President Obama: Doom on the Horizon

[Jarhead]

Also, I am not partisan hack. I actually try to follow politics objectively. If the Republican Party moves further to the right and nominates a fringe candidate, they will lose the independent vote and only retain the 30-35% base vote. They will lose. Mitt Romney is a centrist, and a centrist has a better opportunity to appeal to independent voters. The fringe right spends too much time on hot-button social issues, which is a distraction from what independent voters mostly care about.

I agree Bob. The right needs to let go of the abortion topic and the gay marriage topic. A true conservative such as myself believes we should live our lives as we please; but within the law of the land. What right does anyone have to say "you must marry as I do or not marry at all". What right does anyone have to say "you must have that baby and struggle financially."

All I ask as a conservaitve is.."do as you please but do not ask me to be part of it for it as it is against my faith and/or ideology."

The republican party needs a conservative candidate that thinks as I do. It needs a candidate that is socially moderate and fiscally conservative.

 

[Jarhead]

Also, I am not partisan hack. I actually try to follow politics objectively. If the Republican Party moves further to the right and nominates a fringe candidate, they will lose the independent vote and only retain the 30-35% base vote. They will lose. Mitt Romney is a centrist, and a centrist has a better opportunity to appeal to independent voters. The fringe right spends too much time on hot-button social issues, which is a distraction from what independent voters mostly care about.

Mitt Romney has a problem.

He is a morman and the republican base are christians.

They will likely not vote for a morman in large enough numbers to put him over the top

I cannot disagree with what you say.

But it all comes down to how his opponenet capitalizes on his religious beleifs.

Sadly, the Obama team is one that will smear anyone to win. This was evident when he used the race card against one of the most least likely racists in politics today; William Jefferson Clinton.

 

[Jarhead]

Obama did win an electoral college landslide (365 to 173).

I don't think Obama's future is bleak, although I think the Democrats lose control of Congress in November. Hopefully, by gaining more congressional seats, Republicans will actually do their job and create legislation, rather than obstruct.

There are things I disagree with regarding Obama's governance. For example, I would like for him to back multilateral trade agreements. Further, although I do agree with health care as fundamental right for Americans, I wanted Obama to fully address the mortgage problem. He should have really leaned-in on the banks and forced them to write-down their working assets to actual property values. This would've been fair, considering bank culpability, and meaningful, since consumer spending will not rise until people's home value falls more in line with their mortgage value.

But I do think Obama wins in '12. And I will probably vote for him again. If the Republican Party is smart and wants to win, they should nominate Mitt Romney. However, I am not sure Republicans can accept the similarities of Romney’s health care policy vs. Obama’s.

Putting aside the exact words the Obama camp used....

This is what the electorate heard:

My opponent is another GWB
GWB has put us in the worst economic situation since the great depression
My opponenet is another GWB
GWB only cares about the rich and not the middle class
My opponent is another GWB
If you vote for him you will get nothing and only the rich will benefoit from his policies
We very well may enter a great depression. If you vote for me, 95% of you will get a check in the mail when you need the money to feed your family.
Vote for my opponent and you will get nothing when you need it most.

It amazes me that he did not win by even a larger margin.

 

[LANMaster]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

The economic turn for the worse is CLEARLY seen at the time that the Democrats took control of the US Congress in 2006.

Republicans share the blame for allowing rampant over-spending, and deserve as much or more of the blame for the downturn .... Afterall, Republicans are supposed to be the party of fiscal conservatism ... yet they were partying like drunken Kennedys ... (too early for Kennedy jokes?)

Bush NEVER got his veto stamp damp with ink. So he also deserves blame for not using his power to curtail the out of control spending.

As a result, what SHOULD have been a very low debt and deficit turned out to be an ever-growing pile of red ink, and a climbing debt.

So when the floor collapsed .... as it always does .... All of the bailout, stimulus, and healthcare spending went directly to the debt.

Obama is playing the game wrong. For his pie-in-the-sky utopian dream to have ANY CHANCE AT ALL of succeeding, he must have an exceptionally strong economy from the start .... but he did not.

As a result, the economy will suffer greatly from this Marxist utopian clusterfart.

Thankfully, the American people are waking up all over the place, and will force Republicans to stand by those fiscally Conservative values and vote out the idiotic far left from the US Congress, culminating in Barry O. being a 1-termer, and accurately labeled as the worst President in US history ... right behind Jimmy Carter.

Please note that I do not withold my blame from the Republicans who allowed this crap to happen while they were steadily losing power. Perhaps it was even deliberate.

When things are going great, Democrats tent to do well because the p[eople become comfortable. But when the going gets rough, people demand fiscal responsibility..... a concept foreign to liberals generally.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

A July 18–21, 2008 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll showed that 20% of African American registered voters and 8% of White registered voters considered race the single most important factor when voting (margin of error was ± 3.1). This percentage increased in both groups from previous polls.[148]

A June 6–9, 2008 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll showed that 17% were enthusiastic about Obama being the first African American President, 70% were comfortable or indifferent, and 13% had reservations or were uncomfortable (margin of error was ± 3.1).[149]
United States presidential election, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obama won independents 52% to McCains 44%
Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Reverse the independents, and the elections goes the other way.

 

[Claudette]

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

I don't agree. for 2 reasons.

First McCain Ran a terrible, and I mean Terrible Campaign. And picked a terrible VP

Second Obama ran as a Moderate Liberal which sold many Independents, and convinced enough Conservatives they could afford to stay home to punish the GOP and risk Obama. Despite how it has been charactorized Obama did not win by some stunning Majority. only 4 Million votes separated the 2. The GOP estimated about 4 Million Conservatives, Up set with the GOP and BUSH, Simply stayed home. And several Million Independents Bought Obama's Bill of goods, Because nobody including McCain could convince them Obama would turn out to be what he has become. The Most Left wing President we have ever had. A president who lies constantly, uses fear tactics more than Bush did, Sues Whole states when 77% of Americans think he should not, Plays the race card at every turn (at least his supporters do), and is well and truly out of his depth. So far save for a few good calls, all Obama has added to his 2 Big ideas "hope and change" is, I inherited this mess, It's not my fault, Blame BUSH.

IMO had McCain Ran a better campaign, and if Obama had ran on a platform that showed his true nature, which we all now see. McCain would have had a good chance of winning.

Actual Objective coverage of the campaigns by the Media might have helped as well

In fact I would Bet had the Main Stream Left wing media actually done it's Job and investigated Obama and honestly reported his past, his connections, and his Ideas, The American people would have saw him for what he was and Hillary would have won the nomination. But alas instead they actively supported Obama, And sought to hush up any detractors, and kill legitimate stories that would have shown Obama for what he is.

A straight up Radical Marxist with a Black liberation Theology Back ground.

Your so right Charlie.

I think folks were so sick of the GOP and Bush that they bought his Hope and Change BS. If the media had been doing its job and investigating this guy and giving folks the straight poop I doubt seriously he would have even got the nomination.

Your also right about McCain. He refused to go after the Wright and Ayers connections and whoever ran his campaign was just plain terrible.

Folks bought into his bs about being a moderate and now they know a moderate he ain't. He has his left wing agenda and he hasn't got a fucking clue what he is doing.

I just hope we can survive another 2 years of this bozo. Lets all hope the Reps gain enough seats to get rid of the Dem majority. At least that will put the brakes on OL'BO's agenda. Thank God.

 

[Bob Roberts]

Before I entertain your challenge, are you denying that the premise in my quote above is beyond possibility?

What's the premise of Charles Hurt's editorial? That America continues to be prejudiced and Obama did not deliver on improving race relations?

Forgive me, Bob for not welcoming you to the board.

Now, the premise that our President received a great deal of support in anticipation of a 'post racial' era of harmony....hopes that have, largely, been dashed.

Victor Davis Hanson says same much better than I.

"Weren't we supposed to enter a new age of tolerance with the election of President Barack Obama?

His half-black, half-white ancestry and broad support across racial lines suggested that at last Americans judged each other on the content of our characters — not the color of our skin or our tribal affiliations.
Instead, in just 18 months of the Obama administration, racial discord is growing and relations seem to have been set back a generation.
Black voters are galvanizing behind Obama at a time of rapidly falling support. White independents, in contrast, are leaving Obama in droves.

Why the escalation of racial tension in the supposed postracial age of Obama?

First, Obama's reputation as a racial healer was largely the creation of the media. In fact, Obama had a number of racially polarizing incidents that probably would have disqualified any other presidential candidate of the past 30 years.

Recently, Obama appealed to voters along exclusionary race and gender lines — not traditional political allegiances — when he called upon "the young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008."

Yet the country passed the old white/black divide years ago. In a world of conservative Cubans and liberal whites, race is no longer necessarily a guide to politics.

The more the president appeals to his base in racial terms, the more his appointees identify themselves as members of a particular tribe, and the more political issues are framed by racial divisions, so all the more such racial obsession creates a backlash among the racially diverse American people.

Tragically, our president and a host of his supportAmerica has largely moved beyond race. ive special interests have not."
(emphasis mine throughout)

Thank you for the warm welcome.

The answer to Mr. Hanson’s question, “Weren't we supposed to enter a new age of tolerance with the election of President Barack Obama,” is no. We aren’t supposed to blame a US President for society’s deep-rooted prejudice and bigotry because (1) it is unfair and (2) it is not material to the criterion used to elect a president. We should judge Obama on his foreign policy and leadership on domestic initiatives, not on society’s inability to reconcile racism.

 

[The Rabbi]

What's the premise of Charles Hurt's editorial? That America continues to be prejudiced and Obama did not deliver on improving race relations?

Forgive me, Bob for not welcoming you to the board.

Now, the premise that our President received a great deal of support in anticipation of a 'post racial' era of harmony....hopes that have, largely, been dashed.

Victor Davis Hanson says same much better than I.

"Weren't we supposed to enter a new age of tolerance with the election of President Barack Obama?

His half-black, half-white ancestry and broad support across racial lines suggested that at last Americans judged each other on the content of our characters — not the color of our skin or our tribal affiliations.
Instead, in just 18 months of the Obama administration, racial discord is growing and relations seem to have been set back a generation.
Black voters are galvanizing behind Obama at a time of rapidly falling support. White independents, in contrast, are leaving Obama in droves.

Why the escalation of racial tension in the supposed postracial age of Obama?

First, Obama's reputation as a racial healer was largely the creation of the media. In fact, Obama had a number of racially polarizing incidents that probably would have disqualified any other presidential candidate of the past 30 years.

Recently, Obama appealed to voters along exclusionary race and gender lines — not traditional political allegiances — when he called upon "the young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008."

Yet the country passed the old white/black divide years ago. In a world of conservative Cubans and liberal whites, race is no longer necessarily a guide to politics.

The more the president appeals to his base in racial terms, the more his appointees identify themselves as members of a particular tribe, and the more political issues are framed by racial divisions, so all the more such racial obsession creates a backlash among the racially diverse American people.

Tragically, our president and a host of his supportAmerica has largely moved beyond race. ive special interests have not."
(emphasis mine throughout)

Thank you for the warm welcome.

The answer to Mr. Hanson’s question, “Weren't we supposed to enter a new age of tolerance with the election of President Barack Obama,” is no. We aren’t supposed to blame a US President for society’s deep-rooted prejudice and bigotry because (1) it is unfair and (2) it is not material to the criterion used to elect a president. We should judge Obama on his foreign policy and leadership on domestic initiatives, not on society’s inability to reconcile racism.

Obama's election pretty much disproves the "deep seated racism" canard. The only deep seated racism comes from the black community, which continues to support him in the high 90% despite the fact they have been hurt the most by his policies.

 

[txlonghorn]

Obama did win an electoral college landslide (365 to 173).

I don't think Obama's future is bleak, although I think the Democrats lose control of Congress in November. Hopefully, by gaining more congressional seats, Republicans will actually do their job and create legislation, rather than obstruct.

There are things I disagree with regarding Obama's governance. For example, I would like for him to back multilateral trade agreements. Further, although I do agree with health care as fundamental right for Americans, I wanted Obama to fully address the mortgage problem. He should have really leaned-in on the banks and forced them to write-down their working assets to actual property values. This would've been fair, considering bank culpability, and meaningful, since consumer spending will not rise until people's home value falls more in line with their mortgage value.

But I do think Obama wins in '12. And I will probably vote for him again. If the Republican Party is smart and wants to win, they should nominate Mitt Romney. However, I am not sure Republicans can accept the similarities of Romney’s health care policy vs. Obama’s.

if these are your true convictions and you would vote for Obama again, then you either refuse to see reality or you're a party voter. Probably both.

 

[Richard-H]

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

I don't agree. for 2 reasons.

First McCain Ran a terrible, and I mean Terrible Campaign. And picked a terrible VP

Second Obama ran as a Moderate Liberal which sold many Independents, and convinced enough Conservatives they could afford to stay home to punish the GOP and risk Obama. Despite how it has been charactorized Obama did not win by some stunning Majority. only 4 Million votes separated the 2. The GOP estimated about 4 Million Conservatives, Up set with the GOP and BUSH, Simply stayed home. And several Million Independents Bought Obama's Bill of goods, Because nobody including McCain could convince them Obama would turn out to be what he has become. The Most Left wing President we have ever had. A president who lies constantly, uses fear tactics more than Bush did, Sues Whole states when 77% of Americans think he should not, Plays the race card at every turn (at least his supporters do), and is well and truly out of his depth. So far save for a few good calls, all Obama has added to his 2 Big ideas "hope and change" is, I inherited this mess, It's not my fault, Blame BUSH.

IMO had McCain Ran a better campaign, and if Obama had ran on a platform that showed his true nature, which we all now see. McCain would have had a good chance of winning.

Actual Objective coverage of the campaigns by the Media might have helped as well

In fact I would Bet had the Main Stream Left wing media actually done it's Job and investigated Obama and honestly reported his past, his connections, and his Ideas, The American people would have saw him for what he was and Hillary would have won the nomination. But alas instead they actively supported Obama, And sought to hush up any detractors, and kill legitimate stories that would have shown Obama for what he is.

A straight up Radical Marxist with a Black liberation Theology Back ground.

I don't believe McCain could have won if he had a Genie in a bottle and all three wishes left over.

He was a terrible choice. I would have voted for Cruela DeVille or Cinderella's evil step mother before I voted for McCain.

Immie

A turnip? Would you have voted for a turnip rather than John McCain? I would have.

But then again, I'd vote for a turnip over almost all Republican candidates that I've ever known of.

 

[Richard-H]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

What McCain tried to do was avoid investor hysteria at a time when the economy was fragile. He acted as a leader and his opponent, without putting long term thought into it, opted to capitalize on the comment and magnify investor hysteria.

McCain had been a senator for longer than Obama had been out of diapers. He was very much in touch with reality and very much aware of what the people needed to hear at that moment.

As a conservative, McCain was not my choice of candidate, but in my eyes, he said what needed to be said at that moment.

Only partisan fools or the financially naive saw his words as him "being out of touch". The rest of us saw him being a mature leader.

If only Obama knew how strong a politicians words can be...and how dangerous it is to overstate a situation.

Wow, you live in a fantasy world!

If John McCain had eaten live babys on T.V., you would have probably credited him for promoting good nuitrition!

Try to break out of your fog!

 

[KissMy]

President Obama: Doom on the Horizon

Oh Can't You Just Feel The Irony?

 

[Immanuel]

What's the premise of Charles Hurt's editorial? That America continues to be prejudiced and Obama did not deliver on improving race relations?

Forgive me, Bob for not welcoming you to the board.

Now, the premise that our President received a great deal of support in anticipation of a 'post racial' era of harmony....hopes that have, largely, been dashed.

Victor Davis Hanson says same much better than I.

"Weren't we supposed to enter a new age of tolerance with the election of President Barack Obama?

His half-black, half-white ancestry and broad support across racial lines suggested that at last Americans judged each other on the content of our characters — not the color of our skin or our tribal affiliations.
Instead, in just 18 months of the Obama administration, racial discord is growing and relations seem to have been set back a generation.
Black voters are galvanizing behind Obama at a time of rapidly falling support. White independents, in contrast, are leaving Obama in droves.

Why the escalation of racial tension in the supposed postracial age of Obama?

First, Obama's reputation as a racial healer was largely the creation of the media. In fact, Obama had a number of racially polarizing incidents that probably would have disqualified any other presidential candidate of the past 30 years.

Recently, Obama appealed to voters along exclusionary race and gender lines — not traditional political allegiances — when he called upon "the young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008."

Yet the country passed the old white/black divide years ago. In a world of conservative Cubans and liberal whites, race is no longer necessarily a guide to politics.

The more the president appeals to his base in racial terms, the more his appointees identify themselves as members of a particular tribe, and the more political issues are framed by racial divisions, so all the more such racial obsession creates a backlash among the racially diverse American people.

Tragically, our president and a host of his supportAmerica has largely moved beyond race. ive special interests have not."
(emphasis mine throughout)

Thank you for the warm welcome.

The answer to Mr. Hanson’s question, “Weren't we supposed to enter a new age of tolerance with the election of President Barack Obama,” is no. We aren’t supposed to blame a US President for society’s deep-rooted prejudice and bigotry because (1) it is unfair and (2) it is not material to the criterion used to elect a president. We should judge Obama on his foreign policy and leadership on domestic initiatives, not on society’s inability to reconcile racism.

He might be better off if we included society's ability to reconcile racism.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

I don't agree. for 2 reasons.

First McCain Ran a terrible, and I mean Terrible Campaign. And picked a terrible VP

Second Obama ran as a Moderate Liberal which sold many Independents, and convinced enough Conservatives they could afford to stay home to punish the GOP and risk Obama. Despite how it has been charactorized Obama did not win by some stunning Majority. only 4 Million votes separated the 2. The GOP estimated about 4 Million Conservatives, Up set with the GOP and BUSH, Simply stayed home. And several Million Independents Bought Obama's Bill of goods, Because nobody including McCain could convince them Obama would turn out to be what he has become. The Most Left wing President we have ever had. A president who lies constantly, uses fear tactics more than Bush did, Sues Whole states when 77% of Americans think he should not, Plays the race card at every turn (at least his supporters do), and is well and truly out of his depth. So far save for a few good calls, all Obama has added to his 2 Big ideas "hope and change" is, I inherited this mess, It's not my fault, Blame BUSH.

IMO had McCain Ran a better campaign, and if Obama had ran on a platform that showed his true nature, which we all now see. McCain would have had a good chance of winning.

Actual Objective coverage of the campaigns by the Media might have helped as well

In fact I would Bet had the Main Stream Left wing media actually done it's Job and investigated Obama and honestly reported his past, his connections, and his Ideas, The American people would have saw him for what he was and Hillary would have won the nomination. But alas instead they actively supported Obama, And sought to hush up any detractors, and kill legitimate stories that would have shown Obama for what he is.

A straight up Radical Marxist with a Black liberation Theology Back ground.

I don't believe McCain could have won if he had a Genie in a bottle and all three wishes left over.

He was a terrible choice. I would have voted for Cruela DeVille or Cinderella's evil step mother before I voted for McCain.

Immie

A turnip? Would you have voted for a turnip rather than John McCain? I would have.

But then again, I'd vote for a turnip over almost all Republican candidates that I've ever known of.

Suffice it to say that Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao are on the short list of people I would not vote for over McCain.

When Candidate Obama entered the race, I thought, "now there is a man I can vote for". By the time the election came about, I so despised both parties that I felt like not voting at all. I voted for either Barr or Paul. I honestly don't even remember which one it was because I was only casting a protest vote in the first place.

Immie

 

[Richard-H]

President Obama: Doom on the Horizon

Oh Can't You Just Feel The Irony?

All the links in that article are silly crap. There is no doubt that every major American politician for that past century has had a cozy relationship with big oil. Just because Obama did not mount a huge campiagn against big oil immediately upon taking office is no surprise. No body expected that he would.

What we have had is an ongoing light campiagn against big oil by liberals for the past 50 years. There has been very little public support. It wasn't until this latest catastrophe that a lot of people have woke up and realized how big the problem with big oil is.

With 2 wars, a collapsed economy, lack of universal health care, the need for financial reform and a whole slew of issues in the forefront, the Obama administration wasn't quite clarvoyant enough to see this oil spill.

Maybe if the Republicans would stop obstructing and stalling everything to the maximum extent possible, Washington could get a lot more done and move on to the more obscure issues.

 

[Richard-H]

I don't believe McCain could have won if he had a Genie in a bottle and all three wishes left over.

He was a terrible choice. I would have voted for Cruela DeVille or Cinderella's evil step mother before I voted for McCain.

Immie

A turnip? Would you have voted for a turnip rather than John McCain? I would have.

But then again, I'd vote for a turnip over almost all Republican candidates that I've ever known of.

Suffice it to say that Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao are on the short list of people I would not vote for over McCain.

When Candidate Obama entered the race, I thought, "now there is a man I can vote for". By the time the election came about, I so despised both parties that I felt like not voting at all. I voted for either Barr or Paul. I honestly don't even remember which one it was because I was only casting a protest vote in the first place.

Immie

Actually, in the Soviet Union, the people did have an alternative to voting for the Communist party candidate:

They could vote "No".

It would be great if for every elected office there was an option to vote "No", for all those people who want it to be known that they object to all candidates.

That'd shake up our political system at the core!

 

[Immanuel]

A turnip? Would you have voted for a turnip rather than John McCain? I would have.

But then again, I'd vote for a turnip over almost all Republican candidates that I've ever known of.

Suffice it to say that Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao are on the short list of people I would not vote for over McCain.

When Candidate Obama entered the race, I thought, "now there is a man I can vote for". By the time the election came about, I so despised both parties that I felt like not voting at all. I voted for either Barr or Paul. I honestly don't even remember which one it was because I was only casting a protest vote in the first place.

Immie

Actually, in the Soviet Union, the people did have an alternative to voting for the Communist party candidate:

They could vote "No".

It would be great if for every elected office there was an option to vote "No", for all those people who want it to be known that they object to all candidates.

That'd shake up our political system at the core!

Only if people would have the guts to use it.

Immie

 

[Bob Roberts]

Obama did win an electoral college landslide (365 to 173).

I don't think Obama's future is bleak, although I think the Democrats lose control of Congress in November. Hopefully, by gaining more congressional seats, Republicans will actually do their job and create legislation, rather than obstruct.

There are things I disagree with regarding Obama's governance. For example, I would like for him to back multilateral trade agreements. Further, although I do agree with health care as fundamental right for Americans, I wanted Obama to fully address the mortgage problem. He should have really leaned-in on the banks and forced them to write-down their working assets to actual property values. This would've been fair, considering bank culpability, and meaningful, since consumer spending will not rise until people's home value falls more in line with their mortgage value.

But I do think Obama wins in '12. And I will probably vote for him again. If the Republican Party is smart and wants to win, they should nominate Mitt Romney. However, I am not sure Republicans can accept the similarities of Romney’s health care policy vs. Obama’s.

if these are your true convictions and you would vote for Obama again, then you either refuse to see reality or you're a party voter. Probably both.

Do you really think Republicans will stop farm subsidies? Abolishing farm subsidies is necessary to negotiate any multilateral trade agreement.

Unlike some people, my political views cannot be summarized in a single bullet point. I have voted Republican and Democrat in previous presidential elections. But let me say, Bush kind of ruined it for me. Republicans have been pretty terrible over the past decade: focusing on divisive cultural issues, starting unjust wars, stagnate real wage growth, negligible stock market returns, more debt, etc.

The size of government has grown during Obama’s presidency, but if we have learned anything from the Great Depression we know that federal stimulus is necessary to control a financial crisis, and stop a collapsing economy. I know that Obama will grow the federal government, but so did Bush. And if the size of the federal government increases, I think improving a dysfunctional health care system is not a bad ambition. I may think health care needs more improvement once fully implemented, but I will always think health care needed to improve. And I certainly will not hope for its failure, since that would be un-American.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

I don't agree. for 2 reasons.

First McCain Ran a terrible, and I mean Terrible Campaign. And picked a terrible VP

Second Obama ran as a Moderate Liberal which sold many Independents, and convinced enough Conservatives they could afford to stay home to punish the GOP and risk Obama. Despite how it has been charactorized Obama did not win by some stunning Majority. only 4 Million votes separated the 2. The GOP estimated about 4 Million Conservatives, Up set with the GOP and BUSH, Simply stayed home. And several Million Independents Bought Obama's Bill of goods, Because nobody including McCain could convince them Obama would turn out to be what he has become. The Most Left wing President we have ever had. A president who lies constantly, uses fear tactics more than Bush did, Sues Whole states when 77% of Americans think he should not, Plays the race card at every turn (at least his supporters do), and is well and truly out of his depth. So far save for a few good calls, all Obama has added to his 2 Big ideas "hope and change" is, I inherited this mess, It's not my fault, Blame BUSH.

IMO had McCain Ran a better campaign, and if Obama had ran on a platform that showed his true nature, which we all now see. McCain would have had a good chance of winning.

Actual Objective coverage of the campaigns by the Media might have helped as well

In fact I would Bet had the Main Stream Left wing media actually done it's Job and investigated Obama and honestly reported his past, his connections, and his Ideas, The American people would have saw him for what he was and Hillary would have won the nomination. But alas instead they actively supported Obama, And sought to hush up any detractors, and kill legitimate stories that would have shown Obama for what he is.

A straight up Radical Marxist with a Black liberation Theology Back ground.

You know that Obama won with nearly 10 million more votes than McCain, not 4 million, right?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Obama did win an electoral college landslide (365 to 173).

I don't think Obama's future is bleak, although I think the Democrats lose control of Congress in November. Hopefully, by gaining more congressional seats, Republicans will actually do their job and create legislation, rather than obstruct.

There are things I disagree with regarding Obama's governance. For example, I would like for him to back multilateral trade agreements. Further, although I do agree with health care as fundamental right for Americans, I wanted Obama to fully address the mortgage problem. He should have really leaned-in on the banks and forced them to write-down their working assets to actual property values. This would've been fair, considering bank culpability, and meaningful, since consumer spending will not rise until people's home value falls more in line with their mortgage value.

But I do think Obama wins in '12. And I will probably vote for him again. If the Republican Party is smart and wants to win, they should nominate Mitt Romney. However, I am not sure Republicans can accept the similarities of Romney’s health care policy vs. Obama’s.

That isn't a landslide. Reagan's victories over Carter and Mondale were landslides.
Obama hasn't leaned on the banks? What world do you inhabit again?
Since you are a self confessed Obama voter and even still a believer, why in the world would anyone listen to you regarding who the Republicans should nominate? The GOP already nominated a "centrist" and a compromiser. Why would we want to repeat that with a Biden-lite candidate?

So, let's do some MATH.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan recieved 43,903,230 votes. Carter recieved 35,480,115.

Total vote margin - 8,423,115

In 2008, Obama had 69,456,897 votes. McCain got 59,934,814

Total vote margin - 9,522,083

The Rabbi fails, yet again.