have a question for blacks only
Would you have preferred to come to America as slaves or come as free men like everyone else?
And you think slavery is only a black and western hemisphere thing?
How about ask the question: Would you (being black) go back in time and not go into the bush, catch your enemies tribes peoples and sell them to the whites.
And if anyone says that they would not try and stop it as per your question.... is crazy.
Don't really see what selling your enemies has to do with it. That's how slavery worked from time immemorial. It's western slavery that changed things by making your race a reason. In the past you could become a slave by war, criminality or debt. To put the notion of race into the reasons why other Africans would capture and sell to whites, is to inject an ethic that wasn't part of the equation at the time, but a peculiarity of American slavery.
Lets see... putting the notion of race into it slavery.
i suggest you look at the title of the thread.
Slavery is not just a black thing. Nor is it just a western hemisphere thing.
The op is asking if you would try and stop/eliminate (black) slavery if you could go back in time.
If you want to eliminate black slavery back then... then you have to eliminate the ones who went into the bush to capture black people.... and that was other black people.
I did not put the notion of black into anything....
Another racist..."you should be thankful for slavery" thread
Sad part is, he doesn't GET why you'd assume that of him.
Askling the question assumes nothing.No, asking the question means that YOU assume that people would even answer that way, not meThat's pretty much the effective question. Very good.
See - and you thought it was all about thanking the white man for slavery. Silly you.
No, that's why you don't --like-- the question -- deep down you believe that the -majority- of blacks would likely refuse to give up what they have so that slavery never existed, and so, by your standard, are 'sick'.
Nothing asinine about it.
This will be true no matter how many times you speak the opposite.
See, that doesn't matter - it doent mean the question is pointless, it means that there is the very real possibility that there are a lot of sick black people.see because me, thinking it's sick that anyone WOULD answer that way, automatically will think the question is pointless BECAUSE of that.
Why do you assume that there are -not- a lot of sick black people?
Because I go outside.
That is, why do you think that the majority of black people share your particular values?
Consider in your answer that the majority of black people likely do not share your education, upbringing, background, etc.
Because despite your rhetoric here, the value we're talking about is Humanity, not some obscure value that changes from one good person to the next.
And really - doesn't your inability to fathom the idea that a large numbe rof people might not see things the same way you do only denote a deficiency on your part?
No, your inability to fathom the idea that asking black people would they change slavery if it meant losing their luxury, assumes that some would say "No, I wouldn't change it" or else, if you don't assume that some would say that, your question is pointless and fucking stupid. And by assuming some wouldn't change slavery, you also assume that they dont really know much about how badly slavery has effected their race and culture. You obviously don't seem to know, by even asking this retarded question.
Are you black?Yes, because it's wrong.
Another cowardly attempt to avoid the issue at hand.I have a question for blacks only
Would you have preferred to come to America as slaves or come as free men like everyone else?
As usual.
Are you black?Yes, because it's wrong.
If so, do you understand that if you were able to do as you say, there is almost every chance that you would not have any of the thngs you have now, and would just as likely live in a very very different place?
Don't really see what selling your enemies has to do with it. That's how slavery worked from time immemorial. It's western slavery that changed things by making your race a reason. In the past you could become a slave by war, criminality or debt. To put the notion of race into the reasons why other Africans would capture and sell to whites, is to inject an ethic that wasn't part of the equation at the time, but a peculiarity of American slavery.
Lets see... putting the notion of race into it slavery.
i suggest you look at the title of the thread.
Slavery is not just a black thing. Nor is it just a western hemisphere thing.
The op is asking if you would try and stop/eliminate (black) slavery if you could go back in time.
If you want to eliminate black slavery back then... then you have to eliminate the ones who went into the bush to capture black people.... and that was other black people.
I did not put the notion of black into anything....
Yes, you did by implying that there should have been some racial solidarity that prevented blacks from selling other blacks. They were doing what always had been done, what changed was that merely being black became a reason for servitude in America. That was something new and something we're still recovering from. So, what needs to be considered is not the slavery alone, but also the demeaning of an entire race, the effects of which extend to the present day.
So, you have no real, supportable respone to my questions, just suppositins based on your limited perceptions.My answers bolded and underline above.
Again, it makes no assumption, as no assumption is necessary to ask the question.No, your inability to fathom the idea that asking black people would they change slavery if it meant losing their luxury, assumes that some would say "No, I wouldn't change it" or else...
The question leaves open the possibility that every single black would answer as you suppose, and as such, assumes nothing. Your objection is, again, unfounded.If you don't assume that some would say that, your question is pointless and fucking stupid.
This is absurd beyind description.And by assuming some wouldn't change slavery, you also assume that they dont really know much about how badly slavery has effected their race and culture.
Hell no ! It's fun to pretend but the real 1600's would be hell to a modern day person.
I dont think it means you have to stay and live in the 1600's. lol. I think it just means if you could, would you erase slavery.