Putin v. Hitler. do you agree that these 2 tyrants are very similar in many ways ?

[Bleipriester]

Ukraines economy hasn't been doing well for about thirty years. But what is your point? Get back to Russia?

Of course. They are direct neighbors. It is only logic to do trade with them.

I am more in favor with something like Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth.

Poles are against, Muscovite propaganda got them finally...

Ukraine and Poland's History Wars Are a Gift For Putin – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.../ukraine-and-polands-history-wars-are-a-gift-for-put...
Jan 24, 2017 - On Dec. 2, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko embarked on a hasty whirlwind tour of Warsaw to reassure Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Beata Szydło, and other senior officials that Ukraine was still committed to working together to counterbalance Russian influence in Eastern Europe and minimize ...

Poland can be in a Union even with evil Germany. So what? The strategic and military benefits of Russia are enormous.

As I said before, the main goal of Poland in external politics is to prevent creation of the Alliance of Three Black Eagles.

Paranoid pre-war timers.

 

[ESay]

Of course. They are direct neighbors. It is only logic to do trade with them.

I am more in favor with something like Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth.

Poles are against, Muscovite propaganda got them finally...

Ukraine and Poland's History Wars Are a Gift For Putin – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.../ukraine-and-polands-history-wars-are-a-gift-for-put...
Jan 24, 2017 - On Dec. 2, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko embarked on a hasty whirlwind tour of Warsaw to reassure Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Beata Szydło, and other senior officials that Ukraine was still committed to working together to counterbalance Russian influence in Eastern Europe and minimize ...

Poland can be in a Union even with evil Germany. So what? The strategic and military benefits of Russia are enormous.

As I said before, the main goal of Poland in external politics is to prevent creation of the Alliance of Three Black Eagles.

Paranoid pre-war timers.

History tends to repat itself.

 

[Bleipriester]

I am more in favor with something like Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth.

Poles are against, Muscovite propaganda got them finally...

Ukraine and Poland's History Wars Are a Gift For Putin – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.../ukraine-and-polands-history-wars-are-a-gift-for-put...
Jan 24, 2017 - On Dec. 2, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko embarked on a hasty whirlwind tour of Warsaw to reassure Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Beata Szydło, and other senior officials that Ukraine was still committed to working together to counterbalance Russian influence in Eastern Europe and minimize ...

Poland can be in a Union even with evil Germany. So what? The strategic and military benefits of Russia are enormous.

As I said before, the main goal of Poland in external politics is to prevent creation of the Alliance of Three Black Eagles.

Paranoid pre-war timers.

History tends to repat itself.

With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will.

 

[Litwin]

" With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will." your czar putler is product of 19c.

Kerry: Russia behaving like it's the 19th century - POLITICO

https://www.politico.com/.../kerry-russia-behaving-like-its-the-19th-century-184280
Mar 2, 2014 - Secretary of State John Kerry said Russia is behaving “in a 19th century fashion” by invading Ukrainian territory in what he called “an incredible ...
Democracy in Russia: Putin's Path into the 19th Century - Spiegel Online

www.spiegel.de › English Site › SPIEGEL Magazine › Russia
Jun 5, 2006 - The Russian president has completed his authoritarian state -- with a supervisory board for Russia's civil society. The new People's Chamber, ...

 

[Litwin]

And you read my posts more carefully.

"As a matter of fact, Ukraine´s economy was not doing well before and lived off Russian loans."

Ukraines economy hasn't been doing well for about thirty years. But what is your point? Get back to Russia?

Of course. They are direct neighbors. It is only logic to do trade with them.

I am more in favor with something like Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth.

Poles are against, Muscovite propaganda got them finally...

Ukraine and Poland's History Wars Are a Gift For Putin – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.../ukraine-and-polands-history-wars-are-a-gift-for-put...
Jan 24, 2017 - On Dec. 2, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko embarked on a hasty whirlwind tour of Warsaw to reassure Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Beata Szydło, and other senior officials that Ukraine was still committed to working together to counterbalance Russian influence in Eastern Europe and minimize ...

This article is about glorification of far right nationalists which fought in WWII and how this glorification angers the Polish government. Their anger is quite understandable.

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sorry my friend , a lot of mistakes here

1) UPA had the leftist ideology. Cuban communists have used a lot of UPA ideology
2) second polish republic (empire) , was the semi- fascist , apartheidic toward Ukrainians - Belarusians , antisemitic, undemocratic state . T. Snyder wrote 100 books on this subject. second polish republic (empire) was an ally Nazi Germany when it annexed part of Czechoslovakia. second polish republic (empire) occupied and annexed totally illegal western parts of BPR and UPR and some parts of LR
3) UPA was only one organization which fought successfully both totalitarian sect leaders Koba and Hitler

"
Within the region originally demanded from Czechoslovakia by Nazi Germany in 1938 was an important railway junction city of Bohumín. The Poles regarded the city as of crucial importance to the area and to Polish interests. On 28 September, Beneš composed a note to the Polish administration offering to reopen the debate surrounding the territorial demarcation in Těšínsko in the interest of mutual relations, but he delayed in sending it in hopes of good news from London and Paris, which failed to come. Beneš then turned to the Soviet leadership in Moscow, which begun a partial mobilisation in eastern Belarus and the Ukrainian SSR and threatened Poland with the dissolution of the Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact.[4]

At noon on 30 September, Poland gave an ultimatum to the Czechoslovak government. It demanded the immediate evacuation of Czechoslovak troops and police and gave Prague time until noon the following day. At 11:45 a.m. on 1 October the Czechoslovak foreign ministry called the Polish ambassador in Prague and told him that Poland could have what it wanted. The Polish Army, commanded by General Władysław Bortnowski, annexed an area of 801.5 km² with a population of 227,399 people.

The Germans were delighted with this outcome. They were happy to give up a provincial rail centre to Poland; it was a small sacrifice indeed. It spread the blame of the partition of Czechoslovakia, made Poland an accomplice in the process and confused the issue as well as political expectations. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Nazi Germany – a charge that Warsaw was hard put to deny.[5]
Poland occupied some northern parts of Slovakia and received from Czechoslovakia Zaolzie, territories around Suchá Hora and Hladovka, around Javorina, and in addition the territory around Lesnica in the Pieniny Mountains, a small territory around Skalité and some other very small border regions (they officially received the territories on 1 November 1938 (see also Munich Agreement and First Vienna Award)."

 

[ESay]

Ukraines economy hasn't been doing well for about thirty years. But what is your point? Get back to Russia?

Of course. They are direct neighbors. It is only logic to do trade with them.

I am more in favor with something like Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth.

Poles are against, Muscovite propaganda got them finally...

Ukraine and Poland's History Wars Are a Gift For Putin – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.../ukraine-and-polands-history-wars-are-a-gift-for-put...
Jan 24, 2017 - On Dec. 2, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko embarked on a hasty whirlwind tour of Warsaw to reassure Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Beata Szydło, and other senior officials that Ukraine was still committed to working together to counterbalance Russian influence in Eastern Europe and minimize ...

This article is about glorification of far right nationalists which fought in WWII and how this glorification angers the Polish government. Their anger is quite understandable.

.

sorry my friend , a lot of mistakes here

1) UPA had the leftist ideology. Cuban communists have used a lot of UPA ideology
2) second polish republic (empire) , was the semi- fascist , apartheidic toward Ukrainians - Belarusians , antisemitic, undemocratic state . T. Snyder wrote 100 books on this subject. second polish republic (empire) was an ally Nazi Germany when it annexed part of Czechoslovakia. second polish republic (empire) occupied and annexed totally illegal western parts of BPR and UPR and some parts of LR
3) UPA was only one organization which fought successfully both totalitarian sect leaders Koba and Hitler

"
Within the region originally demanded from Czechoslovakia by Nazi Germany in 1938 was an important railway junction city of Bohumín. The Poles regarded the city as of crucial importance to the area and to Polish interests. On 28 September, Beneš composed a note to the Polish administration offering to reopen the debate surrounding the territorial demarcation in Těšínsko in the interest of mutual relations, but he delayed in sending it in hopes of good news from London and Paris, which failed to come. Beneš then turned to the Soviet leadership in Moscow, which begun a partial mobilisation in eastern Belarus and the Ukrainian SSR and threatened Poland with the dissolution of the Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact.[4]

At noon on 30 September, Poland gave an ultimatum to the Czechoslovak government. It demanded the immediate evacuation of Czechoslovak troops and police and gave Prague time until noon the following day. At 11:45 a.m. on 1 October the Czechoslovak foreign ministry called the Polish ambassador in Prague and told him that Poland could have what it wanted. The Polish Army, commanded by General Władysław Bortnowski, annexed an area of 801.5 km² with a population of 227,399 people.

The Germans were delighted with this outcome. They were happy to give up a provincial rail centre to Poland; it was a small sacrifice indeed. It spread the blame of the partition of Czechoslovakia, made Poland an accomplice in the process and confused the issue as well as political expectations. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Nazi Germany – a charge that Warsaw was hard put to deny.[5]
Poland occupied some northern parts of Slovakia and received from Czechoslovakia Zaolzie, territories around Suchá Hora and Hladovka, around Javorina, and in addition the territory around Lesnica in the Pieniny Mountains, a small territory around Skalité and some other very small border regions (they officially received the territories on 1 November 1938 (see also Munich Agreement and First Vienna Award)."

Yes, Poland in mid-wars period behaved itself sometimes disgusting. Discrimination against the Ukrainians lasted for decades if not centuries before 20th century. It is because Ukrainian nationalists had anti-Polish views. But what did you mean? That Ukraine should continue glorification of UPA and Bandera?

And what do you mean saying UPA had a leftist ideology? In economics or what?

 

[ESay]

Poles are against, Muscovite propaganda got them finally...

Ukraine and Poland's History Wars Are a Gift For Putin – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.../ukraine-and-polands-history-wars-are-a-gift-for-put...
Jan 24, 2017 - On Dec. 2, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko embarked on a hasty whirlwind tour of Warsaw to reassure Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Beata Szydło, and other senior officials that Ukraine was still committed to working together to counterbalance Russian influence in Eastern Europe and minimize ...

Poland can be in a Union even with evil Germany. So what? The strategic and military benefits of Russia are enormous.

As I said before, the main goal of Poland in external politics is to prevent creation of the Alliance of Three Black Eagles.

Paranoid pre-war timers.

History tends to repat itself.

With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will.

A couple of posts above you said something like that Russia is a big country and it can have its sphere of influence.

 

[Litwin]

Of course. They are direct neighbors. It is only logic to do trade with them.

I am more in favor with something like Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth.

Poles are against, Muscovite propaganda got them finally...

Ukraine and Poland's History Wars Are a Gift For Putin – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/.../ukraine-and-polands-history-wars-are-a-gift-for-put...
Jan 24, 2017 - On Dec. 2, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko embarked on a hasty whirlwind tour of Warsaw to reassure Polish President Andrzej Duda, Prime Minister Beata Szydło, and other senior officials that Ukraine was still committed to working together to counterbalance Russian influence in Eastern Europe and minimize ...

This article is about glorification of far right nationalists which fought in WWII and how this glorification angers the Polish government. Their anger is quite understandable.

.

sorry my friend , a lot of mistakes here

1) UPA had the leftist ideology. Cuban communists have used a lot of UPA ideology
2) second polish republic (empire) , was the semi- fascist , apartheidic toward Ukrainians - Belarusians , antisemitic, undemocratic state . T. Snyder wrote 100 books on this subject. second polish republic (empire) was an ally Nazi Germany when it annexed part of Czechoslovakia. second polish republic (empire) occupied and annexed totally illegal western parts of BPR and UPR and some parts of LR
3) UPA was only one organization which fought successfully both totalitarian sect leaders Koba and Hitler

"
Within the region originally demanded from Czechoslovakia by Nazi Germany in 1938 was an important railway junction city of Bohumín. The Poles regarded the city as of crucial importance to the area and to Polish interests. On 28 September, Beneš composed a note to the Polish administration offering to reopen the debate surrounding the territorial demarcation in Těšínsko in the interest of mutual relations, but he delayed in sending it in hopes of good news from London and Paris, which failed to come. Beneš then turned to the Soviet leadership in Moscow, which begun a partial mobilisation in eastern Belarus and the Ukrainian SSR and threatened Poland with the dissolution of the Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact.[4]

At noon on 30 September, Poland gave an ultimatum to the Czechoslovak government. It demanded the immediate evacuation of Czechoslovak troops and police and gave Prague time until noon the following day. At 11:45 a.m. on 1 October the Czechoslovak foreign ministry called the Polish ambassador in Prague and told him that Poland could have what it wanted. The Polish Army, commanded by General Władysław Bortnowski, annexed an area of 801.5 km² with a population of 227,399 people.

The Germans were delighted with this outcome. They were happy to give up a provincial rail centre to Poland; it was a small sacrifice indeed. It spread the blame of the partition of Czechoslovakia, made Poland an accomplice in the process and confused the issue as well as political expectations. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Nazi Germany – a charge that Warsaw was hard put to deny.[5]
Poland occupied some northern parts of Slovakia and received from Czechoslovakia Zaolzie, territories around Suchá Hora and Hladovka, around Javorina, and in addition the territory around Lesnica in the Pieniny Mountains, a small territory around Skalité and some other very small border regions (they officially received the territories on 1 November 1938 (see also Munich Agreement and First Vienna Award)."

Yes, Poland in mid-wars period behaved itself sometimes disgusting. Discrimination against the Ukrainians lasted for decades if not centuries before 20th century. It is because Ukrainian nationalists had anti-Polish views. But what did you mean? That Ukraine should continue glorification of UPA and Bandera?

And what do you mean saying UPA had a leftist ideology? In economics or what?

why they ´d not these who were dying for Ukrainian independent state and which defended Ukrainians from Polish semi -fascist state. NKVD- terrorists, communist red-army, polish AK and German Nazis ? specially , S Bandera . whats wrong with this figure? but you have a point here, too much Stalinist and Greater Poland propaganda against UPA today, its smarter for UR to hold lower profile on this subject

"
he Bandera Movement is preparing a revolt in the Reichskommissariat which has as its ultimate aim the establishment of an independent Ukraine. All functionaries of the Bandera Movement must be arrested at once and, after thorough interrogation, are to be liquidated...".[49] On 5 July, Bandera was transferred to Berlin. On 12 July, the prime minister of the newly formed Ukrainian National Government, Yaroslav Stetsko, was also arrested and taken to Berlin. ..... On 15 September 1941 Bandera and leading OUN members were arrested by the Gestapo.

In January 1942, Bandera was transferred to Sachsenhausen concentration camp's special barrack for high-profile political prisoners Zellenbau.[50]"

Ukrainian and Belarusian statehood ideologies are leftish in general , meanwhile Polish and Muscovite ideologies are rightish . there are many books about UPA ideology which was mainly developed by Ukrainian Jews, and you can easy find this information.

 

[xyz]

I think Putin and Hitler used very different tactics.

Hitler took power much faster and with greater violence. Not to say Putin doesn't use violence, he had his political rival Nemtsov killed, as just one example.

And Putin still tries to fake democracy, while Hitler didn't even bother to pretend to do so.

 

[Bleipriester]

Poland can be in a Union even with evil Germany. So what? The strategic and military benefits of Russia are enormous.

As I said before, the main goal of Poland in external politics is to prevent creation of the Alliance of Three Black Eagles.

Paranoid pre-war timers.

History tends to repat itself.

With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will.

A couple of posts above you said something like that Russia is a big country and it can have its sphere of influence.

Yes, I did. What does that have to do with the Poles?

 

[Litwin]

I think Putin and Hitler used very different tactics.

Hitler took power much faster and with greater violence. Not to say Putin doesn't use violence, he had his political rival Nemtsov killed, as just one example.

And Putin still tries to fake democracy, while Hitler didn't even bother to pretend to do so.

"
I think Putin and Hitler used very different tactics.

Hitler took power much faster and with greater violence. Not to say Putin doesn't use violence, he had his political rival Nemtsov killed, as just one example."

my friend you are 100% wrong, Putin used much more violence in order to consolidate power around him


The Less You Know, the Better You Sleep: Russia's Road to Terror and Dictatorship under Yeltsin and Putler

David Satter, Kevin Klose, Carl Gershman, Robert Amsterdam, and Charles Davidson discuss Satter's book on Putin and the FSB's role in the 1999 apartment bombings.

 

[Litwin]

 

[ESay]

As I said before, the main goal of Poland in external politics is to prevent creation of the Alliance of Three Black Eagles.

Paranoid pre-war timers.

History tends to repat itself.

With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will.

A couple of posts above you said something like that Russia is a big country and it can have its sphere of influence.

Yes, I did. What does that have to do with the Poles?

Because for decades Poland was in Russian sphere of influence.
Who will determine the boundaries of this sphere? Russia? Germany?

My answer was more about 'paranoid pre war timers', BTW.

 

[Bleipriester]

Paranoid pre-war timers.

History tends to repat itself.

With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will.

A couple of posts above you said something like that Russia is a big country and it can have its sphere of influence.

Yes, I did. What does that have to do with the Poles?

Because for decades Poland was in Russian sphere of influence.
Who will determine the boundaries of this sphere? Russia? Germany?

My answer was more about 'paranoid pre war timers', BTW.

And those are the Poles.

You ask about the reach of Russia´s sphere of influence? How big should America´s be?

 

[ESay]

History tends to repat itself.

With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will.

A couple of posts above you said something like that Russia is a big country and it can have its sphere of influence.

Yes, I did. What does that have to do with the Poles?

Because for decades Poland was in Russian sphere of influence.
Who will determine the boundaries of this sphere? Russia? Germany?

My answer was more about 'paranoid pre war timers', BTW.

And those are the Poles.

You ask about the reach of Russia´s sphere of influence? How big should America´s be?

Not surprisingly, considering the mindset of their neighbours.

Ideally, this sphere should end with their borders. This stands for any other country.

 

[Bleipriester]

With those pre-war timers in charge, it certainly will.

A couple of posts above you said something like that Russia is a big country and it can have its sphere of influence.

Yes, I did. What does that have to do with the Poles?

Because for decades Poland was in Russian sphere of influence.
Who will determine the boundaries of this sphere? Russia? Germany?

My answer was more about 'paranoid pre war timers', BTW.

And those are the Poles.

You ask about the reach of Russia´s sphere of influence? How big should America´s be?

Not surprisingly, considering the mindset of their neighbours.

Ideally, this sphere should end with their borders. This stands for any other country.

Stop defending them. Without the mindset our their neighbors, Poland would still be a NIC.

 

[ESay]

A couple of posts above you said something like that Russia is a big country and it can have its sphere of influence.

Yes, I did. What does that have to do with the Poles?

Because for decades Poland was in Russian sphere of influence.
Who will determine the boundaries of this sphere? Russia? Germany?

My answer was more about 'paranoid pre war timers', BTW.

And those are the Poles.

You ask about the reach of Russia´s sphere of influence? How big should America´s be?

Not surprisingly, considering the mindset of their neighbours.

Ideally, this sphere should end with their borders. This stands for any other country.

Stop defending them. Without the mindset our their neighbors, Poland would still be a NIC.

What NIC means?

 

[Bleipriester]

Yes, I did. What does that have to do with the Poles?

Because for decades Poland was in Russian sphere of influence.
Who will determine the boundaries of this sphere? Russia? Germany?

My answer was more about 'paranoid pre war timers', BTW.

And those are the Poles.

You ask about the reach of Russia´s sphere of influence? How big should America´s be?

Not surprisingly, considering the mindset of their neighbours.

Ideally, this sphere should end with their borders. This stands for any other country.

Stop defending them. Without the mindset our their neighbors, Poland would still be a NIC.

What NIC means?

Newly industrialized country.

Newly industrialized country - Wikipedia

 

[ESay]

Because for decades Poland was in Russian sphere of influence.
Who will determine the boundaries of this sphere? Russia? Germany?

My answer was more about 'paranoid pre war timers', BTW.

And those are the Poles.

You ask about the reach of Russia´s sphere of influence? How big should America´s be?

Not surprisingly, considering the mindset of their neighbours.

Ideally, this sphere should end with their borders. This stands for any other country.

Stop defending them. Without the mindset our their neighbors, Poland would still be a NIC.

What NIC means?

Newly industrialized country.

Newly industrialized country - Wikipedia

I see. Thanks to the mindset of their neighbour's, Poland lost its statehood in 18th century and was destroyed in 20th. And now you are talking about NIC.

 

[Bleipriester]

And those are the Poles.

You ask about the reach of Russia´s sphere of influence? How big should America´s be?

Not surprisingly, considering the mindset of their neighbours.

Ideally, this sphere should end with their borders. This stands for any other country.

Stop defending them. Without the mindset our their neighbors, Poland would still be a NIC.

What NIC means?

Newly industrialized country.

Newly industrialized country - Wikipedia

I see. Thanks to the mindset of their neighbour's, Poland lost its statehood in 18th century and was destroyed in 20th. And now you are talking about NIC.

Poor peaceful Poles...