Poverty and ignorance breeds crime. Economic immigrants and refugees are poor and uneducated. 2+2=4

[hazlnut]

How much of our own comfort are we willing to sacrifice for this feel good bullshit? Do you have any idea how many poor and desperate people there are in the world? I'll give you a hint; there are a fuck load. The first world can't save everybody, and in attempting to do so we're just going to shoot ourselves in the foot. If the left got its way we would actually be fucked. The Republicans do a lot of stupid shit, but thank fuck for their stance on immigration. If we actually want to help these people we need to figure out how to help them where they live.

Do you disappointed lefties want to know why Trump won, and why he will win again? It's because you people would fuck up everything if you had full control of the immigration situation. That one issue is hurting the left badly. If you'd just pull your heads out of your asses and focus on Americans you would start dominating elections.

So what do we do with all the poor (poverty) white trash (ignorance) in Red states?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The only reason businesses leave is because of taxation and unions. Nobody is going to leave because we don't have enough foreigners. That's ridiculous. Americans are the largest consumers in the world.

The issue was a drastic drop in population. I think you last mention 200 to 250 million people. Drastic cuts in population would drastically reduce sales of consumer goods and that would certainly drive businesses to more lucrative markets.

Like what?

Like countries with larger sales potential, and countries with sufficient number of workers to support a large export business and countries that are not in default and countries that value growth.

So who has a larger sales potential than the US? We are the largest consumers in the world. Even if we reduced our population by a third, I bet we would still be the largest consumers.

The US market is 12 trillion. The EU is 9.6 trillion. A random drop in population by a third would reduce the US market by 4 trillion dollars. Of course with the decline in the size of the US market and it's ability to compete in world markets due to reduction in workforce, the US dollar would no longer be the standard world currency. So these figures would be in euros or yuans. However, the greater problem would the debt burden falling on a much smaller population and workforce. The result would be holders of US debt and investments adjusting to a smaller economy with less production; that is dumping of US debt and US investments, and downgrading the US treasury bill ratings.

List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia

So how did we get up to this kind of debt you speak of? All the people here. So your solution is to bring even more people into his country. See how that does not make any sense?

 

[Flopper]

The issue was a drastic drop in population. I think you last mention 200 to 250 million people. Drastic cuts in population would drastically reduce sales of consumer goods and that would certainly drive businesses to more lucrative markets.

Like what?

Like countries with larger sales potential, and countries with sufficient number of workers to support a large export business and countries that are not in default and countries that value growth.

So who has a larger sales potential than the US? We are the largest consumers in the world. Even if we reduced our population by a third, I bet we would still be the largest consumers.

The US market is 12 trillion. The EU is 9.6 trillion. A random drop in population by a third would reduce the US market by 4 trillion dollars. Of course with the decline in the size of the US market and it's ability to compete in world markets due to reduction in workforce, the US dollar would no longer be the standard world currency. So these figures would be in euros or yuans. However, the greater problem would the debt burden falling on a much smaller population and workforce. The result would be holders of US debt and investments adjusting to a smaller economy with less production; that is dumping of US debt and US investments, and downgrading the US treasury bill ratings.

List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia

So how did we get up to this kind of debt you speak of? All the people here. So your solution is to bring even more people into his country. See how that does not make any sense?

That debt was created by US citizens who were quite happy with spending more for defense, foreign wars, entitlement programs and less for taxes to pay for them. You can't blame that on immigrants.

Bringing more of the right kind of people into the US can reduce debt by increasing tax revenues.

 

[Confounding]

Bringing more of the right kind of people into the US can reduce debt by increasing tax revenues.

Yes, bringing more of the right kind of people can do that. Poor and uneducated people that are going to use our social services are not the right kind.

 

[Confounding]

How much of our own comfort are we willing to sacrifice for this feel good bullshit? Do you have any idea how many poor and desperate people there are in the world? I'll give you a hint; there are a fuck load. The first world can't save everybody, and in attempting to do so we're just going to shoot ourselves in the foot. If the left got its way we would actually be fucked. The Republicans do a lot of stupid shit, but thank fuck for their stance on immigration. If we actually want to help these people we need to figure out how to help them where they live.

Do you disappointed lefties want to know why Trump won, and why he will win again? It's because you people would fuck up everything if you had full control of the immigration situation. That one issue is hurting the left badly. If you'd just pull your heads out of your asses and focus on Americans you would start dominating elections.

So what do we do with all the poor (poverty) white trash (ignorance) in Red states?

We can't kick out the useless people that are here already. We could at least stop letting more in.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Like what?

Like countries with larger sales potential, and countries with sufficient number of workers to support a large export business and countries that are not in default and countries that value growth.

So who has a larger sales potential than the US? We are the largest consumers in the world. Even if we reduced our population by a third, I bet we would still be the largest consumers.

The US market is 12 trillion. The EU is 9.6 trillion. A random drop in population by a third would reduce the US market by 4 trillion dollars. Of course with the decline in the size of the US market and it's ability to compete in world markets due to reduction in workforce, the US dollar would no longer be the standard world currency. So these figures would be in euros or yuans. However, the greater problem would the debt burden falling on a much smaller population and workforce. The result would be holders of US debt and investments adjusting to a smaller economy with less production; that is dumping of US debt and US investments, and downgrading the US treasury bill ratings.

List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia

So how did we get up to this kind of debt you speak of? All the people here. So your solution is to bring even more people into his country. See how that does not make any sense?

That debt was created by US citizens who were quite happy with spending more for defense, foreign wars, entitlement programs and less for taxes to pay for them. You can't blame that on immigrants.

Bringing more of the right kind of people into the US can reduce debt by increasing tax revenues.

No. The more people, the more debt. It's a simple calculation. Especially since these people come here, use our medical services, get on welfare programs because of anchor babies, they collect more of our tax dollars than anybody.

 

[Flopper]

Like countries with larger sales potential, and countries with sufficient number of workers to support a large export business and countries that are not in default and countries that value growth.

So who has a larger sales potential than the US? We are the largest consumers in the world. Even if we reduced our population by a third, I bet we would still be the largest consumers.

The US market is 12 trillion. The EU is 9.6 trillion. A random drop in population by a third would reduce the US market by 4 trillion dollars. Of course with the decline in the size of the US market and it's ability to compete in world markets due to reduction in workforce, the US dollar would no longer be the standard world currency. So these figures would be in euros or yuans. However, the greater problem would the debt burden falling on a much smaller population and workforce. The result would be holders of US debt and investments adjusting to a smaller economy with less production; that is dumping of US debt and US investments, and downgrading the US treasury bill ratings.

List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia

So how did we get up to this kind of debt you speak of? All the people here. So your solution is to bring even more people into his country. See how that does not make any sense?

That debt was created by US citizens who were quite happy with spending more for defense, foreign wars, entitlement programs and less for taxes to pay for them. You can't blame that on immigrants.

Bringing more of the right kind of people into the US can reduce debt by increasing tax revenues.

No. The more people, the more debt. It's a simple calculation. Especially since these people come here, use our medical services, get on welfare programs because of anchor babies, they collect more of our tax dollars than anybody.

Reducing the number of people does not reduce the outstanding debt. It just reduces the capability of handling it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So who has a larger sales potential than the US? We are the largest consumers in the world. Even if we reduced our population by a third, I bet we would still be the largest consumers.

The US market is 12 trillion. The EU is 9.6 trillion. A random drop in population by a third would reduce the US market by 4 trillion dollars. Of course with the decline in the size of the US market and it's ability to compete in world markets due to reduction in workforce, the US dollar would no longer be the standard world currency. So these figures would be in euros or yuans. However, the greater problem would the debt burden falling on a much smaller population and workforce. The result would be holders of US debt and investments adjusting to a smaller economy with less production; that is dumping of US debt and US investments, and downgrading the US treasury bill ratings.

List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia

So how did we get up to this kind of debt you speak of? All the people here. So your solution is to bring even more people into his country. See how that does not make any sense?

That debt was created by US citizens who were quite happy with spending more for defense, foreign wars, entitlement programs and less for taxes to pay for them. You can't blame that on immigrants.

Bringing more of the right kind of people into the US can reduce debt by increasing tax revenues.

No. The more people, the more debt. It's a simple calculation. Especially since these people come here, use our medical services, get on welfare programs because of anchor babies, they collect more of our tax dollars than anybody.

Reducing the number of people does not reduce the outstanding debt. It just reduces the capability of handling it.

I didn't say it did. I said more people equals more debt; as in the future.

 

[Confounding]

So who has a larger sales potential than the US? We are the largest consumers in the world. Even if we reduced our population by a third, I bet we would still be the largest consumers.

The US market is 12 trillion. The EU is 9.6 trillion. A random drop in population by a third would reduce the US market by 4 trillion dollars. Of course with the decline in the size of the US market and it's ability to compete in world markets due to reduction in workforce, the US dollar would no longer be the standard world currency. So these figures would be in euros or yuans. However, the greater problem would the debt burden falling on a much smaller population and workforce. The result would be holders of US debt and investments adjusting to a smaller economy with less production; that is dumping of US debt and US investments, and downgrading the US treasury bill ratings.

List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia

So how did we get up to this kind of debt you speak of? All the people here. So your solution is to bring even more people into his country. See how that does not make any sense?

That debt was created by US citizens who were quite happy with spending more for defense, foreign wars, entitlement programs and less for taxes to pay for them. You can't blame that on immigrants.

Bringing more of the right kind of people into the US can reduce debt by increasing tax revenues.

No. The more people, the more debt. It's a simple calculation. Especially since these people come here, use our medical services, get on welfare programs because of anchor babies, they collect more of our tax dollars than anybody.

Reducing the number of people does not reduce the outstanding debt. It just reduces the capability of handling it.

You're ignoring key details. Poor immigrants are not going to reduce our debt.

 

[Flopper]

The US market is 12 trillion. The EU is 9.6 trillion. A random drop in population by a third would reduce the US market by 4 trillion dollars. Of course with the decline in the size of the US market and it's ability to compete in world markets due to reduction in workforce, the US dollar would no longer be the standard world currency. So these figures would be in euros or yuans. However, the greater problem would the debt burden falling on a much smaller population and workforce. The result would be holders of US debt and investments adjusting to a smaller economy with less production; that is dumping of US debt and US investments, and downgrading the US treasury bill ratings.

List of largest consumer markets - Wikipedia

So how did we get up to this kind of debt you speak of? All the people here. So your solution is to bring even more people into his country. See how that does not make any sense?

That debt was created by US citizens who were quite happy with spending more for defense, foreign wars, entitlement programs and less for taxes to pay for them. You can't blame that on immigrants.

Bringing more of the right kind of people into the US can reduce debt by increasing tax revenues.

No. The more people, the more debt. It's a simple calculation. Especially since these people come here, use our medical services, get on welfare programs because of anchor babies, they collect more of our tax dollars than anybody.

Reducing the number of people does not reduce the outstanding debt. It just reduces the capability of handling it.

You're ignoring key details. Poor immigrants are not going to reduce our debt.

Legal immigrants are a small minority and poor immigrants are a much smaller segment. Today legal immigrants are as well educated as the rest of population. They come to US with money and jobs skills and once settled are less likely to utilize social welfare services than the average American and just as likely to be employed and paying taxes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So...speaking of fairness. Why is there such a bottleneck with LEGAL immigration?

Difficulty in vetting information, insufficient staff, poor IT tools and crappy information, access and navigation of government web sites.
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I think it comes down to one main item - outddated and archaic methods and technology. Which encompasses all you said. I think we need to update it, and speed up the system and PRIORITIZE legal immigration. Don't blame illegals for it. Improve it.

I'm not blaming illegals but your saying that our system needs to be improved does not justify illegals coming into our country. Illegals should be deported, provided an application and should wait until given a visa.
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I'm not saying it "justifies" anything.

We are a nation of laws. As a result illegal immigration is illegal.

But we also have latititude in how and to what extent we choose to prosecute those laws. We do that with everything. We don't prosecute jaywalking the same as we do sexual assault. I would prefer to expend more resources on prosecuting crimes that are dangerous FIRST. Rapid deportation of illegals that commit violent crimes. Pursuing Meth over Marijuana. etc.

How much does jaywalking cost the nation each year?

The claim that jaywalking is the equivalent of ilĺegal immigration in terms of impact on the country is without merit.
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Illegal aliens lower our standard of living, increase unemployment among Americans, and cost mucho Dinaro in welfare and support, plus huge costs to to the prison system
Yet, Liberals/Democrats welcome, encourage, and invite same for one reason:
they vote....and they vote Democrat.

 

[danielpalos]

lousy Capitalists lose money on border policies.