Poll: Americans Want Obama to Negotiate

[Hoffstra]

Anyone who spends and borrows without limit is unpatriotic, they are damaging the economic future of our country!

trying to spend $5,000 when you have a $4,500 credit card limit, makes you a thief.

The Republicans approved the spending. They need to approve the credit limit raise or they are thieves.

 

[driveby]

the debt ceiling should be raised, no questions asked.

they approved the spending, they need to approve the borrowing.

The Marxist in chief called Bush unpatriotic for doing the same thing (to a lesser degree) that he's doing......

Do you agree that Bush was unpatriotic for doing that?

Fucking a right he was......

Is Obama unpatriotic and a hypocrite for criticizing Bush, then doubling down with the same nonsense?

 

[velvtacheeze]

He is willing to negotiate the terms of the CR. I don't know what the ACA has to do with it.

 

[Avorysuds]

Could that possibly be because Americans are idiots who don't understand what the fuck the debt ceiling even is?

Most of the people right on this forum who claim they're in favor of freezing the debt ceiling can't tell you how and where they would make the cuts in spending to accomplish that.

I can, and so can many others... If I or others tell you where cuts can be made will you end your useless account here and never come back? Or will you just pretend you didn't get an answer so you can keep shitting on these forums?

 

[Unkotare]

This administration has negotiated and compromised.

It has never done anything more than go through a kabuki dance of compromise, always underpinned by the fundamental(ist?) orientation of "At the end of the day, you'll do what we damn well want."

 

[Avorysuds]

the debt ceiling should be raised, no questions asked.

they approved the spending, they need to approve the borrowing.

The Marxist in chief called Bush unpatriotic for doing the same thing (to a lesser degree) that he's doing......

Do you agree that Bush was unpatriotic for doing that?

Bush was a horrible President, for many thing... Not one of these things that made Bush horrible has Obama or Dems repealed or done differently.... In fact most of the worst things Bush did have been expanded upon by Obama and Dems.

Yet you mindlessly defend and support Dems/Obama while hating Bush/reps.

 

[daveman]

The Marxist in chief called Bush unpatriotic for doing the same thing (to a lesser degree) that he's doing......

Obama isn't a Marxist.

Tea Baggers thing sharing cookies is Marxism.

It is when the government steals cookies from the baker and gives them to people who don't pay for them.

 

[daveman]

the debt ceiling should be raised, no questions asked.

they approved the spending, they need to approve the borrowing.

The Marxist in chief called Bush unpatriotic for doing the same thing (to a lesser degree) that he's doing......

Do you agree that Bush was unpatriotic for doing that?

Do you?

 

[Hoffstra]

why should we negotiate with a gun to our heads?

 

[Avorysuds]

why should we negotiate with a gun to our heads?

This just got really dumb... thx for that Hoffa.

 

[Vox]

The Marxist in chief called Bush unpatriotic for doing the same thing (to a lesser degree) that he's doing......

Obama isn't a Marxist.

Tea Baggers thing sharing cookies is Marxism.

of course he is. he simply can not implement all he wishes from marxism

 

[EriktheRed]

why should we negotiate with a gun to our heads?

Yesterday, a couple of news outlets reported that John Boehner has privately told colleagues he will let Democrats vote for a bill to raise the debt ceiling rather than allow default. That would seem to severely crimp Boehner’s ability to threaten Democrats with default. Today, some Republican House members assure National Review that, no, no, the threat is still somehow there:

“We are not going to default on the U.S. debt. We never have, we never will. If anybody defaults, it’ll be the president, who doesn’t write the check. But the speaker was very clear today that, while we’re not going to default, but there will be a negotiation. Even though the president says there will not be, there will be,” said Representative Phil Roe of Tennessee.
Boehner argued “the media is wrong,” said Representative John Fleming of Louisiana, and that Boehner’s insistence that the government will not default on its debts “shouldn’t be misconstrued as saying we’re not going to challenge Democrats in that debate.”

They’re either obscuring, or failing to understand, how threats work. Of course, threats often employ a level of obtuseness. But ultimately, there’s either a threat, or there isn’t.

...the Republicans want to have a negotiation over Obamacare and other aspects of fiscal policy under the premise that failure to reach a deal Republicans like will lead to the world economy melting down. The Republicans are currently contemplating a "negotiation" that isn't as grandiose as killing Obamacare but is definitely not anything Democrats would agree to without a gun to their head:

There will be a “mechanism” for revenue-neutral tax reform, ushered by Ryan and Michigan’s Dave Camp, that will encourage deeper congressional talks in the coming year. There will be entitlement-reform proposals, most likely chained CPI and means-testing Social Security; there will also be some health-care provisions, such as a repeal of the medical-device tax, which has bipartisan support in both chambers.

So, tax cuts and cuts to retirement programs, and no new revenue? What would make Obama sign that, other than a threat of default?

Let Me Explain How Extortion Works, Republicans

 

[SFC Ollie]

This administration has negotiated and compromised.

To say otherwise is to lie.

Bull Shit.

 

[The T]

This administration has negotiated and compromised.

To say otherwise is to lie.

Is that what he told Boehner, McConnell the other night when they had their meeting? He told them INFACTICATICALLY...HE WILL NOT COMPROMISE.

Obama is playing a dangerous game with the lives of others for POLITICS.

He is a sick human being.

 

[The T]

This administration has negotiated and compromised.

To say otherwise is to lie.

Bull Shit.

Agreed. He and Reid are playing politics with the lives of MILLIONS. They're sick bastards. Seriously SICK.

 

[Wry Catcher]

October 3 2013~
Let the nay saying begin!

"A majority of Americans want President Obama to negotiate with Congress over the debt ceiling, and nearly two-thirds oppose raising the debt without significant spending reforms attached, according to a recent poll from Ending Spending and the American Action Forum.

House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) said Wednesday following a meeting at the White House that the president had ”reiterated one more time tonight that he will not negotiate.” Obama and most Democrats favor a “clean” debt-ceiling hike without spending reforms attached. Meanwhile, House GOP leaders are said to be working on a larger budget deal to end the government and raise the debt ceiling with reforms."

Poll: Americans Want Obama to Negotiate | National Review Online

KEY FINDINGS
1. AN OPPORTUNITY: Obama is badly bruised. The President's numbers aren't strong, with an underwater approval rating (43% approve, 49% disapprove), and a generic congressional ballot that has Republicans ahead by 4 points (40% GOP, 36%DEM)

Just read the rest yourself:

http://www.endingspending.com/docs/debtceilingpoll.pdf

Your link is broken, please fix it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ending Spending and the American Action Forum?

Notice the link is broken, who the hell is the American Action Forum (do I smell the Koch Brothers?).

 

[The T]

Ending Spending and the American Action Forum?

Notice the link is broken, who the hell is the American Action Forum (do I smell the Koch Brothers?).

WHO cares? The question is still pertinent. USE your brain for once dipshit.

 

[Hoffstra]

The spending was approved by the Republicans.

Now its time to fund the spending.

no tricks, games, or bullshit.

 

[Londoner]

The OP is probably kidding with this poll, but

The polling company is called "End Spending" and they only seem to produce polls which favor Republican issues. Funny how that works.

Thanks for the objective reporting.

(Hopefully, the OP realizes that political movements have their own polling companies, and their own news agencies and think tanks. How do you think they convinced a generation that Reagan spent less than Carter, or that Reagan didn't massively support Hussein, or that big government Conservatism didn't pass the largest expansion of entitlement spending in the last 1/2 century with Medicare Part D? To create a fake world of manufactured facts you need your own information universe along with people dumb enough to believe you. Welcome to Death Panels)

The country disapproves of the GOP doing an end-run around the Constitution to destroy a law that they couldn't repeal or block legally.

But if you want to find bullshit polling, there are plenty on both sides...

Poll: Americans not happy about shutdown; more blame GOP - CBS News

Poll: GOP blamed more than Dems - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com

Polls are fun!