Q:How badly is govt-sponsored education failing? A: A significant number are voting for a socialist!

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There is no better indication of the utter failure of the U.S. govt-sponsored educational system, than this: In a country that was founded on personal responsibility and charity, limited government, hard work and taking the consequences of your own success and failure, help from friends and family... a significant number of people are now voting for an admitted socialist (Bernie Sanders) and various other wannabees who won't admit they are socialists (Hillary, Bloomberg et. al.).

It's about as far from the American ideal as one can get. One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your neighbor, your city, a bunch of complete strangers as much as it does to you. If you grow an apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The idea that they can now legally get stuff for free that other people worked to produce, is becoming the dominant factor in more and more people's lives. It's a far cry from the American ideal that government's job is to protect your rights, including the right to keep what you own. One of the main jobs of a socialist-style government, is to take things from people who have more and give them to those who have less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

The only remaining question is:

Is this really a failure as I describe here? Or is it exactly what the people behind this downhill trend, intended all along?
 
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There is no better indication of the utter failure of the U.S. govt-sponsored educational system, than this: In a country that was founded on personal responsibility and charity, limited government, hard work and taking the consequences of your own success and failure, help from friends and family... a significant number of people are now voting for an admitted socialist (Bernie Sanders) and various other wannabees who won't admit they are socialists (Hillary, Bloomberg et. al.).

It's about as far from the American ideal as one can get. One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to you neighbor, your city, an bunch of complete stranger as much as it does to you. If you grow and apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

The only remaining question is:

Is this really a failure as I describe here? Or is it exactly what the people behind this downhill trend, intended all along?
This post is something I'd expect from a delusional libertarian. First of all, public education does not destroy personal responsibility. Charities still exist, you know why the government stepped in? Charities couldn't meet the needs of the poor, and that's true today. Limited government? The government is pretty limited, and no, social programs aren't going to kill you. Hard work? Many americans are working more then 40 hours a week to make ends meet. People help their friends and family all the time. Bernie is a self admitted "DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST," and in the context of America, that refers to someone who wants regulations and social programs, not nationalization. Bernie has no plans for that. Hillary clinton and bloomberg are not socialists. Partisan idiots from the right throw around the word socialism without even understanding what it means. How is "socialism" as it is applied in the context most people see it as in America against the american ideal? Ah, there you have it, you finally recognize socialism refers to the abolition of private property rights for public ownership. Here's where you destroy yourself: Bernie and hillary support private property rights. Hell, most socialists are only talking about the means of production when they discuss nationalizing "property," not your house. I'm not even a socialist. Your point about houses is fucking hysterical. What modern day socialist wants to make your house public property in america that has any real following? Err, when you refer to the failures of "socialism' you're not talking about democratic "socialism" as seen today, you're talking about authoritarian states with no democracy. Bernie doesn't say "everyone will get an equal share." Ah, so you're trying to link the appeal of democratic "socialism' to the failure of our educational system? What the hell.. You might want to talk to uneducated whites who support trump. Oh, yeah, by the way, I wasn't aware europe was collapsing due to universal healthcare, a different college structure, etc.. etc..
 
As expected, the liberals argue over whether their candidates are "socialist", while carefully avoiding the fact that the destruction of property rights they encourage leads to a gradual trend of less work by more and more people.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.
 
People want socialism but they don't know what it means. To them it means forcing mom and dad into buying a new Playstation. They don't realize that it means no more toilet paper.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute what you said, but I hate it anyway. So I'll pretend that irrelevancies and exaggerations are significant, so I don't have to deal with the major issues instead.
 
Socialists own public-ed. If you look at their curriculum they are heavily invested in self esteem, diversity, sense of community, etc. Lots of new age types slogans on the walls. The beauty is they charge a fucking fortune for it and are always pushing for more. Socialists laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.

The problem is YOU don't know what socialism means...neither do these ignorant millennials that think it's the answer to all their problems. Socialism has never worked....and never will.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute what you said, but I hate it anyway. So I'll pretend that irrelevancies and exaggerations are significant, so I don't have to deal with the major issues instead.

It's not clear from your thread title which "gov't" you're objecting to. The state governments that set policies for their schools? One state in particular? Or did you intend to drill down to the 13,000+ school districts in the U.S. and show us which ones have offended you?

Surely you don't intend to drill down to an individual school or schools? If so, please list them and explain why.

Alternatively, you can explain why the word "socialism" - which you're objecting to on social media - gets you so upset.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.

Bernie Sanders is a self avowed Socialist and he is running neck and neck with Hillary Clinton for your party's nomination. How long are you people going to keep denying the "S" word?
 
Many normal people read threads like this and laugh. We laugh because we have kids who have been educated in American public schools...and these kids are far more capable of making sound decisions than the OP.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute what you said, but I hate it anyway. So I'll pretend that irrelevancies and exaggerations are significant, so I don't have to deal with the major issues instead.

It's not clear from your thread title which "gov't" you're objecting to. The state governments that set policies for their schools? One state in particular? Or did you intend to drill down to the 13,000+ school districts in the U.S. and show us which ones have offended you?

Surely you don't intend to drill down to an individual school or schools? If so, please list them and explain why.

Alternatively, you can explain why the word "socialism" - which you're objecting to on social media - gets you so upset.
Lots of mind reading there on your part, Slick. But you stumbled onto a big problem in public ed. They've created a cottage industry and have massive amounts of districts. Each district needs its' own infrastructure, administrators, bureaucracy, offices, etc. etc. Costing the tax payers a fortune. Half my property taxes goes to public-ed.
 
There is no better indication of the utter failure of the U.S. govt-sponsored educational system, than this: In a country that was founded on personal responsibility and charity, limited government, hard work and taking the consequences of your own success and failure, help from friends and family... a significant number of people are now voting for an admitted socialist (Bernie Sanders) and various other wannabees who won't admit they are socialists (Hillary, Bloomberg et. al.).

It's about as far from the American ideal as one can get. One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your neighbor, your city, a bunch of complete strangers as much as it does to you. If you grow an apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The idea that they can now legally get stuff for free that other people worked to produce, is becoming the dominant factor in more and more people's lives. It's a far cry from the American ideal that government's job is to protect your rights, including the right to keep what you own. One of the main jobs of a socialist-style government, is to take things from people who have more and give them to those who have less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

The only remaining question is:

Is this really a failure as I describe here? Or is it exactly what the people behind this downhill trend, intended all along?



AS PREDICTED

Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey.

A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.


–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)


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Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.

Bernie Sanders is a self avowed Socialist and he is running neck and neck with Hillary Clinton for your party's nomination. How long are you people going to keep denying the "S" word?

I'm not denying it. I'm saying it's impossible to talk sense to people who conflate it with "commies and Nazis and everything bad that ever happened EVAH," oh my.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.

Bernie Sanders is a self avowed Socialist and he is running neck and neck with Hillary Clinton for your party's nomination. How long are you people going to keep denying the "S" word?

He calls himself a democratic socialist. It's not scary.
 
Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.

Bernie Sanders is a self avowed Socialist and he is running neck and neck with Hillary Clinton for your party's nomination. How long are you people going to keep denying the "S" word?

I'm not denying it. I'm saying it's impossible to talk sense to people who conflate it with "commies and Nazis and everything bad that ever happened EVAH," oh my.
Except no one said that. It is a knee jerk reaction on your part. Capitalism made us great and people are not seeing positive results moving left. Wages are stagnant and everyone I know thinks government is out of control.
 

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