Pyrrhic victory

[bodecea]

That is the definition of tonight's vote.

When the Dems pass this, it will be a pyrrhic victory, they will have won the battle and lost the war.

Don't think so?

Watch and see.

You think they will be punished for passing health care like they were punished for passing Civil Rights in 1965?

 

[bodecea]

A few things I've heard during the debates.

TRICARE which for those of you who don't know is the Military's health Care insurance will be taken away from the DOD.

Another Representative made certain that everyone knew that 37 states were working on legislation to fight this measure. And that 2 states had already passed laws to sue the USA.

A Rep fro Georgia said he was running for Governor of that fine state, and that if this passed he would spend his time making sure no citizen of Georgia had to live under it;s measures..

A Democrat Rep just claimed this Bill will create 400,000 jobs....... Is he on the right Bill?

I do truly hope this fails.

I think it is a wonderful Idea if the Red states refuse to buy into this health care. Then their citizens without health care can truely appreciate the wonderfulness of their Red Political majorities and the federal government can better use the federal support money it would have sent to the Red states to help cut down the Deficit.

 

[Xenophon]

That is the definition of tonight's vote.

When the Dems pass this, it will be a pyrrhic victory, they will have won the battle and lost the war.

Don't think so?

Watch and see.

The Democrats will have won the battle


The People of the United States will have WON THE WAR

No, but we will win, its good you realize that garbage won't survive barry's reign.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yah, xeno, it will.

 

[Xenophon]

You think they will be punished for passing health care like they were punished for passing Civil Rights in 1965?

Civil rights was bi-partisan and had the support of the electorate.

Don't try to waste our time with rediculous red herrings, save it for when you wave the falling flag as these goofs are voted out of office, and good riddence to that bad rubbish.

And I find it interesting how many of you support this rampant corruption, yet piss and moan about the state of the country.

Because you won't oppose these things, you are part of the problem.

 

[Xenophon]

Yah, xeno, it will.

You can dream, but that is all it is.

Once the majority is gone and you no longer have a POTUS veto, its bye-bye barrycare.

Dems set the stage for it, and they will reap what they sowed.

 

[Toro]

That is the definition of tonight's vote.

When the Dems pass this, it will be a pyrrhic victory, they will have won the battle and lost the war.

Don't think so?

Watch and see.

I've thought about this.

From a political sense, you might be correct.

But the liberals might see it the opposite way - they may see it as losing the battle (November elections) but winning the war (healthcare reform)

 

[Dr.House]

 

[JakeStarkey]

xeno is absolutely wrong on this, as he has been from the get go. It will not be repealed, ever, no more than Social Security, Civil Rights, Medicare, etc. We need to work on replacing and trimming and incentivization.

Sorry, son, it's done.

And I have been waiting for Dr. House to step on his dick. He just did so. See if you can figure out the answer, Dr. House. What a silly guy.

 

[SFC Ollie]

At least 2 Representatives have mentioned that this Bill is Unconstitutional, I am getting the feeling that if it passes it will be tied up in courts for a long time before it is rejected as BS.

 

[Xenophon]

That is the definition of tonight's vote.

When the Dems pass this, it will be a pyrrhic victory, they will have won the battle and lost the war.

Don't think so?

Watch and see.

I've thought about this.

From a political sense, you might be correct.

But the liberals might see it the opposite way - they may see it as losing the battle (November elections) but winning the war (healthcare reform)

The rights of the minority party are no longer respected at all, the Dems have set up 'winner takes all.'

The trouble is, you won't always be the winner, something the narrow minded Nancy pelosi & Harry Reid don't care about (both are past 70 and nearing the end of their careers, and even their time on earth).

Because of the way this was done, under-handed, lying and filled with payoffs, they gave the GoP the greatest campaign plank in US history. You could run satan on teh GoP ticket and win against what the Dems are doing, it is litterally political suicide.

The real tragedy is, its not healthcare reform and will cost millions of jobs and make the economy tank.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your feeling wrong is all, Ollie. And you, xeno, are floating in la la land.

 

[Dr.House]

Poor Jokey...

Pity him, folks...

 

[Xenophon]

xeno is absolutely wrong on this, as he has been from the get go. It will not be repealed, ever, no more than Social Security, Civil Rights, Medicare, etc. We need to work on replacing and trimming and incentivization.

Sorry, son, it's done.

And I have been waiting for Dr. House to step on his dick. He just did so. See if you can figure out the answer, Dr. House. What a silly guy.

Sorry Jake, but again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Everything you mentioned was done with BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND THE SUPPORT OF THE ELECTORATE.

Barrycare has neither.

It will join prohibition as another really bad idea done foolishly.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

The only thing bi-partisan about this bill is the opposition to it:

Democrats Say The Bill “Dramatically” Cuts Medicare, Will “Increase The Deficit,” Has “Explosive Costs,” “Skyrocketing Premiums,” And “Raising Taxes”

CUTS MEDICARE


REP. LARRY KISSELL (D-NC): "I Made A Promise And Commitment That I Would Look Out For Medicare, And I'm Doing That…The Method Of Funding Makes It Impossible For Me To Change My Vote On That Bill." (“Kissell Faces Pressure On Health Care,” Charlotte Observer, 03/03/10)

REP. JASON ALTMIRE (D-PA): "Particularly Hard Hit Would Be Western Pennsylvania’s Medicare Beneficiaries, Which Many Experts Believe Would Experience Dramatic Premium Increases With Enactment Of This Bill.” (Rep. Jason Altmire, Statement, 3/19/10)


INCREASES THE DEFICIT

REP. FRANK KRATOVIL (D-MD): “The bill’s overall price tag of $1.07 trillion is above the target set by democratic leadership earlier in the debate, even after cutting the $208 billion “doctor fix” out from previous versions of reform legislation. When this additional cost is added to this bill, the congressional budget office has stated that the package would increase deficit by $59 billion in the next 10 years.” (“Kratovil: “No On Health Care,” Baltimore Sun, 03/21/10)

REP. CHET EDWARDS (D-TX): “At a time of massive federal deficits, I believe these bills could make those deficits worse.” (Rep. Chet Edwards, Statement, 3/10)

REP. TRAVIS CHILDERS (D-MS): “I have reviewed the bill and I remain deeply concerned about the legislation’s large price tag and the absence of sufficiently strong language to prohibit federal funding of abortion. (Rep. Travis Childers, Statement, 3/18/10)

REP. ARTUR DAVIS (D-AL): “[A] comprehensive, 2000 page, near one trillion dollar overhaul of the healthcare system is just too cumbersome and too costly in a time of trillion dollar deficits.” (Rep. Artur Davis, Statement, 3/11/10)



EXPLOSIVE COSTS

REP. MICHAEL ARCURI (D-NY): “The health care package expected to be voted on in the coming days doesn't do enough to keep health care costs in check.” (Rep. Michael Arcuri, Statement, 3/18/10)

REP. JOHN BARROW (D-GA): “It puts too much of the burden of paying for it on working folks who are already being overcharged, and that’s not fair.”(Rep. John Barrow, Statement, 3/10)

REP. JOHN ADLER (D- NJ): “The final health care reform bill does not do enough to make health care affordable for middle-class families, small businesses, seniors and taxpayers.” (Rep. John Adler, Statement, 3/19/10)

REP. BOBBY BRIGHT (D-AL): “I simply believe we cannot afford the massive cost associated with these proposals, especially while our fragile economy continues to recover.” (Rep. Bobby Bright, Statement, 3/02/10)

REP. JIM MARSHALL (D-GA): “People are very concerned about cost; I’m concerned about cost. If you just do more of the same, which is largely what this does, more third party pay, that’s basically what the problem is here, then you’re going to get continued explosive costs.” (“Blue Dog Democrat says Obama health-care plan will bankrupt country,” The Daily Caller, 03/05/10)

REP. WALT MINNICK (D-ID): "I appreciate the thoughts of thousands of Idahoans on both sides of this issue. Although I plan to vote against the bill tomorrow due to serious concerns about costs, I sincerely hope that we can soon come together as a nation on the other important issues of the day." (“Idaho representatives ready for health care reform vote,” Idaho News Channel 7, 03/20/10)

REP. JOHN TANNER (D-TN): “I am unconvinced that the long-term trend of rising health care costs is adequately addressed and am therefore unable to support the legislation.” (Rep. John Tanner, Statement, 3/21/10)

REP. GLENN NYE (D-VA): “I am not convinced it will effectively reduce the cost of health care for families and small businesses.” (First-term Democrat Nye voting against health care bill,” Virginian Pilot, 03/21/10)



SKYROCKETING PREMIUMS

REP. MIKE McINTYRE (D-NC): “Health care reform is needed, but the bill before us is too expensive, does not adequately address rising medical costs and skyrocketing insurance premiums, and tries to do too much too soon. (Press Release, 03/19/10)

REP. JIM MATHESON (D-UT): “I am saddened that the year-long debate on health reform has resulted in legislation that is too expensive, contains too many special deals, does not contain health care costs and will result in increases in health insurance premiums and therefore I will vote against the legislation.” (Press Release, 03/20/10)



RAISES TAXES

REP. DAN BOREN (D-OK): “[T]here is no chance I am voting for this bill because it raises taxes on businesses, creates job-killing mandates, grows the size of government, and cuts services to seniors.” (Rep. Dan Boren, Statement, 2/24/10)

REP. ZACK SPACE (D-OH): "They are opening the door to taxing employee benefits as income, which is going to create, I don’t care how you slice it, a hardship for middle class families that they can’t afford to endure right now." (“Rep. Zack Space to vote against health care bill,” Cleveland Plain Dealer, 03/20/10)

Democrats are about to commit political suicide for a bill that will never be enacted.

Yet they ALL voted for this Bill...I don't trust a single person in the Congress!!!!!!!

 

[Dr.House]

That is the definition of tonight's vote.

When the Dems pass this, it will be a pyrrhic victory, they will have won the battle and lost the war.

Don't think so?

Watch and see.

I've thought about this.

From a political sense, you might be correct.

But the liberals might see it the opposite way - they may see it as losing the battle (November elections) but winning the war (healthcare reform)

I don't know of any politician who'd sacrifice re-election on one issue that most of America doesn't seem all cracked up about....

 

[JakeStarkey]

xeno is absolutely wrong on this, as he has been from the get go. It will not be repealed, ever, no more than Social Security, Civil Rights, Medicare, etc. We need to work on replacing and trimming and incentivization.

Sorry, son, it's done.

And I have been waiting for Dr. House to step on his dick. He just did so. See if you can figure out the answer, Dr. House. What a silly guy.

Sorry Jake, but again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Everything you mentioned was done with BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND THE SUPPORT OF THE ELECTORATE.

Barrycare has neither.

It will join prohibition as another really bad idea done foolishly.

That does not matter in the slightest. The voter will know that the GOP in Congress now is only about power not principle. They recognize what you are, xeno, and the American electorate will not support you. You will get your first lesson this November. We will see if you are bright enough and emotionally stable enough to learn. That will be interesting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And, as usual, as I kick Dr. House's butt all over the board, all he can do is neg rep me. Dr. House, quit whining, boy.

 

[Dr.House]

And, as usual, as I kick Dr. House's butt all over the board, all he can do is neg rep me. Dr. House, quit whining, boy.

Jokey whining about neg rep again...

Poor baby - want a cry towel?...

 

[Xenophon]

xeno is absolutely wrong on this, as he has been from the get go. It will not be repealed, ever, no more than Social Security, Civil Rights, Medicare, etc. We need to work on replacing and trimming and incentivization.

Sorry, son, it's done.

And I have been waiting for Dr. House to step on his dick. He just did so. See if you can figure out the answer, Dr. House. What a silly guy.

Sorry Jake, but again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Everything you mentioned was done with BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND THE SUPPORT OF THE ELECTORATE.

Barrycare has neither.

It will join prohibition as another really bad idea done foolishly.

That does not matter in the slightest. The voter will know that the GOP in Congress now is only about power not principle. They recognize what you are, xeno, and the American electorate will not support you. You will get your first lesson this November. We will see if you are bright enough and emotionally stable enough to learn. That will be interesting.

There you go again, exposing yourself.

I'm about America, it doesn't take long to get someone like you to admit that you were REALLY just about the Democrats.

Sorry, but I am not like you, I support NO party, I have always felt parties caused this problem the country is in, and you are a prime example of it, you only support this bill because you view it as a 'win for your side' and fuck the rest of us.

Sorry, its a loss for us all, and for your good, my good and ALL of us, I will continue to protest and reesist these things to the very end.

Its called conviction, ethics and love of country.

You should try it some time. It may surprise you to find how good it will make you feel.

The GoP sees the road to power that people like you give them, they were dead, now they will be in charge, and all they have to do is kill something they don't liek anyway to get it.

Have you yet understood what you have done?