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  1. Gunny
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    This is just an observation on my part, but one I think might make an interesting discussion.

    I've been a member of several political message boards for a few years. One thing that always strikes me is that in most cases, one side always dominates the other. By "side" I mean political "side." It seems that whichever side dominates, there is a core element that is intent on running the other side off the board.

    IMO, this shows a lack of foresight, and objective analysis of the mechanics. The purpose of the board is political debate. There is no debate if only one side of the argument exists. All that remains is smacking each other on the ass for whatever.

    I have watched a couple of message boards die for this very reason. Once the enclave has no one to run off, they get bored, attack one another, or find some other place to attempt a repeat performance, never considering that they are the means of their own destruction.

    Coincidentally, or maybe not, almost without exception, this group is the weakest at actual intellectual debate on any topic.

    Just wondering if anyone would like to add to, or express any thoughts on this.
     
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    I would not call what occurs here a "debate". It's usually not even a "discussion".

    Almost every thread starts with some article, spirals downward through strawmen and ends up in in personal attacks.
     
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    That's the fun of the internet.

    I've only observed the left actually running people off message boards. I've also seen libs pick up their toys and go home when they can't bully and/or shut up the opposition.

    I also have spent many, many years on the internet and on different message boards. The ONLY boards where posters will not get banned for having differing ideas are the RIGHT oriented boards. I've been banned twice or more from boards which started out with an open arena, and ended with leftists moving into the "moderator" spots and promptly banning anyone who didn't think like they did.

    And when they aren't given that option, they'll generally leave message boards where they are called on their crap and not allowed to prevent others from voicing their views a well.

    I've also seen boards where lefties got so angry over not being able to completely dominate the board, they actually filled out complaints with servers against other posters alleging every moronic thing in the book. All because they couldn't control what others think and say.

    Sort of scary.
     
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    Come on now CSM, you know the deal ... you're bringing me the problem without your recommended solution.

    IMO, most of us military-types are more aware of the consequences of abusing the privilege of freedom of speech. This is the internet. There is no accountability. The most that can happen to someone is they get banned; which, serves neither them nor the board.

    At the same time, I realize the heathens keep people such as yourself from contributing more, knowing you prefer a low-key, intelligent conversation to the opposing argument being a ding on your ancestry or intellect.

    There's got to be a happy medium.
     
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    What's fun about it? I was an active duty Marine for 20 years, and a Drill Instuctor for 2 of those. I don't any lessons on how to verbally abuse someone, and I did not then, nor now get much pleasure in it. There ARE exceptions. It's the only thing some people understand.

    I have observed the same thing with right oriented boards. I'm not trying to knock one side or the other. However, what you mention is the nature of the beast. Conservatives by definition are more conservative. Liberals by definition are more liberal and they resent ANY intrusion on what they believe is their "right." The result of that on a right oriented board will be a ban for behavior unacceptable to the board.

    As I said, there should be a happy medium.
     
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    You have to understand that not every single person is knowledgable in debate and logic, and therefore many people do not even have any idea they are using strawmen.

    If you want professional political debate, then maybe you should visit a board specifically for that?

    Otherwise, why get turned off by amateurs with opinions? This is the internet, afterall.
     
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    I don't know that he is looking for a strictly by the rules forum for debate. I've never seen him express that desire. What I have noticed about CSM is he will engage in a topic and with the foul-mouthed lack of manners folks want display their skills, he just leaves. He isn't only one.

    While you are correct in general, the whole point IS still political debate. Right? We have forums for people to talk about most anything they want, and even one where they can verbally beat each other up. So why does THAT have to get dragged into the political debate subforums?

    How can a rational human being equate responding to a well thought out and delivered post with deflections and insults as having any knowledge on the topic? I realize dumb people don't know they 're dumb, but more often than not, that isn't case. It's more refusing to admit you don't know what the Hell you're talking about or accepting being corrected if you are.

    Besides, who asked YOU anyway? You're one of them libertines ... you weren't invited to the debate.:lol:
     
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    CSM is one of the most fair posters I've seen. There are worse boards than this, by far. No one gets banned, but you are correct, many choose to find other venues, due to lack of substance on points. Most of the time it's an echo chamber, but was the other way earlier. So guess all's fair. Jillian is the only one I find to be here consistently and is willing to debate fairly, the rest of the left just shouts any disagreement down.
     
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    Just as bad money drive out good, so too do aggressively stupid and hostile people tend to drive off those whose interest is somewhat more intellectual, I think.

    It's not that they actually have DRIVE them off with hostile intent, so much as they BORE they off the board because they can't (or won't) engage in honest and intellectually stimulating discussions.

    If a poster's purpose here is simply to spew senseless venom, there's damned all that can be done about it UNLESS the board moderator simply kicks them off.

    But the problem with that is then, the board often becomes a reflection of that moderator's taste and sense of decorum.
     
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    Well, this is the nature of politics. It's probably why a lot of people refuse to discuss politics with friends, unless they're looking to trim their friend base down.

    I agree though, that the majority of the liberals here are whiners, with some exceptions. But the name-calling exists between both sides, and I'd have to say it's equal. Maybe the only difference being, that the righties call names while making their case, and the lefties just call names.

    Um, you?

    I've never even been to England, nor have I ever been in a rock band. You must have me confused with someone else.
     

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