Toddsterpatriot
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0, relating to the nuclear reactor, radiation, or an event triggered by the reactor.How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
Hmmmm….sounds pretty safe.
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0, relating to the nuclear reactor, radiation, or an event triggered by the reactor.How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
"Solar is magic"?What does the grid need done to it to better enable people to generate their own solar?I am fine with nuclear, though I would rather see more money put into coming up with a better grid option to make solar more practical and cheaper for end consumers to generate their own. Sort of a plug and play version of solar.
Probably nothing in your mind. Solar is magic.
In reality, the grid is designed to distribute power from central generators to behind the meter consumption. It is not designed for behind the meter generation being sent back toward the current generators. Germany has a horrible problem shedding load on sunny, windy days--they have to pay someone to take the electricity off their grid to keep it from melting down. California's grid is already having related issues because of power fluctuations. The current grid is designed to pair generation with consumption in real time. There isn't any meaningful storage system as would be needed either behind the meter or in local microgrids to take the excess loads off in real time. In addition, the thing that everybody who is thinks solar is the magic bullet ignore is that standby power gets increasingly more expensive per kilowatt the more alternative energy is being put on the grid. It is part of the reason Germany has some of the most expensive electricity in the world. Edge generation can mitigate the need for new power generators, but it cannot totally replace the need for centralized 24/7/365 producers.
That's why small modular reactors are so attractive.The navy? Our nukes run great without the navy. The navy would fumble trying to operate something as large as a commercial nuclear power plant. The navy has zero experience with large scale nukesI completely agree. The US Navy has had nuclear powered vessels for about 6 decades now and very few accidents have resulted. These boats go under the Arctic ice cap, through 30 foot seas, operate 24/7 in blasting heat, bitter cold, high winds, etc…
I would feel most comfortable if we were to license nuclear plants with one caveat:
You guys from PG&E, ConEd or NRG can charge whatever you want for the power, your plant will be operated by US Navy personnel. You won’t have employees, you won’t have strikes, you won’t have a health plan to administer or anything like that. You pay the DoD what you would be paying your staff and we supply the crew.
I’m sure that won’t ever happen but there should be a zero-bullshit-tolerance policy if we’re going to have private industry running these places.
I would prefer a reactor, sized for the city. Give or take. We certainly do not need a 100 reactors to supply southern california.That's why small modular reactors are so attractive.
Okay. They come in different sizes, y'know.I would prefer a reactor, sized for the city. Give or take. We certainly do not need a 100 reactors to supply southern california.That's why small modular reactors are so attractive.
The navy? Our nukes run great without the navy. The navy would fumble trying to operate something as large as a commercial nuclear power plant. The navy has zero experience with large scale nukesI completely agree. The US Navy has had nuclear powered vessels for about 6 decades now and very few accidents have resulted. These boats go under the Arctic ice cap, through 30 foot seas, operate 24/7 in blasting heat, bitter cold, high winds, etc…
I would feel most comfortable if we were to license nuclear plants with one caveat:
You guys from PG&E, ConEd or NRG can charge whatever you want for the power, your plant will be operated by US Navy personnel. You won’t have employees, you won’t have strikes, you won’t have a health plan to administer or anything like that. You pay the DoD what you would be paying your staff and we supply the crew.
I’m sure that won’t ever happen but there should be a zero-bullshit-tolerance policy if we’re going to have private industry running these places.
Private industry has a spotty safety record at best.
How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
Zero deaths doesn't sound incredibly unsafe.The navy? Our nukes run great without the navy. The navy would fumble trying to operate something as large as a commercial nuclear power plant. The navy has zero experience with large scale nukesI completely agree. The US Navy has had nuclear powered vessels for about 6 decades now and very few accidents have resulted. These boats go under the Arctic ice cap, through 30 foot seas, operate 24/7 in blasting heat, bitter cold, high winds, etc…
I would feel most comfortable if we were to license nuclear plants with one caveat:
You guys from PG&E, ConEd or NRG can charge whatever you want for the power, your plant will be operated by US Navy personnel. You won’t have employees, you won’t have strikes, you won’t have a health plan to administer or anything like that. You pay the DoD what you would be paying your staff and we supply the crew.
I’m sure that won’t ever happen but there should be a zero-bullshit-tolerance policy if we’re going to have private industry running these places.
Private industry has a spotty safety record at best.
How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
None I think. Why?
Zero deaths doesn't sound incredibly unsafe.The navy? Our nukes run great without the navy. The navy would fumble trying to operate something as large as a commercial nuclear power plant. The navy has zero experience with large scale nukesI completely agree. The US Navy has had nuclear powered vessels for about 6 decades now and very few accidents have resulted. These boats go under the Arctic ice cap, through 30 foot seas, operate 24/7 in blasting heat, bitter cold, high winds, etc…
I would feel most comfortable if we were to license nuclear plants with one caveat:
You guys from PG&E, ConEd or NRG can charge whatever you want for the power, your plant will be operated by US Navy personnel. You won’t have employees, you won’t have strikes, you won’t have a health plan to administer or anything like that. You pay the DoD what you would be paying your staff and we supply the crew.
I’m sure that won’t ever happen but there should be a zero-bullshit-tolerance policy if we’re going to have private industry running these places.
Private industry has a spotty safety record at best.
How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
None I think. Why?
Zero deaths doesn't sound incredibly unsafe.The navy? Our nukes run great without the navy. The navy would fumble trying to operate something as large as a commercial nuclear power plant. The navy has zero experience with large scale nukes
Private industry has a spotty safety record at best.
How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
None I think. Why?
Ok
It is cheaper to build nice big ap1000's. Economy of size and standardization.Okay. They come in different sizes, y'know.
Zero deaths doesn't sound incredibly unsafe.Private industry has a spotty safety record at best.
How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
None I think. Why?
Ok
Happy to help you with the facts.
Zero deaths doesn't sound incredibly unsafe.How many deaths in the US civilian nuclear power industry?
None I think. Why?
Ok
Happy to help you with the facts.
Now if you can only address the safety record:
Nuclear reactor accidents in the United States - Wikipedia
PS: There have been several deaths in the US Civilian Nuclear Power industry.
Happy to assist you with factual evidence.
Using your criteria for deaths, it can be said the Navy's record is outright dismal.There have been several deaths in the US Civilian Nuclear Power industry.
Happy to assist you with factual evidence.
Okay, civilians maintain Navy reactors. And the Navy writes the standards to which the work is to be performed. Regardless if the civilians are DoD civilians or contractors, the Navy writes the standards.Using your criteria for deaths, it can be said the Navy's record is outright dismal.There have been several deaths in the US Civilian Nuclear Power industry.
Happy to assist you with factual evidence.
Yet, your link explicitly states that there have zero deaths associated with a commercial nuclear power reactor? No deaths handling fuel. No deaths doing maintenance to the reactor. No deaths in the reactor building? No deaths as a result of radiation.
You do know that the navy does not do maintenance on their reactors?
That is performed by civilians. Same civilians that do the maintenance on commercial nuclear reactors.
And when one plant goes down, the entire city is out of power because the grid will have a hard time picking up the slack.It is cheaper to build nice big ap1000's. Economy of size and standardization.Okay. They come in different sizes, y'know.
We have what we need, now.
Coal power is like air travel.Nuclear power is like air travel.
Everything is fine until something goes wrong.
right now the grid supplies power from phoenix, to los angelos, with no problem. How is that a problem if we power los angeles with Nuclear Power. Further, California imports power from coal burning plants in Wyoming, so again, how is the grid a problem? It is not. And, further, today, a Nuclear power plant built 30 years ago will operate for 500 days straight without going down! So again, the problem you invented, is not based on reality. Even when San Onofre Units 2 and 3 were shutdown, there was no interruption of power.And when one plant goes down, the entire city is out of power because the grid will have a hard time picking up the slack.
If generation is decentralized, and a neighborhood-sized plant goes down, the grid can pick it up easily.
really? nuclear power is like air travel? name the two accidents this year at nuclear power plants that killed 100's?Nuclear power is like air travel.
Everything is fine until something goes wrong.