Poll: Democracy For or Against

[Wry Catcher]

Once again, Rope-a-Dope completely misses the point: Conservatives are true democrats who willingly accept the will of the people, no matter how stupid they are. Ironically, big "D" Democrats pursue winning elections (for the "greater good") at any cost, and use any means possible to negate election results they don't agree with.

What I was a kid, I read Superman Comics and there was a theme called Bizarro World - is that where you are from?

 

[beretta304]

A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]

 

[DiamondDave]

Democracy, in terms of what it REALLY is.. or Democracy, as in what people mislabel what our government was set up to be??

 

[beretta304]

In a pure democracy 51 beats 49[%]. In a democracy there is no such thing as a significant minority: there are no minority rights except civil rights (privileges) granted by a condescending majority. Only five of the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments apply to Citizens of the United States. Simply stated, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. Socrates was executed by a democracy: though he harmed no one, the majority found him intolerable.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Democracy is the best of all possible bad choices. Although the founders had it right when they limited to the vote to only taxpayers.

The Founders limitation on who could vote went a whole lot further than that.

BTW - conditioning the vote on paying a tax is unconstitutional and hence un-American.

Where does the constitution say you cannot limit voting?

 

[DiamondDave]

Democracy is the best of all possible bad choices. Although the founders had it right when they limited to the vote to only taxpayers.

The Founders limitation on who could vote went a whole lot further than that.

BTW - conditioning the vote on paying a tax is unconstitutional and hence un-American.

Where does the constitution say you cannot limit voting?

As a matter of fact we ALREADY limit voting... no prisoners, no persons who are wards of the state, no minors, no non-citizens (allegedly)... we may not do much to actually check and enforce it, but we do limit voting

 

[kwc57]

Democracy is the best of all possible bad choices. Although the founders had it right when they limited to the vote to only taxpayers.

The Founders limitation on who could vote went a whole lot further than that.

BTW - conditioning the vote on paying a tax is unconstitutional and hence un-American.

Where does the constitution say you cannot limit voting?

Already asked and was ignored. Go figure.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Bull crap.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

In a pure democracy 51 beats 49[%]. In a democracy there is no such thing as a significant minority: there are no minority rights except civil rights (privileges) granted by a condescending majority. Only five of the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments apply to Citizens of the United States. Simply stated, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. Socrates was executed by a democracy: though he harmed no one, the majority found him intolerable.

FAIL
The minority protections that exist in the Constitution exist because a super-majority decided they should be there.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In a pure democracy 51 beats 49[%]. In a democracy there is no such thing as a significant minority: there are no minority rights except civil rights (privileges) granted by a condescending majority. Only five of the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments apply to Citizens of the United States. Simply stated, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. Socrates was executed by a democracy: though he harmed no one, the majority found him intolerable.

FAIL
The minority protections that exist in the Constitution exist because a super-majority decided they should be there.

What the fuck are you talking about?