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Not in this case Patek:
Police comb video, SUV for clues in NYC attack - Security- msnbc.com
These guys were complete retards. And if the device did manage to go off as they had planned, there is no way thousands, or even hundreds would have been injured. The greatest threat would have been to the good samaritans and the first responders.
This wasn't the Taliban, this was the Talibubba.
You seem to forget a box full of "fertilizer" they are now claiming was an "explosive".....theres a lot NYPD is leaving out of the public news on this until they have all the facts. Igniting gasoline will in fact NOT detonate the jugs of propane as they have relief valves that vent the gas. In order for the propane tanks to explode they would have to have flame impingement on the outside for a significant period of time before the metal weakened to a point where they would fail and possibly detonate.
The fertilizer was the non-explosive kind, according to NYPD.
Face it man, these were a bunch of incompetents. It's a wonder they didn't torch themselves.
then it would indeed be pointless to try to persuade him with logic or facts.
Bingo!
LOL.
There's a reason why us right-wingers make fun of him as well.
You never struck me as a rightwinger
How about get the terrorists before they actually carry out the terrorist attacks? Yanno, like the Bush Administration used to do.
Bingo!
LOL.
There's a reason why us right-wingers make fun of him as well.
You never struck me as a rightwinger
And you never struck me as a Marxist, Socialist or a Communist. Just knowledgeable about their economic theories.
In all seriousness, I'm sorta a pragmatic conserva-liberterian. In 500 words or less:
My default position is less government in an individuals life, lower taxes, free market, individual privacy and personal responsibility. HOWEVER, I am pragmatic enough to realize that this must be applied on a case by case basis, and cannot be the catch-all position for everything. Thats where I wind up bumping heads with many of those who call themselves conservatives today. Not to mention that many conservatives today are not for less government, just less government with a (D) next to its name. They're perfectly happy expanding the role of the government into an individuals life, as long as it is their flavor of government. Thats why during the Bush admin, I was probably accused of being a lefty about 3 or 4 times a week.
That might have been more than 500 words, but I'm too lazy to count.
How about get the terrorists before they actually carry out the terrorist attacks? Yanno, like the Bush Administration used to do.
That comment is just too stupid for words...
You never struck me as a rightwinger
And you never struck me as a Marxist, Socialist or a Communist. Just knowledgeable about their economic theories.
In all seriousness, I'm sorta a pragmatic conserva-liberterian. In 500 words or less:
My default position is less government in an individuals life, lower taxes, free market, individual privacy and personal responsibility. HOWEVER, I am pragmatic enough to realize that this must be applied on a case by case basis, and cannot be the catch-all position for everything. Thats where I wind up bumping heads with many of those who call themselves conservatives today. Not to mention that many conservatives today are not for less government, just less government with a (D) next to its name. They're perfectly happy expanding the role of the government into an individuals life, as long as it is their flavor of government. Thats why during the Bush admin, I was probably accused of being a lefty about 3 or 4 times a week.
That might have been more than 500 words, but I'm too lazy to count.
Microsoft Word has a word counter and according to that, your paragraph was 126 words.
And you never struck me as a Marxist, Socialist or a Communist. Just knowledgeable about their economic theories.
In all seriousness, I'm sorta a pragmatic conserva-liberterian. In 500 words or less:
My default position is less government in an individuals life, lower taxes, free market, individual privacy and personal responsibility. HOWEVER, I am pragmatic enough to realize that this must be applied on a case by case basis, and cannot be the catch-all position for everything. Thats where I wind up bumping heads with many of those who call themselves conservatives today. Not to mention that many conservatives today are not for less government, just less government with a (D) next to its name. They're perfectly happy expanding the role of the government into an individuals life, as long as it is their flavor of government. Thats why during the Bush admin, I was probably accused of being a lefty about 3 or 4 times a week.
That might have been more than 500 words, but I'm too lazy to count.
Microsoft Word has a word counter and according to that, your paragraph was 126 words.
Wow, you must be really bored. lol.
Microsoft Word has a word counter and according to that, your paragraph was 126 words.
Wow, you must be really bored. lol.
It was a simple copy and paste, but yes I do get bored.
Still no reason to see this incident as different from the bogus xmas crotch bomber.
How about get the terrorists before they actually carry out the terrorist attacks? Yanno, like the Bush Administration used to do.
With regard to the topic of how good the Bush Administration was in proactively going after terrorists here before they could attack, I think we need a little clarification.
First, to whatever extent the Bush Administration had some wonderful successes, we may not be privy to the information (i nall the instances) for security reasons.
Obviously, then (secondly) we cannot use such NON-disseminated (hypothetical) information to support any claim that the Bush Administration was all that good at the task.
BUT, (thirdly) we do know that the Bush Administration had sought, gotten and used a variety of TOOLS (like the PATRIOT Act and the NSA and communications' intercepts, etc) to at least try to be proactive. We also know that they did have some measure of success in defeating some of these plots and "cells" DUE to such aggressive efforts. The Bush Administration wasn't afraid to call terrorists "terrorists" and that kind of mind-set has real implications that matter.
Fourth, I maintain its a little bit unfair to be overly critical of the Obama Administration which HAS enjoyed some successes, too. No, not the Christmas underwear bomber. Dumb luck. Certainly not the Times Square attempted bombing. Again, just dumb luck. But the assholes that worked from Queens, NY to Colorado to set up a NY City Subway bombing DID get apprehended on President Obama's watch, so in fairness, I say the Obama Administration gets some props for that.
Finally, I am afraid our luck (Christmas attempted bombing of the aircraft in Detroit and the NY Times' Square attempted bombing a couple of days ago) is unlikely to hold for long. TO avoid a terrorist successfully completing one of these attacks, we need a lot MORE than luck. My criticism of the Obama Administration on this point is pronounced.
How about get the terrorists before they actually carry out the terrorist attacks? Yanno, like the Bush Administration used to do.
you mean like the 9/11 bombers?
or richard reid?
the millenium plot was foiled by clinton.
what actual plots did the bush administration 'get' before they actually carried out terrorist attacks?
With regard to the topic of how good the Bush Administration was in proactively going after terrorists here before they could attack, I think we need a little clarification.
First, to whatever extent the Bush Administration had some wonderful successes, we may not be privy to the information (i nall the instances) for security reasons.
Obviously, then (secondly) we cannot use such NON-disseminated (hypothetical) information to support any claim that the Bush Administration was all that good at the task.
BUT, (thirdly) we do know that the Bush Administration had sought, gotten and used a variety of TOOLS (like the PATRIOT Act and the NSA and communications' intercepts, etc) to at least try to be proactive. We also know that they did have some measure of success in defeating some of these plots and "cells" DUE to such aggressive efforts. The Bush Administration wasn't afraid to call terrorists "terrorists" and that kind of mind-set has real implications that matter.
Fourth, I maintain its a little bit unfair to be overly critical of the Obama Administration which HAS enjoyed some successes, too. No, not the Christmas underwear bomber. Dumb luck. Certainly not the Times Square attempted bombing. Again, just dumb luck. But the assholes that worked from Queens, NY to Colorado to set up a NY City Subway bombing DID get apprehended on President Obama's watch, so in fairness, I say the Obama Administration gets some props for that.
Finally, I am afraid our luck (Christmas attempted bombing of the aircraft in Detroit and the NY Times' Square attempted bombing a couple of days ago) is unlikely to hold for long. TO avoid a terrorist successfully completing one of these attacks, we need a lot MORE than luck. My criticism of the Obama Administration on this point is pronounced.
you had me until there.... presumably there would be the same secrecy that you are willing to give slack to the bush admin for... or at least say it is neither a negative nor a positive.
in terms of this administration, much to my chagrin at least, the patriot act, including it's warrantless searches is still rocking and rolling.
there was never any reason to do away with the 72 hour window after surveillance was started to get a FISA Warrant (which had been denied something like once in the tens of thousands of times it was used). that is purely a means of not wanting to be accountable. it was true when bush was president, it's still true.
and to paraphrase our VP... this isn't a game... 'it's a big bleeping deal'... we need to stop the partisan rhetoric.
How about get the terrorists before they actually carry out the terrorist attacks? Yanno, like the Bush Administration used to do.
you mean like the 9/11 bombers?
or richard reid?
the millenium plot was foiled by clinton.
what actual plots did the bush administration 'get' before they actually carried out terrorist attacks?
