Q for Followers of Jesus

[dmp]

Originally posted by dilloduck
No a virgin birth is what you claim to have happened in order for you to try to prove that Jesus was sinless. Common sense would call for a biological father.

Isn't all this supposed to be a "miracle" anyway?

I'm not sure what you are asking/stating here.

Yes - Jesus was born from a virgin. Without miracles, other virgin births have been recorded in history; Having a mother who is a virgin doesn't mean there was no father.


In THIS case, God created the life within her - she didn't have intercourse w/ Christ's 'father'.

God is Jesus' biological father.

 

[dilloduck]

What I'm saying is that sense has nothing to do with it because god is such a vast concept that it is beyond mans ability to make sense of it all. If there are other virgin births in history are the all sinless too?

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by dilloduck
If there are other virgin births in history are the all sinless too?

Only if God was the 'Father'

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by -=d=-
I'm not sure what you are asking/stating here.

Yes - Jesus was born from a virgin. Without miracles, other virgin births have been recorded in history; Having a mother who is a virgin doesn't mean there was no father.


In THIS case, God created the life within her - she didn't have intercourse w/ Christ's 'father'.

God is Jesus' biological father.

What other virgin births have there been?? I only know of one. Dillo is right; common sense dictates that a mother would have lost her virginity in order to get impregnated. However, dillo, the miracle of it all is the God created the human form of Jesus within Mary's womb, like -=d=- said.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
What other virgin births have there been?? I only know of one. Dillo is right; common sense dictates that a mother would have lost her virginity in order to get impregnated. However, dillo, the miracle of it all is the God created the human form of Jesus within Mary's womb, like -=d=- said.

Ever watch The History Channel?

(shrug) they did an hour-long show on Virgin Births.

 

[5stringJeff]

I suppose it would be possible with a sperm-filled turkey baster or an implanted embryo. But that medical technology wasn't available until the 20th century.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
I suppose it would be possible with a sperm-filled turkey baster or an implanted embryo. But that medical technology wasn't available until the 20th century.

Sperm also can live for some time outside the body. When the juices get flowing, well, just think of swimming up stream. It has happened when kids are just "fooling around" and no intercourse has taken place. However, I would not call that "sinless" virginal conception!

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
Sperm also can live for some time outside the body. When the juices get flowing, well, just think of swimming up stream. It has happened when kids are just "fooling around" and no intercourse has taken place. However, I would not call that "sinless" virginal conception!

But the woman would be a 'biological' virgin...that's the point for the example of "other virgin births have happened".

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by -=d=-
But the woman would be a 'biological' virgin...that's the point for the example of "other virgin births have happened".

Agreed. My emphasis was on the "sinless" part! lol (or the lack thereof)

 

[NewGuy]

Virgin birth also can happen now with cloning technology.

The Earthly father side will be there obviously, and therefore sin remains.

The point is that as technology gets better, and we prove the Bible could have been accurate through our new viewpoints, discrediting it on science becomes more and more difficult.

In the whole virgin birth thing, the only leg anyone could stand on is that God was the father.

Virgin birth is now provable scientific fact.

 

[dilloduck]

God has sperm?? cool

 

[freeandfun1]

dillo.... what were you saying about manners?

 

[dilloduck]

That wasn't meant as an insult---I just find it amazing. I apologize to anyone who took offense.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by dilloduck
God has sperm?? cool

God gives the 'spark of life'. it's not insemination.

 

[dilloduck]

So God "sparked " Marys' egg ? Newguy---help me here!

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by dilloduck
So God "sparked " Marys' egg ? Newguy---help me here!

Yeah. He 'created' the appropriate DNA used to bond to the DNA in Mary's egg.

 

[dilloduck]

Like he made Adam out of clay?

 

[5stringJeff]

Dillo, both the creation of Adam and the impregnation of Mary with Jesus' embryo (fertilized egg?) were the miraculous workings of God. No real way to chalk either one up to science.

 

[dmp]

Originally posted by dilloduck
Like He made Adam out of clay?

Could very well be.

 

[dilloduck]

That'll be a tough sell to my son.