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Yes, I know.From the article that you probably didn't even read: The American Health Care Act of 2017 (H.R. 1628) often shortened to the AHCA, or nicknamed Trumpcare, is a United States Congress bill to partially repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA),
"Partially repeal"
"Persons with healthcare insurance coverage would be reduced by 14 million in 2018, 21 million in 2020, and 24 million in 2026 relative to current law."
Trump's promise: "“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”
Again, thanks.
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Just pointing out facts.Yes, I know.From the article that you probably didn't even read: The American Health Care Act of 2017 (H.R. 1628) often shortened to the AHCA, or nicknamed Trumpcare, is a United States Congress bill to partially repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA),
"Partially repeal"
"Persons with healthcare insurance coverage would be reduced by 14 million in 2018, 21 million in 2020, and 24 million in 2026 relative to current law."
Trump's promise: "“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”
Again, thanks.
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Yeah, kind of like every family will see a reduction of their premiums by $2,000 a year. If you want your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.
If Trump and the Republicans lied, at least it didn't cost us a trillion dollars or so.
See here is the problem. I am not saying that the U.S. should not have universal healthcare. What I am calling for is something that is lacking today, common sense.Now look at those countries that have healthcare paid by the government. How much is the individual income tax? The lowest is 45% the highest is 62%. Now compare that to the U.S.
Meaningless. If I paid what I paid in insurance as taxes, my tax would be up in the 50% range, too.
Next look at things like health costs. Medication cost are higher in the U.S. Because of strenuous testing standards. Look at Talcum powder and its link to ovarian cancer. What was the eventual settlement? What is a wrongful death lawsuit worth in the U.S. compared to those other countries which limit the amount?
Those other countries can limit the amount because lifetime healthcare is already guaranteed. As opposed to the US, where you have to get a seven figure settlement to cover lifetime medical needs.
Compare the cost of education. Compare the cost of running a hospital, ambulance service etc. compared to other countries.
Consider that a doctor often orders more tests just to cya because if they make a wrong diagnosis and are sued their cost of malpractice insurance goes up.
Um, guy, first, I want my doctor doing all the tests to make sure he doesn't miss anything.
When you compare the actual number of bankruptcies due solely to healthcare versus other reasons it is lower. The numbers show that you are more likely to declare bankruptcy due to purchasing too many toys or to large of a house then due solely to healthcare.
In 2008, I had a series of surgeries for MINOR medical issues, (nothing life threatening) and my bills totalled close to $50,000. Insurance covered about 2/3rds of that, but what I was left with was a lot more than I have ever spent on "toys".
My point is you can have the doctor run a test for a test but each test costs more money. Each time a doctor is sued his insurance goes up. That cost is passed on.Now look at those countries that have healthcare paid by the government. How much is the individual income tax? The lowest is 45% the highest is 62%. Now compare that to the U.S.
Meaningless. If I paid what I paid in insurance as taxes, my tax would be up in the 50% range, too.
Next look at things like health costs. Medication cost are higher in the U.S. Because of strenuous testing standards. Look at Talcum powder and its link to ovarian cancer. What was the eventual settlement? What is a wrongful death lawsuit worth in the U.S. compared to those other countries which limit the amount?
Those other countries can limit the amount because lifetime healthcare is already guaranteed. As opposed to the US, where you have to get a seven figure settlement to cover lifetime medical needs.
Compare the cost of education. Compare the cost of running a hospital, ambulance service etc. compared to other countries.
Consider that a doctor often orders more tests just to cya because if they make a wrong diagnosis and are sued their cost of malpractice insurance goes up.
Um, guy, first, I want my doctor doing all the tests to make sure he doesn't miss anything.
When you compare the actual number of bankruptcies due solely to healthcare versus other reasons it is lower. The numbers show that you are more likely to declare bankruptcy due to purchasing too many toys or to large of a house then due solely to healthcare.
In 2008, I had a series of surgeries for MINOR medical issues, (nothing life threatening) and my bills totalled close to $50,000. Insurance covered about 2/3rds of that, but what I was left with was a lot more than I have ever spent on "toys".
Too many seem to think that it will magically be paid for. Or someone else will pay for it. I advocate a 50% income tax. If it turns out that this is too much then a tax cut can be given. I have heard of all types of crazy ideas for paying for universal healthcare. Such as we steal all those money from Bezos, Walton, and others. To we get rid of all the military. To we just print more money.
My point is you can have the doctor run a test for a test but each test costs more money. Each time a doctor is sued his insurance goes up. That cost is passed on.
Once again medical costs money. It needs to be paid for one way or another. You can pay for insurance or you can pay for universal heathcare but you need to pay for it. The only thing that is free is dying because at times even air costs. Dying you do not pay for, your survivors may but you don't.
My point is you can have the doctor run a test for a test but each test costs more money. Each time a doctor is sued his insurance goes up. That cost is passed on.
Once again medical costs money. It needs to be paid for one way or another. You can pay for insurance or you can pay for universal heathcare but you need to pay for it. The only thing that is free is dying because at times even air costs. Dying you do not pay for, your survivors may but you don't.
again, Canada,Europe and Japan have already figured this out. They pay less and get better results.
Just pointing out facts.Yes, I know.From the article that you probably didn't even read: The American Health Care Act of 2017 (H.R. 1628) often shortened to the AHCA, or nicknamed Trumpcare, is a United States Congress bill to partially repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA),
"Partially repeal"
"Persons with healthcare insurance coverage would be reduced by 14 million in 2018, 21 million in 2020, and 24 million in 2026 relative to current law."
Trump's promise: "“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”
Again, thanks.
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Yeah, kind of like every family will see a reduction of their premiums by $2,000 a year. If you want your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.
If Trump and the Republicans lied, at least it didn't cost us a trillion dollars or so.
The GOP dropped the ball big time. Point the finger at the other guy all you want.
If we end up with Single Payer, which I don't want, the GOP will be partially to blame.
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You think so? Try talking to older Canadians sometime and I think you'll find how wrong you are. We get Canadian truck drivers here all the time, and I often bring up their healthcare. The elder drivers tell me to keep what we got, or we'll be sorry.
I don't live there for one important reason. There isn't enough money in my bank account to pay for it.
Free everything for everybody faces the same dilemma. There isn't enough money in Uncle Sam's bank account to pay for it...
You think so? Try talking to older Canadians sometime and I think you'll find how wrong you are. We get Canadian truck drivers here all the time, and I often bring up their healthcare. The elder drivers tell me to keep what we got, or we'll be sorry.
Guy, we've already established, anyone who you talk to probably tells you whatever racist shit you want to hear to get you to shut the fuck up.
I am actually quick enough to know that free healthcare will bankrupt this country. Keep in mind that we are a debtor nation. We are already borrowing the money our government is spending on top of what they tax us.
We already work from Jan. to May before we reach tax freedom day. Add free health care to that and we'll
work until Sept. for our government, will less and less healthcare in return.
Well let's look at that crazy idea there sport. The lowest estimate puts Medicare for all which is cheaper then single payer at like 2.6 Trillion per year. That means that we would have to completely defund the military and kick up taxes on those you call rich to over 50%. So if we completely defund the military what do we do if China or the dreaded Russians attack? Give them hugs and throw kisses?Too many seem to think that it will magically be paid for. Or someone else will pay for it. I advocate a 50% income tax. If it turns out that this is too much then a tax cut can be given. I have heard of all types of crazy ideas for paying for universal healthcare. Such as we steal all those money from Bezos, Walton, and others. To we get rid of all the military. To we just print more money.
Yeah, making the rich pay their fair share and not having a bloated military budget. That's just crazy talk,man!
Oh, except every other industrialized country already does that...
Yes free Healthcare will. There are not enough young healthy people paying in to Obamacare to support it.I am actually quick enough to know that free healthcare will bankrupt this country. Keep in mind that we are a debtor nation. We are already borrowing the money our government is spending on top of what they tax us.
We already work from Jan. to May before we reach tax freedom day. Add free health care to that and we'll
work until Sept. for our government, will less and less healthcare in return.
The lowest estimate puts Medicare for all which is cheaper then single payer at like 2.6 Trillion per year
I was talking reputable estimate. One which takes into consideration the so called "dead wood" those who can not pay anything or those that can not pay the full amount. It also takes into account the inevitable increase in government bloat and inefficiency.The lowest estimate puts Medicare for all which is cheaper then single payer at like 2.6 Trillion per year
Not true. The lowest estimate puts it at 1.5 trillion
And you all ignore the fact that all the existing money (or most of it) that is currently being paid by employers into private insurance would no longer be spent ...or it would be spent paying INTO that fund.
So the most viable minimum that I stated still stands. That is considered by some that even that may not even come close. No one has yet come up with a viable way to pay for it without increasing taxes. Nor has anyone come up with a viable alternative of what would be done if it turns out to be much more expensive then predicted.
While you are correct in some ways you fail to see a number of very important points.So the most viable minimum that I stated still stands. That is considered by some that even that may not even come close. No one has yet come up with a viable way to pay for it without increasing taxes. Nor has anyone come up with a viable alternative of what would be done if it turns out to be much more expensive then predicted.
The real problem is we are looking for solutions in the wrong way.
The biggest problem is the cost. So that's what needs to be worked on first. There are nearly a dozen ways to lower cost of medical care. Once we can do that, then we can figure out a way to pay for it. But that's why ObamaCare was such a failure. It never addressed cost. It only shifted money from one place to another. The cost was still high and kept getting higher, but they just found new ways to pay for it, so it never solved our initial problems.
