Q:How badly is govt-sponsored education failing? A: A significant number are voting for a socialist!

[bendog]

There is no better indication of the utter failure of the U.S. govt-sponsored educational system, than this: In a country that was founded on personal responsibility and charity, limited government, hard work and taking the consequences of your own success and failure, help from friends and family... a significant number of people are now voting for an admitted socialist (Bernie Sanders) and various other wannabees who won't admit they are socialists (Hillary, Bloomberg et. al.).

It's about as far from the American ideal as one can get. One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your neighbor, your city, a bunch of complete strangers as much as it does to you. If you grow an apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The idea that they can now legally get stuff for free that other people worked to produce, is becoming the dominant factor in more and more people's lives. It's a far cry from the American ideal that government's job is to protect your rights, including the right to keep what you own. One of the main jobs of a socialist-style government, is to take things from people who have more and give them to those who have less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

The only remaining question is:

Is this really a failure as I describe here? Or is it exactly what the people behind this downhill trend, intended all along?

OK, props due for that. LOL

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't hear of any conservative candidates running to end public education.

No but you hear a lot talking about reforming it. Like audits and teacher accountability. But they get fought hard by the union.

 

[Iceweasel]

What education failed to make most RWnuts not believe in evolution?

Most do. You don't live in reality.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The irony of the American school system is it teaches our history, the history of a people that overthrew a tyrannical government for freedom.

but now tells them that demanding a tyrannical government is a good thing.

and as I've seen, the leftist here are supporting the loss of freedom, and angrily doing so.

 

[Arianrhod]

Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.

The problem is YOU don't know what socialism means...

Because you say so?

If you did you would know it's a failed concept...

Trying to make sense of the hysteria y'all generate around the word? Absolutely.

 

[Arianrhod]

What education failed to make most RWnuts not believe in evolution?

Most do. You don't live in reality.

Then why is it so many who don't end up on message boards?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Ah, another "OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT 'SOCIALISM' MEANS BUT IT SCARES ME!" thread.

It must be Tuesday.

The problem is YOU don't know what socialism means...

Because you say so?

are you talking about the on paper socialism that look like it would work or the real world results that we told you would happen but you are to fucking dumb to see them?

 

[ScienceRocks]

This is retarded! It has nothing to do with tax payer funding at all and that is proven by the reality that every single one of the top 10 education systems on earth are.

Our problem is simply we have low standards and a culture that promotes such low standards.

70% of the poor wouldn't even get a chance if the goddamn profit making sector had its way.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The public educational system works well in europe and with the right taxes, regs and government = super high per capita wages for the population.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- ...and half the GOP still think (ALWAYS democratic and capitalist) socialism is COMMUNISM. Dingbat ignorant dupes...

 

[Two Thumbs]

This is retarded! It has nothing to do with tax payer funding at all and that is proven by the reality that every single one of the top 10 education systems on earth are.

Our problem is simply we have low standards and a culture that promotes such low standards.

70% of the poor wouldn't even get a chance if the goddamn profit making sector had its way.

well that's not true, not true at all

recall the voucher system that was pushed and then crushed by your fellow leftist

recall that inner city schools suck so bad that the libraries are near empty


that's why we don't have science infra, etc etc

 

[Iceweasel]

What education failed to make most RWnuts not believe in evolution?

Most do. You don't live in reality.

Then why is it so many who don't end up on message boards?

You've taken a poll? Last one I saw said the majority of Christians believe in Evolution. They just don't think it's an accident.

 

[ScienceRocks]

OP- ...and half the GOP still think (ALWAYS democratic and capitalist) socialism is COMMUNISM. Dingbat ignorant dupes...

Government has been funding educational institutions and college for the 11th century. Loseterians have nothing besides their greed.

 

[CowboyTed]

Just when you think Public Education doesn't work the kids just suprise...

Lets me make this real fucking clear....

America has plenty of Social Programs and thus is a Social Democratic Country.

Actually compared to other social democratic countries in europe you might be a small bit less Socialist but far less Democratic(considering poor representation choice, finance election rules, lobbyist power, Supreme Court power....)
Government spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Government Spending/GDP
US 41%
UK 48%
Germany 45%
Australia 35%
Switzerland 33%
South Korea 30%

 

[Contumacious]

I don't hear of any conservative candidates running to end public education.

WHEN IT COMES TO CENTRALIZING POWER IN DC THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES AND ITS "LIBERAL" COUNTERPARTS

ONE WAS TO RULE US IN THE NAME OF THE VATERLAND THE OTHER IN THE NAME OF A GOD.

A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.


–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)


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[SassyIrishLass]

Just when you think Public Education doesn't work the kids just suprise...

Lets me make this real fucking clear....

America has plenty of Social Programs and thus is a Social Democratic Country.

Actually compared to other social democratic countries in europe you might be a small bit less Socialist but far less Democratic(considering poor representation choice, finance election rules, lobbyist power, Supreme Court power....)
Government spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Government Spending/GDP
US i41%

America is NOT a Socialist country, dip. Good grief that has been blown out of the water so many times I can't count

 

[my2¢]

If I was 40 years younger my response to the OP would be to say take your personal-responsibility bullshit and cram it along with the IOU's we've been handed by the government.

 

[Contumacious]

OP- ...and half the GOP still think (ALWAYS democratic and capitalist) socialism is COMMUNISM. Dingbat ignorant dupes...

Government has been funding educational institutions and college for the 11th century. Loseterians have nothing besides their greed.

THE LAST STATE TO NATIONALIZE EDUCATION WAS INDIANA - 1914.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Just when you think Public Education doesn't work the kids just suprise...

Lets me make this real fucking clear....

America has plenty of Social Programs and thus is a Social Democratic Country.

Actually compared to other social democratic countries in europe you might be a small bit less Socialist but far less Democratic(considering poor representation choice, finance election rules, lobbyist power, Supreme Court power....)
Government spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Government Spending/GDP
US i41%

The problem in our country is we have loserterians instead of sane reform thinking people. What this does is make sure our system gets worse while the nutz only think about profit in the damn private sector.

 

[Contumacious]

Just when you think Public Education doesn't work the kids just suprise...

Lets me make this real fucking clear....

America has plenty of Social Programs and thus is a Social Democratic Country.

Actually compared to other social democratic countries in europe you might be a small bit less Socialist but far less Democratic(considering poor representation choice, finance election rules, lobbyist power, Supreme Court power....)
Government spending - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Government Spending/GDP
US i41%

America is NOT a Socialist country, dip. Good grief that has been blown out of the water so many times I can't count

THAT HAS BEEN BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER ONLY IN YOUR MIND OR IMAGINATION.

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