Put another nail in the coffin of "Global Warming."

[westwall]

Those pulling the strings behind the climate change movement, do so because they believe if they can convince enough people with their dire warnings, they can get new laws enacted that will hinder capitalism. That's really the actual goal, it's all about ending the growth of capitalism.
The followers either know and agree with the true motives, or they have such an irrational fear of a change to the globe, that they're willing to vote for more a d more severe regulations.

Sounds like you've uncovered yet another conspiracy with your secret (Youtube) knowledge.

Not a conspiracy at all. They publicly tell you what their goal is. The fact that you're too stupid to understand it is on you. Not us.

“Climate policy distributes the world’s wealth"
Climate change has to do with environmental protection hardly anything, says economist Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which it came to the allocation of resources. Interview: Bernard Pötter

UN Official Confesses Climate Change is just Wealth Redistribution aka COMMUNISM Nevada Governor 2014 David Lory VanDerBeek Nevada Governor 2014

 

[Freewill]

Here is what I think and what I think resolves the issue for both sides.

First of a lot of people remember the scares of the late 60s and early 70s. Those not around could hardly remember but the fear was real. We would run out of oil years ago. The Earth's population could not be supported when it was billions less. There was going to be an ice age. It was all so dire and I was a firm believer, until one guy said, "we'll take care of it." Well I don't think we took care of it but the predictions were very, very wrong. So now anything is looked at with skepticism.

On the other hand you have a bunch of scientists who collect a lot of data on temperature. This data needs to be manipulated to account for various environmental conditions so it is not just a matter of reading a themometer and writhing down a temperatue. So they do their thing and it looks bad so they write a paper, scientists that didn't work with the numbers directly look at the research and agree. Then we get more technical in the data and more precise in the treatment of that data and lo and behold no global warming for 10 years even though CO2 increase has not slowed down, except in America.

Now the scientists don't like to be wrong just like everyone else. Since most of the scientists based their opinions on the work of others until those who originally worked the numbers come out and say they were wrong, nothing is going to change.

What I see in my neck of the woods is not hotter, at least this Summer, but colder. Don't really like the idea of colder,

 

[Truman123]

Those pulling the strings behind the climate change movement, do so because they believe if they can convince enough people with their dire warnings, they can get new laws enacted that will hinder capitalism. That's really the actual goal, it's all about ending the growth of capitalism.
The followers either know and agree with the true motives, or they have such an irrational fear of a change to the globe, that they're willing to vote for more a d more severe regulations.

Sounds like you've uncovered yet another conspiracy with your secret (Youtube) knowledge.

Not a conspiracy at all. They publicly tell you what their goal is. The fact that you're too stupid to understand it is on you. Not us.

“Climate policy distributes the world’s wealth"
Climate change has to do with environmental protection hardly anything, says economist Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which it came to the allocation of resources. Interview: Bernard Pötter

UN Official Confesses Climate Change is just Wealth Redistribution aka COMMUNISM Nevada Governor 2014 David Lory VanDerBeek Nevada Governor 2014

Here's a hint. Don't use whack job websites to bolster your argument.

 

[westwall]

Those pulling the strings behind the climate change movement, do so because they believe if they can convince enough people with their dire warnings, they can get new laws enacted that will hinder capitalism. That's really the actual goal, it's all about ending the growth of capitalism.
The followers either know and agree with the true motives, or they have such an irrational fear of a change to the globe, that they're willing to vote for more a d more severe regulations.

Sounds like you've uncovered yet another conspiracy with your secret (Youtube) knowledge.

Not a conspiracy at all. They publicly tell you what their goal is. The fact that you're too stupid to understand it is on you. Not us.

“Climate policy distributes the world’s wealth"
Climate change has to do with environmental protection hardly anything, says economist Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which it came to the allocation of resources. Interview: Bernard Pötter

UN Official Confesses Climate Change is just Wealth Redistribution aka COMMUNISM Nevada Governor 2014 David Lory VanDerBeek Nevada Governor 2014

Here's a hint. Don't use whack job websites to bolster your argument.

Ummm, hate to break it to you numbskull, but that is the Nevada State Governors website, and it links to the German magazine where the man made the claim. Before you bloviate and prove to the world what a complete and total idiot you are I suggest you check the source first. Moron.

 

[BluesLegend]

Meh the left is always waging some version of 'the sky is falling' propaganda campaign against corporations, global warming is just the latest.

 

[mamooth]

You deniers can keep preaching to the other members of the choir here in your little echo chamber, but the world and the science have simply moved on without you. You're not even visible in the rear view mirror.

Enjoy your complete irrelevance. You've earned it, through your years of dedication to blatant political hysteria, stinking in epic fashion at the science, and your massive cherrypicking and data fudging (Westwall's particular favorite). And that would be why the world justifiably ignores you. There's no GlobalSocialistConspiracy; you're just a pack of kook political cultists.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Why is this not moved to the religion forum where it belongs?

Because this isn't about religion. Nice try.

Pope Algore's gonna excommunicate your sorry ass. But the rest of you can stay if you promise to shut up about lack of faith.

Amen Brother!

 

[teapartysamurai]

You deniers can keep preaching to the other members of the choir here in your little echo chamber, but the world and the science have simply moved on without you. You're not even visible in the rear view mirror.

Enjoy your complete irrelevance. You've earned it, through your years of dedication to blatant political hysteria, stinking in epic fashion at the science, and your massive cherrypicking and data fudging (Westwall's particular favorite). And that would be why the world justifiably ignores you. There's no GlobalSocialistConspiracy; you're just a pack of kook political cultists.

Yeah, honey, you better look in the mirror when you say that, because that's what is happening to Global Warming. People are finally wising up to the fact it's a scam. It's a scam put out by people who make money off of it like Al Gore.

When Al Gore sells his own Green TV to BIG OIL Al Jazera it becomes obvious just how cynical this scam really is.

Notice the "faithful" don't even want to talk about Pope Gore anymore?

That's why!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Look people. I used to work as a secretary in Hosp and Health. I know how the "funding" games works.

If those funding you want you to find out zebras are really martians in disguise then, HOT DAMN you will find zebras are really martians in disguise if you want that money to keep coming in.

My boss actually delivered a study where he found a result the funding body didn't want. The money dried up immediately. It dried up so fast, we didn't have funds to print that damn thing professionally, and I ended up printing all of them on the office copy machine!

That's how it works. Especially, when you have a politically motivated "science," you cannot trust the outcomes.

Especially, when those pushing those outcomes are doing everything they can to shut up any challenge to it. That doesn't smack of honest science. That smacks of political calculation and trying to keep anyone from gumming up the works.

I forgot to mention I was a secretary at Hosp and Health at Ohio State University. I left out the OSU. Oops!

 

[jc456]

You deniers can keep preaching to the other members of the choir here in your little echo chamber, but the world and the science have simply moved on without you. You're not even visible in the rear view mirror.

Enjoy your complete irrelevance. You've earned it, through your years of dedication to blatant political hysteria, stinking in epic fashion at the science, and your massive cherrypicking and data fudging (Westwall's particular favorite). And that would be why the world justifiably ignores you. There's no GlobalSocialistConspiracy; you're just a pack of kook political cultists.

So, does this mean you're leaving this forum? Bye!

 

[teapartysamurai]

You deniers can keep preaching to the other members of the choir here in your little echo chamber, but the world and the science have simply moved on without you. You're not even visible in the rear view mirror.

Enjoy your complete irrelevance. You've earned it, through your years of dedication to blatant political hysteria, stinking in epic fashion at the science, and your massive cherrypicking and data fudging (Westwall's particular favorite). And that would be why the world justifiably ignores you. There's no GlobalSocialistConspiracy; you're just a pack of kook political cultists.

So, does this mean you're leaving this forum? Bye!

No it means. like other liberals she's going to stick her fingers in her ears, yell la la la la and pretend her "reality' is the only "reality" allowed.

 

[jc456]

You deniers can keep preaching to the other members of the choir here in your little echo chamber, but the world and the science have simply moved on without you. You're not even visible in the rear view mirror.

Enjoy your complete irrelevance. You've earned it, through your years of dedication to blatant political hysteria, stinking in epic fashion at the science, and your massive cherrypicking and data fudging (Westwall's particular favorite). And that would be why the world justifiably ignores you. There's no GlobalSocialistConspiracy; you're just a pack of kook political cultists.

So, does this mean you're leaving this forum? Bye!

No it means. like other liberals she's going to stick her fingers in her ears, yell la la la la and pretend her "reality' is the only "reality" allowed.

that's just stoopid. Doh!!!!

 

[Ellipsis]

And yes, I'm putting this in POLITICS BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE OPTICS AND THE POLITICS of this liberal fraud, called "climate change."

Climate change PROVED to be 'nothing but a lie', claims top meteorologist

THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed.

I have studied climate change seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid

John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel.

In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: "The ocean is not rising significantly.

"The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.

"Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).

Climate change is a lie Global warming not real claims Weather Channel founder Nature News Daily Express

Now, liberals will go NUTS at this. Part of their power stems from scaring people into believing they NEED big government policies or they are all going to die.

Global Warming is the biggest government control fraud of this and last century.

The belief that only big government taxes, big government control will save us from all dying from warm weather.

I know Old Rocks, for one will come in here like a blaze of glory quoting every trite, fraudulent study claiming global warming is true.

But it's becoming more and more evident the game has been rigged, the studies little more than fraud, and the rats are leaving the ship.

I always knew this was a fraud.

Now maybe everyone else will.

I expect in less than 20/30 years people will treat Global warming like they now treat other "scientific" frauds like piltdown man, spiritualism, and eugenics.

President 'has four years to save Earth'
US must take the lead to avert eco-disaster!
Robin McKie in New York
The Observer, Saturday 17 January 2009
Barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of Nasa scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new president could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

If AGW is not resolved by 2013, we're all going to die. That's just a fact, and NASA says so.

 

[jc456]

And yes, I'm putting this in POLITICS BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE OPTICS AND THE POLITICS of this liberal fraud, called "climate change."

Climate change PROVED to be 'nothing but a lie', claims top meteorologist

THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed.

I have studied climate change seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid

John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel.

In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: "The ocean is not rising significantly.

"The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.

"Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).

Climate change is a lie Global warming not real claims Weather Channel founder Nature News Daily Express

Now, liberals will go NUTS at this. Part of their power stems from scaring people into believing they NEED big government policies or they are all going to die.

Global Warming is the biggest government control fraud of this and last century.

The belief that only big government taxes, big government control will save us from all dying from warm weather.

I know Old Rocks, for one will come in here like a blaze of glory quoting every trite, fraudulent study claiming global warming is true.

But it's becoming more and more evident the game has been rigged, the studies little more than fraud, and the rats are leaving the ship.

I always knew this was a fraud.

Now maybe everyone else will.

I expect in less than 20/30 years people will treat Global warming like they now treat other "scientific" frauds like piltdown man, spiritualism, and eugenics.

President 'has four years to save Earth'
US must take the lead to avert eco-disaster!
Robin McKie in New York
The Observer, Saturday 17 January 2009
Barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of Nasa scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new president could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

If AGW is not resolved by 2013, we're all going to die. That's just a fact, and NASA says so.

So, there is but one thing for sure. We all will die someday. Good call

 

[teapartysamurai]

You deniers can keep preaching to the other members of the choir here in your little echo chamber, but the world and the science have simply moved on without you. You're not even visible in the rear view mirror.

Enjoy your complete irrelevance. You've earned it, through your years of dedication to blatant political hysteria, stinking in epic fashion at the science, and your massive cherrypicking and data fudging (Westwall's particular favorite). And that would be why the world justifiably ignores you. There's no GlobalSocialistConspiracy; you're just a pack of kook political cultists.

So, does this mean you're leaving this forum? Bye!

No it means. like other liberals she's going to stick her fingers in her ears, yell la la la la and pretend her "reality' is the only "reality" allowed.

that's just stoopid. Doh!!!!

It may be stupid, but it's what liberals do. They live in a bubble.

 

[teapartysamurai]

And yes, I'm putting this in POLITICS BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE OPTICS AND THE POLITICS of this liberal fraud, called "climate change."

Climate change PROVED to be 'nothing but a lie', claims top meteorologist

THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed.

I have studied climate change seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid

John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel.

In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: "The ocean is not rising significantly.

"The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.

"Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).

Climate change is a lie Global warming not real claims Weather Channel founder Nature News Daily Express

Now, liberals will go NUTS at this. Part of their power stems from scaring people into believing they NEED big government policies or they are all going to die.

Global Warming is the biggest government control fraud of this and last century.

The belief that only big government taxes, big government control will save us from all dying from warm weather.

I know Old Rocks, for one will come in here like a blaze of glory quoting every trite, fraudulent study claiming global warming is true.

But it's becoming more and more evident the game has been rigged, the studies little more than fraud, and the rats are leaving the ship.

I always knew this was a fraud.

Now maybe everyone else will.

I expect in less than 20/30 years people will treat Global warming like they now treat other "scientific" frauds like piltdown man, spiritualism, and eugenics.

President 'has four years to save Earth'
US must take the lead to avert eco-disaster!
Robin McKie in New York
The Observer, Saturday 17 January 2009
Barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of Nasa scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new president could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

If AGW is not resolved by 2013, we're all going to die. That's just a fact, and NASA says so.

I don't see how Nasa knows anything considering they are now doing Muslim Outreach thanks to Obama.

NASA Chief Bolden s Muslim Remark to Al-Jazeera Causes Stir

 

[Mustang]

Any attempt to refute a working theory which is supported by the evidence involves coming up with a viable alternate theory to account for the data. Once that's proffered, one must be able to present evidence to support the alternate theory. While anyone and his brother can postulate a alternate theory, presenting evidence both to support your new theory while refuting the currently accepted theory by presenting countervailing evidence for why the Earth is warming is the hard part. Nobody has accomplished that yet.

0_0

No. Incorrect. Highly incorrect. What you are describing is an argument to ignorance. You are demanding acceptance of your theory based on lack of evidence to the contrary. Your position must be supported by its own evidence sufficiently convincing to warrant acceptance by others.

It is supported by the evidence. That's why the theory has overwhelming acceptance among climatologists and other scientists who are working in the field. And try as they might, people who espouse alternate theories have been unable to present adequate evidence to support their different theories.

 

[jc456]

Any attempt to refute a working theory which is supported by the evidence involves coming up with a viable alternate theory to account for the data. Once that's proffered, one must be able to present evidence to support the alternate theory. While anyone and his brother can postulate a alternate theory, presenting evidence both to support your new theory while refuting the currently accepted theory by presenting countervailing evidence for why the Earth is warming is the hard part. Nobody has accomplished that yet.

0_0

No. Incorrect. Highly incorrect. What you are describing is an argument to ignorance. You are demanding acceptance of your theory based on lack of evidence to the contrary. Your position must be supported by its own evidence sufficiently convincing to warrant acceptance by others.

It is supported by the evidence. That's why the theory has overwhelming acceptance among climatologists and other scientists who are working in the field. And try as they might, people who espouse alternate theories have been unable to present adequate evidence to support their different theories.

hahahahaahahahaaha, theory, do you even know what the definition is? Tell you what, you provide evidence that 120 PPM of CO2 affects temperatures, let's discuss further. But through today, know one has so you are LoSiNg with that thought.

 

[Crick]

Any attempt to refute a working theory which is supported by the evidence involves coming up with a viable alternate theory to account for the data. Once that's proffered, one must be able to present evidence to support the alternate theory. While anyone and his brother can postulate a alternate theory, presenting evidence both to support your new theory while refuting the currently accepted theory by presenting countervailing evidence for why the Earth is warming is the hard part. Nobody has accomplished that yet.

No. Incorrect. Highly incorrect

Mustang is correct. You are not.

What you are describing is an argument to ignorance.

Theories supported by evidence are not "arguments to (sic) ignorance". BTW that should be "argument FROM ignorance" or "APPEAL to ignorance". We have gone over this exact point in discussions past.

It is not being argued here that AGW is correct because the alternative theories lack evidence. It is being argued that the alternative theories are untenable because they lack evidence. AGW is extremely well supported by evidence. Alternative theories are not.

You are demanding acceptance of your theory based on lack of evidence to the contrary.

Hardly. Go to IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. There you will find mountains of evidence in support of AGW. If you know of some source for a similar level of evidentiary support for any of the several alternate theories, we'd very much like to see a link.

Your position must be supported by its own evidence sufficiently convincing to warrant acceptance by others.

God are you stupid.

 

[SwimExpert]

It is supported by the evidence. That's why the theory has overwhelming acceptance among climatologists and other scientists who are working in the field. And try as they might, people who espouse alternate theories have been unable to present adequate evidence to support their different theories.

That a theory is supported by some body of evidence does not preclude argument's to ignorance. For example:

A man walks into his house soaking, dripping wet. His wife raises a hypothesis - He tripped over their son's bike and fell into the pool. The wife subsequently chastises the son for leaving his bike outside. The evidence supports the wife's hypothesis. However, if she demands the son accept that hypothesis because no alternative has been presented, then her logic is flawed. This can be easily seen when it turns out the man took a walk down the street before coming inside, and got caught in a neighbor's lawn sprinklers, which turned on suddenly without warning.