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[DavidS]

You can't. Homosexuality is a mental sickness not a lifestyle. IMO

Actually, I think they are finding that irrational hatred and fear of that which does not affect or harm you is a mental sickness.

People who practice homosexuality experience higher rates of many diseases, including:

Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
Hepatitis A, B and C
Gonorrhea
Syphillis
Gay Bowel syndrome
HIV/AIDS
Bacterial vaginosis

People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of:

Alcohol abuse
Drug abuse
Nicotine dependence
Depression
Suicide
Domestic violence (20 times more common than among heterosexuals)

Ah, but maybe these problems are the result of society's discrimination against homosexual people. Not true. If we look at places in which homosexuality is accepted, such as The Netherlands (gay marriage is legal there) and San Fransisco, we find that the greater the acceptance of homosexual behavior, the higher the rate of the above negative consequences. Accepting homosexual behavior makes it worse!

What about the effect of homosexual behavior on society?

In addition to a domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than among heterosexuals, these are some of the negative effects homosexuality has on society:

Higher rates of child molestation*
(Nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and homosexuals are only 3% of the population.)

Daughters of lesbian "parents" are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior and experience the consequences of that behavior.

In areas in which homosexual marriage has become accepted (The Netherlands and areas of Scandinavia, for example), the fundamental building block of society--the family--has fallen apart. In some of these areas as many as 80% of the children are born outside of a family.

Children of homosexual "parents" do the worst in 9 of 13 acedemic categories when compared with both married heterosexual couples and cohabitating couples.

Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears down society and harms children.

Does Homosexuality Pose a Threat to Society?

Homosexuality Harms Society

Both of your sources are extremely biased and are unacceptable applications of evidence. That's like going to NAMBLA website and producing a list of facts about how pedophilia is natural and safe!

 

[DavidS]

Actually, I am an uncle. He adopted a baby 3 months ago. A friend of his got pregnant and planned to have an abortion and he convinced her not to and that he and his partner would adopt the child. And so it was done.

Please, Sunni, tell me how you view adoption. Go ahead. Cross that red line.

Allowing homos to adopt children is the worse form of child abuse

To be raised by diseased mentally ill perverts will only lead to a life of ridicule and hardship for the kid.

Plus, chances are, the child will be molested by one or both of the partners before the age of 18

I don't think you believe what you're saying. You're just a troll.

 

[froggy]

let em have at it. the bible talks of the things we are experiencing today. wow! how did they know it that many years ago. it talks of famine china is already saying it cannot produce enough food. speaks of pestalant diseases but this is not the end of time, just the beginning of the end.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I suggest you research the origin of marriage.

I suggest you do the same before you actually post that here. Homosexual marriage was very common in ancient Greece, ancient Rome, Babylon, ancient China and so on. Homosexual marriage pre-dates Christianity and likely Judaism. In fact, it wasn't until the mid 300s that homosexual marriage was banned in the Roman Empire.

Homosexual marriage was rampant throughout ancient China and India. In fact, it is thought that the first religious ceremony for marriage took place in India nearly 6000 years ago. Hindus have many sacred texts and different communities give special importance to different texts. Even more so than in other religions, Hindus also foster disparate interpretations of the meaning of various texts. The Vedas, which form the foundation of Hinduism for many, do not refer explicitly to homosexuality, but Rigveda says Vikruti Evam Prakriti (perversity/diversity is what nature is all about, or, what seems un-natural is also natural), which some scholars believe recognizes homosexual/transsexual dimensions of human life. People of a third gender, not fully men nor women, are mentioned here and there throughout Hindu texts such as the Puranas but are not specifically defined.

The entire purpose of marriage in some Western societies during the Roman Empire was to bond a man and a woman to make children... and that's it. There was no love, there was no child support. Man would marry the woman and get her pregnant. She had no rights whatsoever.

Marriage never was about love until really only a few hundred years ago. When a man wanted a relationship in ancient society, he had it with another man as women were thought to be too weak to have a full relationship.

How you think it should or should not be defined is irrelevant.

I would say the same for you. Marriage has been redefined hundreds of times throughout the history of society. If marriage had not been, you would've been married to you 12 year old wife at age 30 and you would've gotten her pregnant by age 13. Aren't you glad we changed the definition of marriage??



Because not everyone in society is born homosexual?



Our growth rate is less than 1%. The number of gays and lesbians in the past 30 years has grown by leaps and bounds. In 1980, less than 1% of the country was estimated to be homosexual. Today it's over 10% and as acceptance of it grows, so grows the percentage. So you're postulation that because America is growing by .84% compared with the growth of homosexuality (over 1000%) in America is completely off base.



My abnormal lifestyle? I'm single and 30 because I can't find a woman who can actually keep my interest for more than 15 seconds. Maybe you're talking about my brother, a former soldier and a firefighter who was almost killed in 9/11. What's the matter -- you don't approve of his lifestyle? You don't approve of him putting his life on the line for us? You don't approve of him rescuing people and almost dying?

If homosexuals cannot be married then they cannot be divorced,

You should check the news. Homosexuals CAN be married in several states.

besides even in the states where civil unions are recognized the number of homosexuals engaging in civil unions is nowhere near the number of heterosexual getting married.

Of course not. That's because homosexuality is a genetic trait. It's something you're born with. It's in your DNA. I'd say it affects 1 out of every 8 people. Just because the percentage of homosexual Americans now is around 10%, doesn't mean it's going to stay there. I'd say it'll top off around 10% - 15%. And I include bi-sexuality and transgender in there as well. The reason why you don't see as many civil unions or marriages in states that allow them, is because there aren't as many homosexuals. That's like saying just because there state allows Jews to get married and there aren't as many Jewish marriage as there are Christian marriages..... you get my point, bub?

You'll have to supply some links to all the claims your making. There is no "gay gene" by the way, but I understand you need to find a way to validate your abominal lifestyle.

Is There a "Gay Gene"?

 

[DavidS]

let em have at it. the bible talks of the things we are experiencing today. wow! how did they know it that many years ago. it talks of famine china is already saying it cannot produce enough food. speaks of pestalant diseases but this is not the end of time, just the beginning of the end.

Yes! The Bible predicted that there would be the exact same conditions today that were thousands of years ago! Holy shit! Literally!

 

[DavidS]

I suggest you research the origin of marriage.

I suggest you do the same before you actually post that here. Homosexual marriage was very common in ancient Greece, ancient Rome, Babylon, ancient China and so on. Homosexual marriage pre-dates Christianity and likely Judaism. In fact, it wasn't until the mid 300s that homosexual marriage was banned in the Roman Empire.

Homosexual marriage was rampant throughout ancient China and India. In fact, it is thought that the first religious ceremony for marriage took place in India nearly 6000 years ago. Hindus have many sacred texts and different communities give special importance to different texts. Even more so than in other religions, Hindus also foster disparate interpretations of the meaning of various texts. The Vedas, which form the foundation of Hinduism for many, do not refer explicitly to homosexuality, but Rigveda says Vikruti Evam Prakriti (perversity/diversity is what nature is all about, or, what seems un-natural is also natural), which some scholars believe recognizes homosexual/transsexual dimensions of human life. People of a third gender, not fully men nor women, are mentioned here and there throughout Hindu texts such as the Puranas but are not specifically defined.

The entire purpose of marriage in some Western societies during the Roman Empire was to bond a man and a woman to make children... and that's it. There was no love, there was no child support. Man would marry the woman and get her pregnant. She had no rights whatsoever.

Marriage never was about love until really only a few hundred years ago. When a man wanted a relationship in ancient society, he had it with another man as women were thought to be too weak to have a full relationship.



I would say the same for you. Marriage has been redefined hundreds of times throughout the history of society. If marriage had not been, you would've been married to you 12 year old wife at age 30 and you would've gotten her pregnant by age 13. Aren't you glad we changed the definition of marriage??



Because not everyone in society is born homosexual?



Our growth rate is less than 1%. The number of gays and lesbians in the past 30 years has grown by leaps and bounds. In 1980, less than 1% of the country was estimated to be homosexual. Today it's over 10% and as acceptance of it grows, so grows the percentage. So you're postulation that because America is growing by .84% compared with the growth of homosexuality (over 1000%) in America is completely off base.



My abnormal lifestyle? I'm single and 30 because I can't find a woman who can actually keep my interest for more than 15 seconds. Maybe you're talking about my brother, a former soldier and a firefighter who was almost killed in 9/11. What's the matter -- you don't approve of his lifestyle? You don't approve of him putting his life on the line for us? You don't approve of him rescuing people and almost dying?



You should check the news. Homosexuals CAN be married in several states.

besides even in the states where civil unions are recognized the number of homosexuals engaging in civil unions is nowhere near the number of heterosexual getting married.

Of course not. That's because homosexuality is a genetic trait. It's something you're born with. It's in your DNA. I'd say it affects 1 out of every 8 people. Just because the percentage of homosexual Americans now is around 10%, doesn't mean it's going to stay there. I'd say it'll top off around 10% - 15%. And I include bi-sexuality and transgender in there as well. The reason why you don't see as many civil unions or marriages in states that allow them, is because there aren't as many homosexuals. That's like saying just because there state allows Jews to get married and there aren't as many Jewish marriage as there are Christian marriages..... you get my point, bub?

You'll have to supply some links to all the claims your making. There is no "gay gene" by the way, but I understand you need to find a way to validate your abominal lifestyle.

Is There a "Gay Gene"?

Why does everyone assume because I support the rights of homosexuals, that I'm gay? If I support the rights of black people, does that make me black?

Human behavior, sexual desire, etc. is completely based off of genetic and cultural predisposition. Anyone in 4th year medical school can tell you this. You picked your wife because you were born the way you are and because of the life you lived.

Again, your sources are biased and are unacceptable.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I still don't understand how you can be a small gov conservative and fight against gay marriage

Because marraige has been defined as a civil union between a man and a woman. What part of that don't you homosexuals understand?

Name one homosexual society that has flourished?

Name one society that has flourished that didn't have homosexuals in it.

P.S. allowing gay marriage doesn't make you a 'homosexual society', whatever the fuck that is.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Name one homosexual society that has flourished?

Anyone who has studied history knows that homosexuality became rampant whenever a society or culture was in decline or collaspe.

The main question to me is:

Does homosexuality 'cause' the decay and downfall of nations?

Or is it just a 'symptom' of a dying and sick society?

Does that explain the collapse of the Soviet Union? I thought Reagan caused that...

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Since gays comprise only between 2 and 10% of the population thru out history, how can we have a homosexual society?

You can't. Homosexuality is a mental sickness not a lifestyle. IMO

Okay -- I know this is your opinion, but what facts do you base your claim off of? I mean, you can't just look up to a clear, blue sunny sky and say it's raining. You have to have facts. So, what facts using the criteria in which the DSM-IV-TSR defines a mental sick... well, in fact, I'm going to widen your definition.

We're going to say that homosexuality is not a sickness but a disorder, because that covers a much wider range of problems. Someone can have a psychological disorder but not have a mental illness (requiring hospitalization).

First, let me ask this: What is your criteria for having a mental disorder?

Second, how does your criteria differ from the Research Diagnostic Criteria (RDC) and Feighner Criteria? Please remember both of which are the most widely accepted psychological criterias for assigning a mental disorder and both criterias are used to define a mental disorder in the DSM-IV and both of which have proven that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. So you must have developed a new criteria that is BETTER than both of those criterias, in which countless thousands of psychologists and psychiatrist worldwide have contributed to and developed through decades of research. Additionally, please tell me which college you obtained your PhD in psychology from.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but you need facts to back an opinion or you're just stating something with absolutely no concrete evidence whatsoever, in which case your posts belong in the conspiracy theory zone to be laughed at by the likes of Terral and Eots.

I suppose you hold a PhD?

Fact is homosexual activity in my opinion is not normal behavior and any one that engages in abnormal behavior is suffering from some sort of mental illness.

Some people are born with a predisposition to violence, is it therefore ok to act on those impulses? Same can be said for homosexual tendencies, could it not?

The American Psychological Association has come out with a statement reporting what we all knew anyway: there is no gay gene. Genetics plays no role in a person's sexual orientation. Homosexuals are not 'born that way.'

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

APA revises 'gay gene' theory (OneNewsNow.com)

 

[NYcarbineer]

Because marraige has been defined as a civil union between a man and a woman. What part of that don't you homosexuals understand?

Name one homosexual society that has flourished?

First of all, the definition of marriage is incorrect. Marriage has always been a civil union between two people. It should not have anything to do with gender. Why? Because two men or two women have proven that they can love each other just as strongly as a man and a woman. They can raise children and the children flourish. They can do every single thing a heterosexual couple can do. In fact, I would argue that they would do it better because the divorce rate amongst homosexuals is in the single digits while amongst heterosexuals is over 50%.

And #2 - there is no such thing as a homosexual society. Society is too large. Looking at the homosexual demographic of America, they're flourishing -- they're doing great. They're getting bills passed, they have their own cable networks, magazines... they're a flourishing demographic of America and society is becoming more and more accepting of them. So the number of open homosexuals in our society will continue to grow and hopefully with that, the ban will be lifted and the definition of marriage will be changed.

I suggest you research the origin of marriage. How you think it should or should not be defined is irrelevant. Again name one homosexual society that has flourished? Oh that's right there is no such thing, I wonder why that is? You think it's flourishing because as the population of the US grows so does the number of homosexuals.

At least you admit what the true definition is and it will not be changed just so you homosexuals can validate your abominal lifestyle.

If homosexuals cannot be married then they cannot be divorced, besides even in the states where civil unions are recognized the number of homosexuals engaging in civil unions is nowhere near the number of heterosexual getting married. So it's not a fair analysis on your part.
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There's never been a celibate society that flourished either, so there by your logic is grounds for forcing people to marry and have sex.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Actually, I think they are finding that irrational hatred and fear of that which does not affect or harm you is a mental sickness.

People who practice homosexuality experience higher rates of many diseases, including:

Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
Hepatitis A, B and C
Gonorrhea
Syphillis
Gay Bowel syndrome
HIV/AIDS
Bacterial vaginosis

People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of:

Alcohol abuse
Drug abuse
Nicotine dependence
Depression
Suicide
Domestic violence (20 times more common than among heterosexuals)

Ah, but maybe these problems are the result of society's discrimination against homosexual people. Not true. If we look at places in which homosexuality is accepted, such as The Netherlands (gay marriage is legal there) and San Fransisco, we find that the greater the acceptance of homosexual behavior, the higher the rate of the above negative consequences. Accepting homosexual behavior makes it worse!

What about the effect of homosexual behavior on society?

In addition to a domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than among heterosexuals, these are some of the negative effects homosexuality has on society:

Higher rates of child molestation*
(Nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and homosexuals are only 3% of the population.)

Daughters of lesbian "parents" are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior and experience the consequences of that behavior.

In areas in which homosexual marriage has become accepted (The Netherlands and areas of Scandinavia, for example), the fundamental building block of society--the family--has fallen apart. In some of these areas as many as 80% of the children are born outside of a family.

Children of homosexual "parents" do the worst in 9 of 13 acedemic categories when compared with both married heterosexual couples and cohabitating couples.

Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears down society and harms children.

Does Homosexuality Pose a Threat to Society?

Homosexuality Harms Society

Both of your sources are extremely biased and are unacceptable applications of evidence. That's like going to NAMBLA website and producing a list of facts about how pedophilia is natural and safe!

Argue the facts presented and stop worrying about the source.

 

[midcan5]

OMG the sky didn't fall!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/health-and-lifestyle/50615-know-what-really-causes-homosexuality.html

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Fact is homosexual activity in my opinion is not normal behavior and any one that engages in abnormal behavior is suffering from some sort of mental illness.

Is celibacy a mental illness? Are the hetero couples who marry but choose not to have children mentally ill?

Is Tom Delay on Dancing with the Stars normal behaviour?

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
Fact is homosexual activity in my opinion is not normal behavior and any one that engages in abnormal behavior is suffering from some sort of mental illness.

What makes it abnormal?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I suggest you do the same before you actually post that here. Homosexual marriage was very common in ancient Greece, ancient Rome, Babylon, ancient China and so on. Homosexual marriage pre-dates Christianity and likely Judaism. In fact, it wasn't until the mid 300s that homosexual marriage was banned in the Roman Empire.

Homosexual marriage was rampant throughout ancient China and India. In fact, it is thought that the first religious ceremony for marriage took place in India nearly 6000 years ago. Hindus have many sacred texts and different communities give special importance to different texts. Even more so than in other religions, Hindus also foster disparate interpretations of the meaning of various texts. The Vedas, which form the foundation of Hinduism for many, do not refer explicitly to homosexuality, but Rigveda says Vikruti Evam Prakriti (perversity/diversity is what nature is all about, or, what seems un-natural is also natural), which some scholars believe recognizes homosexual/transsexual dimensions of human life. People of a third gender, not fully men nor women, are mentioned here and there throughout Hindu texts such as the Puranas but are not specifically defined.

The entire purpose of marriage in some Western societies during the Roman Empire was to bond a man and a woman to make children... and that's it. There was no love, there was no child support. Man would marry the woman and get her pregnant. She had no rights whatsoever.

Marriage never was about love until really only a few hundred years ago. When a man wanted a relationship in ancient society, he had it with another man as women were thought to be too weak to have a full relationship.



I would say the same for you. Marriage has been redefined hundreds of times throughout the history of society. If marriage had not been, you would've been married to you 12 year old wife at age 30 and you would've gotten her pregnant by age 13. Aren't you glad we changed the definition of marriage??



Because not everyone in society is born homosexual?



Our growth rate is less than 1%. The number of gays and lesbians in the past 30 years has grown by leaps and bounds. In 1980, less than 1% of the country was estimated to be homosexual. Today it's over 10% and as acceptance of it grows, so grows the percentage. So you're postulation that because America is growing by .84% compared with the growth of homosexuality (over 1000%) in America is completely off base.



My abnormal lifestyle? I'm single and 30 because I can't find a woman who can actually keep my interest for more than 15 seconds. Maybe you're talking about my brother, a former soldier and a firefighter who was almost killed in 9/11. What's the matter -- you don't approve of his lifestyle? You don't approve of him putting his life on the line for us? You don't approve of him rescuing people and almost dying?



You should check the news. Homosexuals CAN be married in several states.

Of course not. That's because homosexuality is a genetic trait. It's something you're born with. It's in your DNA. I'd say it affects 1 out of every 8 people. Just because the percentage of homosexual Americans now is around 10%, doesn't mean it's going to stay there. I'd say it'll top off around 10% - 15%. And I include bi-sexuality and transgender in there as well. The reason why you don't see as many civil unions or marriages in states that allow them, is because there aren't as many homosexuals. That's like saying just because there state allows Jews to get married and there aren't as many Jewish marriage as there are Christian marriages..... you get my point, bub?

You'll have to supply some links to all the claims your making. There is no "gay gene" by the way, but I understand you need to find a way to validate your abominal lifestyle.

Is There a "Gay Gene"?

Why does everyone assume because I support the rights of homosexuals, that I'm gay? If I support the rights of black people, does that make me black?

Human behavior, sexual desire, etc. is completely based off of genetic and cultural predisposition. Anyone in 4th year medical school can tell you this. You picked your wife because you were born the way you are and because of the life you lived.

Again, your sources are biased and are unacceptable.

What rights do heterosexuals have that homosexuals don't?

Just because the majority of Amercans detest homosexuals doesn't mean they have less rights. What you and the homosexuals want to do is cram your or their abominal lifestyle into mainstream America to try and validate what most percieve as sick and twisted. You should count your blessings that homosexuals are at least tolerated in this country.

You can't argue the facts so you dismiss them as being biased. Yes they are biased against homosexuals as most rational thinking Americans are. So I guess you could say that the majority of Americans are biased, but that would also make you biased in your beliefs.

I swear you people can't argue the facts and you think that by marginalizing the source it will make your case. Well it doesn't! Either prove the facts provided are false or concede.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I still don't understand how you can be a small gov conservative and fight against gay marriage

Because marraige has been defined as a civil union between a man and a woman. What part of that don't you homosexuals understand?

Name one homosexual society that has flourished?

Name one society that has flourished that didn't have homosexuals in it.

P.S. allowing gay marriage doesn't make you a 'homosexual society', whatever the fuck that is.

I admit there are sick fucks all thoughout history and in all societies. But I can guarantee you no homosexuial society has ever flourished.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

First of all, the definition of marriage is incorrect. Marriage has always been a civil union between two people. It should not have anything to do with gender. Why? Because two men or two women have proven that they can love each other just as strongly as a man and a woman. They can raise children and the children flourish. They can do every single thing a heterosexual couple can do. In fact, I would argue that they would do it better because the divorce rate amongst homosexuals is in the single digits while amongst heterosexuals is over 50%.

And #2 - there is no such thing as a homosexual society. Society is too large. Looking at the homosexual demographic of America, they're flourishing -- they're doing great. They're getting bills passed, they have their own cable networks, magazines... they're a flourishing demographic of America and society is becoming more and more accepting of them. So the number of open homosexuals in our society will continue to grow and hopefully with that, the ban will be lifted and the definition of marriage will be changed.

I suggest you research the origin of marriage. How you think it should or should not be defined is irrelevant. Again name one homosexual society that has flourished? Oh that's right there is no such thing, I wonder why that is? You think it's flourishing because as the population of the US grows so does the number of homosexuals.

At least you admit what the true definition is and it will not be changed just so you homosexuals can validate your abominal lifestyle.

If homosexuals cannot be married then they cannot be divorced, besides even in the states where civil unions are recognized the number of homosexuals engaging in civil unions is nowhere near the number of heterosexual getting married. So it's not a fair analysis on your part.
.

There's never been a celibate society that flourished either, so there by your logic is grounds for forcing people to marry and have sex.

Yea that's it. I want to force people to get married.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

[
Fact is homosexual activity in my opinion is not normal behavior and any one that engages in abnormal behavior is suffering from some sort of mental illness.

Is celibacy a mental illness? Are the hetero couples who marry but choose not to have children mentally ill?

Is Tom Delay on Dancing with the Stars normal behaviour?

You know for a troll, you're not very good. Why don't you engage someone that gives a fuck what you think. Because I sure as hell don't.

 

[froggy]

There's never been a celibate society that flourished either, so there by your logic is grounds for forcing people to marry and have sex.

so your saying if everyone turned gay it would be a sure way of killing off the sickos.

 

[elvis]

I still don't understand how you can be a small gov conservative and fight against gay marriage

Because marraige has been defined as a civil union between a man and a woman. What part of that don't you homosexuals understand?

Name one homosexual society that has flourished?

Has there ever been an exclusively homosexual society?