Pvt. Bradley Manning: Cool | Fool | Tool

Just a question; is it possible to be 'giving aid and comfort in time of war' when Congress has not declared war?

take a basic civics class. good gawd, stop playing like you're a lawyer. :lol:

We are at war. We funded two wars. We are at war.

So, the constitutional definition is wrong, or just outdated? Any other parts we can throw away while we're at it?

The Constitution gets amended and laws get enacted. Take that civics class..start with basic civics 101
 
I have no comment on the story. This is off-topic to Dante. I had responded to a post that said Dante didn't know the Jews wrote the bible. I replied that is hysterical. He didn't know the book was Jewish? Anyhow, Leddley felt I was making fun of you because I had asked that question while stating it was funny to me....... and I wanted to be clear it was never my intention to embarrass you.

Lots of people do not realize the history of how the bible came about even though it is the most famous, documented - accurate article of antiquity ( book ) we have in the world today according to the foremost experts, scholars on the subject. Josh McDowells book, Evidence that demands a Verdict does a splendid job of explaining every detail of how the Torah / NT were recorded. If you'd be interested in learning more.

Anyhow, If in any way I humiliated you or caused you embarrassment by my laughing over it I do apologise. It was never intended to be construed as my mocking your intelligence. Just wanted to be clear about that. Thank you for your time.

Best regards, Jeremiah

Like quatumnitwit you missed the point were Dante specifically addressed the Christian Bible? :laugh2: good gawd you people do not read what you comment on. :laugh2:
 
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Actaully I DID sign up for the military and was present for some of the most intense fighting since the Vietnam war up till then, including seeing the bodies and body parts, at least those bodies and parts that weren't vaporized, of 220 of my brother Marines killed by fanatics stuffed into body bags, and no, I didn't crack under the pressure and betray my nation or my brother's in arms. Have YOU ever signed up? As for the information that he leaked that "made the Army look bad", in reality is more than mere whistle blowing, it is defined as giving aid and comfort to the enemy and his cause during a time of war and this is reason enough to give the scummy, traitorous piece of shit his 9oz's.

"fanatics". You mean people who didn't want foriengers on their land burning their farms and violating their women?

Yes, I did sign up.

But you didn't answer the question. how did making the army look bad in front of the American people "help" the enemy. By the time Manning released this video, the people had already wanted the war to end.

You obviously have no knowledge of the situation in Lebanon in the late 70's early 80's, it was a civil war douche. The Natiion's govt was dominated by pro-western Christians, which the muslims hated, and the foriegners that were running around burning farms, raping woman and murdering people where the arabs mistakenly called palistinians who flooded into Lebanon and their pan arabist allies and yeah, I did answer you, look to the above in red.
 
Right.

Because, gosh darn it, you signed right up for the military and never cracked under pressure.


Okay, injecting some sanity here.

If Manning leaked information that was of material value to the enemy, then he is guilty of espinoge. No doubt. No one seems to actually be claiming that.

If he leaked information that just made the Army look bad, frankly, that would make him a whistle-blower.

Actaully I DID sign up for the military and was present for some of the most intense fighting since the Vietnam war up till then, including seeing the bodies and body parts, at least those bodies and parts that weren't vaporized, of 220 of my brother Marines killed by fanatics stuffed into body bags, and no, I didn't crack under the pressure and betray my nation or my brother's in arms. Have YOU ever signed up? As for the information that he leaked that "made the Army look bad", in reality is more than mere whistle blowing, it is defined as giving aid and comfort to the enemy and his cause during a time of war and this is reason enough to give the scummy, traitorous piece of shit his 9oz's.

So...guessing from what you said, you were at the Marine Barracks at Beirut. What did you think about Reagan pulling everyone out of Lebanon after that?

One of the dumber moves he made, but not nearly as dumb as the ROE we lived under before we got pulled out.
 
"Sickened by bloodlust" yeah right. He volunteered for service. What did he think the Army was all about? His opinion of the US Military isn't a defense. It's the pitiful whining of a coward. If he had any balls he would admit that he thought he would be a left wing hero if he became a traitor but it didn't work out that way.
 
Actaully I DID sign up for the military and was present for some of the most intense fighting since the Vietnam war up till then, including seeing the bodies and body parts, at least those bodies and parts that weren't vaporized, of 220 of my brother Marines killed by fanatics stuffed into body bags, and no, I didn't crack under the pressure and betray my nation or my brother's in arms. Have YOU ever signed up? As for the information that he leaked that "made the Army look bad", in reality is more than mere whistle blowing, it is defined as giving aid and comfort to the enemy and his cause during a time of war and this is reason enough to give the scummy, traitorous piece of shit his 9oz's.

So...guessing from what you said, you were at the Marine Barracks at Beirut. What did you think about Reagan pulling everyone out of Lebanon after that?

There was no intense fighting in Beirut. 1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suspect a bullshit story here.:eusa_whistle:

I suspect a dumbass here.
Lebanon
18 April 83
US Marine among those killed by car bomb
28 Aug 83
Marine outpost comes under heavy small arms fire from anti-govt forces, Marines return fire
29 Aug 83
Marine Positions at Beirut airport come under heavy enemy artillery fire. Marines respond with small arms and artillery.
8 Sept 83
Marine positions at Beirut Airport again come under enemy artillery fire, Marines call in Naval Gunfire from USS Bownen.
Sept 83
Marines exchange fire during numerous sniper incidents throughout the month, even after cease fire goes into effect
23 Oct
Car bomb destroys HQ BLT 1/8, Marine Casualties, 220 KIA 70 WIA, 21 other US Military personnel KIA.
4 Dec 83
Artillery fire from anti-govt forces hits Marine Positions, 8 KIA 2 WIA, resumption of heavy exchanges of fire resumes.
20 Sept 84
Truck bomb detonates, 4 Marines WIA

Now go screw yourself you pansy assed little scumbag.
 
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Pvt. Bradley Manning: Cool | Fool | Tool

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Sitting at the defence bench in a hushed courtroom, Manning said he was sickened by the apparent "bloodlust" of a helicopter crew involved in an attack on a group in Baghdad that turned out to include Reuters correspondents and children.

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Manning said: "We were obsessed with capturing and killing human targets on lists and ignoring goals and missions. I believed if the public, particularly the American public, could see this it could spark a debate on the military and our foreign policy in general [that] might cause society to reconsider the need to engage in counter-terrorism while ignoring the human situation of the people we engaged with every day."


JUDY WOODRUFF: Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private who is charged with leaking massive amounts of classified material to the Web site WikiLeaks, entered guilty pleas today.

He pleaded guilty to 10 of the 22 charges against him, admitting to violating military regulations, but not federal espionage laws. Manning spoke for more than an hour in the military courtroom, explaining his reasons for leaking classified information.

He said -- quote -- "I believe that if the general public had access to the information, this could spark a domestic debate as to the role of the military and foreign policy in general." He added -- quote -- "I felt I accomplished something that would allow me to have a clear conscience."

Later in the day, the judge accepted Manning's pleas. He still faces trial on the remaining charges.

For more now on Manning's statement, his pleas and what comes next, we are joined by Charlie Savage of The New York Times, who was in the courtroom today, and Arun Rath, who has been covering the Manning case for PBS' FRONTLINE.

Bradley Manning Leaked Classified Documents to Spark 'Debate' on Foreign Policy | PBS NewsHour | Feb. 28, 2013 | PBS
Bradley Manning, the solider accused of the biggest unauthorised disclosure of state secrets in US history, has pleaded guilty to being the source of the leak, telling a military court that he passed the information to a whistleblowing website because he believed the American people had a right to know the "true costs of war".

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In a highly unusual move for a defendant in such a serious criminal prosecution, Manning pleaded guilty to 10 lesser charges out of his own volition – not as part of a plea bargain with the prosecution. He admitted to having possessed and willfully communicated to an unauthorised person – probably Julian Assange – all the main elements of the WikiLeaks disclosure.

That covered the so-called "Collateral Murder" video of an Apache helicopter attack in Iraq; some US diplomatic cables including one of the early WikiLeaks publications the Reykjavik cable; portions of the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs; some of the files on detainees in Guantánamo; and two intelligence memos.

Manning plea statement: Americans had a right to know 'true cost of war' | World news | The Guardian

I don't agree with what he did. But I also think he should have been released when he requested it. My understanding is he had friends who were let out of the military and he wanted out, he wanted to get a sex change operation and talked about feeling disconnected.

It seems to me nobody really listened to him and he acted out. :dunno:
 
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Nope, but you're an idiot and an a-hole that's for sure. Here's some advice dumbass, don't count on wikipedia for your facts, any dumbass, like you for instance, can edit.

Wikipedia-the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
 
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Was it his whole he would "gladly take your life" nonsense he spewed at you that tipped you off or his everything is the black mans fault schtick.:cool:

I never said I would take anyone's life you lyng sack of crap.

You implied it, by stating you would gladly accept him laying his life down for the country.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/general-discussion/272324-the-divided-states-of-america-3.html
 
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You obviously have no knowledge of the situation in Lebanon in the late 70's early 80's, it was a civil war douche. The Natiion's govt was dominated by pro-western Christians, which the muslims hated, and the foriegners that were running around burning farms, raping woman and murdering people where the arabs mistakenly called palistinians who flooded into Lebanon and their pan arabist allies and yeah, I did answer you, look to the above in red.

Here's the problem.,Besides the fact that I was referring to Vietnam. If you are talking about the foolishiness in Lebanon, I really don't know what to say.

Christians were the minority in Lebanon. We were essentially supporting an apartheid government.

We really had no business being in there.
 
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Nope, but you're an idiot and an a-hole that's for sure. Here's some advice dumbass, don't count on wikipedia for your facts, any dumbass, like you for instance, can edit.

Wikipedia-the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

Really? Next time try countering a fact instead of regurgitating shit.

You are a fraud
 
Pvt. Bradley Manning: Cool | Fool | Tool

How do you see Pvt. Manning. a tool, a fool, cool, or a combination of these?


Sitting at the defence bench in a hushed courtroom, Manning said he was sickened by the apparent "bloodlust" of a helicopter crew involved in an attack on a group in Baghdad that turned out to include Reuters correspondents and children.

...

Manning said: "We were obsessed with capturing and killing human targets on lists and ignoring goals and missions. I believed if the public, particularly the American public, could see this it could spark a debate on the military and our foreign policy in general [that] might cause society to reconsider the need to engage in counter-terrorism while ignoring the human situation of the people we engaged with every day."


JUDY WOODRUFF: Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private who is charged with leaking massive amounts of classified material to the Web site WikiLeaks, entered guilty pleas today.

He pleaded guilty to 10 of the 22 charges against him, admitting to violating military regulations, but not federal espionage laws. Manning spoke for more than an hour in the military courtroom, explaining his reasons for leaking classified information.

He said -- quote -- "I believe that if the general public had access to the information, this could spark a domestic debate as to the role of the military and foreign policy in general." He added -- quote -- "I felt I accomplished something that would allow me to have a clear conscience."

Later in the day, the judge accepted Manning's pleas. He still faces trial on the remaining charges.

For more now on Manning's statement, his pleas and what comes next, we are joined by Charlie Savage of The New York Times, who was in the courtroom today, and Arun Rath, who has been covering the Manning case for PBS' FRONTLINE.

Bradley Manning Leaked Classified Documents to Spark 'Debate' on Foreign Policy | PBS NewsHour | Feb. 28, 2013 | PBS
Bradley Manning, the solider accused of the biggest unauthorised disclosure of state secrets in US history, has pleaded guilty to being the source of the leak, telling a military court that he passed the information to a whistleblowing website because he believed the American people had a right to know the "true costs of war".

...

In a highly unusual move for a defendant in such a serious criminal prosecution, Manning pleaded guilty to 10 lesser charges out of his own volition – not as part of a plea bargain with the prosecution. He admitted to having possessed and willfully communicated to an unauthorised person – probably Julian Assange – all the main elements of the WikiLeaks disclosure.

That covered the so-called "Collateral Murder" video of an Apache helicopter attack in Iraq; some US diplomatic cables including one of the early WikiLeaks publications the Reykjavik cable; portions of the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs; some of the files on detainees in Guantánamo; and two intelligence memos.

Manning plea statement: Americans had a right to know 'true cost of war' | World news | The Guardian

I don't agree with what he did. But I also think he should have been released when he requested it. My understanding is he had friends who were let out of the military and he wanted out, he wanted to get a sex change operation and talked about feeling disconnected.

It seems to me nobody really listened to him and he acted out. :dunno:

that's all true, but he plead guilty to some of the charges relating to his breaking his sworn oaths.

He is disturbed on some level and it is sad, but...he knew better. He is a military brat
 
Manning is a fool one I have no sympathy for I don't care how upsetting he found the sight of real war and the horrors that go with it that does not give a private the right or the authority to do what he did any amount of jail time he gets won't be enough in my opinion.
 
The world is upside down these days. People defend a traitor who volunteered for the Army and had a cushy job because he WTF? Wanted a sex change?
 

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