Zone1 Preterism: Has All Prophecy Been Fulfilled?

[surada]

Which one? There are 4. Explain them for us. And yeah, if your right, I have to rip out Daniel. He calculated May 14, 1948. Then again Daniel didn't have your insight...
For the one hundredth time. WHERE IS JESUS? Show me a picture of the Mount of Olives, split in half after the earthquake Christ created when He returned.
Zechariah 14:4
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south

Mount of Olives was split in two from east to west by a Roman road in the first century.

Daniel didn't calculate a date at all. Some charlatan did that.

Are you familiar with Antiochus IV Epiphanies or the Maccabean revolt?

 

[The Irish Ram]

He didn't chain Nero. Nero was dead.

Then he doesn't fit the Bible verses.
The Jewish remnant flees to Petra and are safe for 3 and 1/2 years. We know they are Jews because of the reference to the Sabbath:
So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. (Matthew 24:15-22)

So, if Nero stood and watched the bomb dropped on Hiroshima would he admit that it was worse that any carnage he created?

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The mountains the the remnant of Jews flee to:

What is Bozrah?​

It lies in the mountain district of Petra, 20 miles to the south-east of the Dead Sea.

 

[The Irish Ram]

WHERE IS JESUS? Tell me about His millennial reign after he chains the antichrist for 1,000 years. Did it really last for 1,000 years
Show me the picture of the Mt. of Olives split in two that happened when Christ's foot touched down.

 

[theHawk]

The New Jerusalem is spiritual.
Revelation tells us that it will happen soon, shortly, before this generation tastes death.

John of Patmos identifies himself as your brother in tribulation.

It's all in the present tense.

Wrong.

He says none of those things can happen until the Gospel is spread to the ends of the earth.

”this generation” is referring to the generation that experiences the beginning of the signs. That generation will see everything happen as it will all happen quickly as opposed to over several generations.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Mount of Olives was split in two from east to west by a Roman road in the first century.

Daniel didn't calculate a date at all. Some charlatan did that.

Are you familiar with Antiochus IV Epiphanies or the Maccabean revolt?

There ya go. The Bible says an earthquake splits the Mt. of Olives, not a road.
There is your version, and then there is God's version:

Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Where is Jesus? Tell me all about His millennial reign...

 

[HaShev]

Rapture theology is a typical translation error gone array with the blind following the blind.
Theslonians is plagiarizing Daniel whereby son of man comes with or out of the "clouds" meaning gathering of temple priests. Moshiach comes out of the lineage of the Kohanim and with the gathering of Kohanim during the procession to the temple to come. People are therefore going "up to Mt. Zion" to this enraptured event and gathering (clouds=gathering) for the procession of the Moshiach to his temple (Mikdash) in his name. That's why Theslonians says the call to the Temple is from the shout of the top messenger (head of hosts) Michael who's name is in the temple and who Daniel said was the "Redeemer" to come who gave him his visions to come.
-Dan 12:1-4

 

[surada]

Then he doesn't fit the Bible verses.
The Jewish remnant flees to Petra and are safe for 3 and 1/2 years. We know they are Jews because of the reference to the Sabbath:
So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. (Matthew 24:15-22)

So, if Nero stood and watched the bomb dropped on Hiroshima would he admit that it was worse that any carnage he created?

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The mountains the the remnant of Jews flee to:

What is Bozrah?​

It lies in the mountain district of Petra, 20 miles to the south-east of the Dead Sea.

Not Petra.... Pella. They fled Jerusalem for Pella to avoid the tribulation.

 

[surada]

post that scripture please.

Read the revelation letter.

 

[surada]

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HaShev

Written to encourage Jews undergoing persecution at the hands of Antiochus Epiphanes, the Seleucid king of Syria, the visions of chapters 7–12 predict the end of the earthly Seleucid kingdom, its replacement by the eternal kingdom of God, the resurrection of the dead, and the final judgement.

 

[Calypso Jones]

Read the revelation letter.

i've read it several times. CHapter and verse please.

 

[onefour1]

I missed the part where Jesus reigned on earth for 1000 years. Can someone point that out to me in history.

Revelation 20:1-7
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[JustAGuy1]

DEFINITION​

Full preterism teaches that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled, including the second coming of Christ, Satan and the Antichrist being thrown into the lake of fire, the resurrection of the dead, and the full arrival of the kingdom of God.

SUMMARY​

While there is a partial variety of preterism that finds more agreement with much of evangelical theology, full preterism is the position that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled: the coming of Christ in judgment was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, Satan and Antichrist have been thrown into the lake of fire, the kingdom of God has arrived, the resurrection is understood in spiritual terms, the Great Commission has been fulfilled, all things have been made new (the old heaven and earth have passed away; the new heaven and earth have come), the promised restoration has arrived, and the world now continues as it is ad infinitum. Problems with this position include that it does not take the already-not yet pattern of the New Testament into account, it over-emphasizes some statements in the Gospels to the exclusion of others, and that it does not line up with the timeline of the New Testament documents, our experience of the world, or the theology of the early church.

Preterism: Has All Prophecy Been Fulfilled? - The Gospel Coalition

Full preterism teaches that all biblical prophecy has been completely fulfilled: the second coming, the judgment of Satan, and the kingdom of God.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

Heretical to it's core.

surada

This exposes your heresy.

 

[JustAGuy1]

No, dear. Your timing is off.
The Euphrates has a series of Dams that regulate the flow. It does not dry up every year.
But here's what is happening now in these end times:

The Euphrates River is a major water source in Western Asia. This 1,740 mile long rriver flows through Syria, Turkey and Iraq and serves a population of about 60 million people. Unfortunately, this major water source is drying up due to climate change, causing a disastrous effect on the people who rely on it.

Over the past decades, the flow in the Euphrates-Tigris River system has decreased to almost half of the average annual flow during dry years. The water levels in the Euphrates are currently at one of their lowest points in recorded history.

Isaiah talked about Israel in the 8th century BC. Stones carved telling of going to war with the House of David. Lots of mention of Jews and Israel. No mention at all of the millennial reign of Christ you think already happened.

Isaiah 66:8​

For in one day, suddenly, a nation, Israel, shall be born
Fulfilled ~ Midnight May 14, 1948


Revelation says the Temple will be rebuilt. (They aren't rebuilding Jesus) It will be in the city of David. The Jews will start sacrificing animals at the newly built Temple. <( simply hasn't happened yet. ) Jesus is going to sit in it. Where is it. Where is He?

You're deep into your own understanding, and are a perfect example of why we are told by God not to do that...

She picks and chooses what she wants to believe.

 

[surada]

She picks and chooses what she wants to believe.

Even before the dams were built the Euphrates river all but dried up in late summer.

 

[surada]

When Jesus return's it will not be to set as a physical King on earth, when He returns it will be for the final judgment, both the quick (living) and the dead can't escape judgment.

When Jesus returns "hades....the grave, will give up its dead, and the righteous bride of the Christ will meet the Lord "in the air" (1 Thess. 4:17).......the living that is judged righteous will be changed in the twinkling of an eye because the spiritual realm of heaven can't accept the corruption of a physical body, thus the bride of Christ, His church/kingdom that are mortal and corrupted by the decay of being physical will put off the corruptible/mortal body and put on an incorruptible/immortal body. Neither the corrupted nor mortal can enter the Kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:53-54).

Only Heaven or Hell awaits after Jesus returns. Jesus can't rule on an earth that is consumed and melted in fire. This day cannot be foretold, only the long-suffering of our Lord delay's that day of judgment. Only the Father knows when that day, final judgment will come -- Mark 13:32......anyone that declares the end is near is lying, it will come like a thief.

"The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, AND THEN THE HEAVENS (SKY) WILL PASS AWAY WITH A ROAR, AND THE HEAVENLY BODIES WILL BE BURNED UP AND DISSOLVED, AND THE EARTH AND THE WORKS DONE ON IT WILL BE EXPOSED............the passage ends by declaring that the Lord will keep His promise, the Bride of Christ will be given a new heaven, a new earth...........a new Jerusalem. A spiritual city that comes from the realm of God known as heaven -- 2 Peter 3:9-13. Jesus cannot rule on earth as the earth and all the physical elements known to man will be consumed/ dissolved. Jesus will return His KIngdom, His spiritual kingdom/church back to the Father after death is defeated (1 Cor. 15:24-25), after everyone is judged by the Content of the BOOKS which contain the words of Jesus Christ......and the Book of Life, a record of one's life in comparison to the words of Jesus.......they will judge everyone (Rev. 20:12-14, John 12:48)

The scriptures are clear........the new heaven and earth and Jerusalem will Come down from Heaven. To come down from heaven it must exist in heaven "....the New Jerusalem which comes from My God from heaven......" Rev. 3:12. The Bride comes from heaven and is called New Jerusalem. Jerusalem was the capital of Biblical Israel.......but in the Christian age after God allowed Jerusalem to be destroyed in the 1st century, the church/kingdom becomes spiritual Jerusalem.......the physical is replaced by the spiritual (Gal.4:25-26.....the apostle speaks of Jerusalem existing in heaven.....Hagar, representing the Old Physical Jerusalem at Mt. Sanai in ARABIA).

(Hebrews 12:22) The apostle calls Spiritual Jerusalem Mt. Zion ....the city of the Living God, God lives in Heaven, He is a spirit. There is no lasting city of Jerusalem on earth (it was destroyed in the 1st century), but the Christian is to seek the spiritual city to come as promised by the Lord (Hebrews 13:14) The Spiritual city of New Jerusalem will be different from physical Jerusalem. The city is signified as being the BRIDE of CHRIST, it must be spotless without blemish..........washed via the words of Lord Jesus Christ. (Eph.5:25-27)

Its no longer a mystery........the mystery has been revealed. The Bride of Christ......the Church/Kingdom of God.........New Jerusalem is the Christian Nation. A Spiritual Nation that can never be destroyed. The Kingdom/Church/New Jerusalem is an ever lasting kingdom (Ps. 145:13, Ex. 15:18, Lam. 5:19, Dan. 4:3, Dan. 7:27, 2 Peter 1:1-11)

Mt Sina isn't in Arabia.

Daniel 7 is about Antiochus Epiphanes.

Written to encourage Jews undergoing persecution at the hands of Antiochus Epiphanes, the Seleucid king of Syria, the visions of chapters 7–12 predict the end of the earthly Seleucid kingdom, its replacement by the eternal kingdom of God, the resurrection of the dead, and the final judgement.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Even before the dams were built the Euphrates river all but dried up in late summer.

You are a run of the mill heretic,

 

[surada]

You are a run of the mill heretic,

You should study the Bible.

 

[HaShev]

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HaShev

Written to encourage Jews undergoing persecution at the hands of Antiochus Epiphanes, the Seleucid king of Syria, the visions of chapters 7–12 predict the end of the earthly Seleucid kingdom, its replacement by the eternal kingdom of God, the resurrection of the dead, and the final judgement.

Which brings up the mistakes in how they interpreted Dan9.
The events Daniel is prophecizing already occured before Jesus and the events of the temple people propose occured after Jesus making the correlation impossible even if they avoided history and thought it didn’t occur yet.

Daniel is talking about "an anointed place" and an anointed (King) not THE ANOINTED ONE.
Now to review why these events already occured:
Dan 9: There is a 7-week (49-year) span between the actual destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about by the arrival of ‘AN’ anointed one not “THE” anointed one . Kings and High Priests were anointed as AN anointed one but not THE anointed one. Thus we must notice the wording is “an anointed one” not “THE” anointed one.

Dan 9:24 says anoint the holy place not an anointed man. Daniel 9:25 says, "from the time the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued, until AN annointed one, a ruler, it will be seven weeks". If the decree is indeed sometime around the beginning of the full Exile, 586 b.c.e., then who is the anointed one mentioned? And, GOD already has referred to ruler Cyrus as his Anointed in
Isaiah 45:1: 70 years after the destruction Cyrus rebuilt the Temple in other words it's completion in 516BC

Here's the reference of this ‘70 years’ by the Historian Josephus in Antiquities 11.1.1: Ant. 11.1.1 "In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they has served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that SERVITUDE seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them."

Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks,an anointed one will be cut off,
and there will be nothing to him.
and "the people of a ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary,"
and the end of it/him shall be with a flood,,
and, until the end of the war, desolations are decreed.
62 weeks (434 years) leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of that Antiochus desolation and destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut off. High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In 168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.), ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem. Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come" as you said.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Even before the dams were built the Euphrates river all but dried up in late summer.

I don't know what to tell ya...

Over the past decades, the flow in the Euphrates-Tigris River system has decreased to almost half of the average annual flow during dry years. The water levels in the Euphrates are currently at one of their lowest points in recorded history.