Political Correctness

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    Political correctness is defined by wikipedia as:

    Political correctness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Out of nostalgia, I have just finished reading "Sisterhood is Powerful", a 1970 anthology of women's writing. It reminded me of certain phrases and advertising campaigns that once predominated the US landscape and would be met with derision now.

    It is very commonplace to attack political correctness -- the use of inclusive language and descriptors preferred by the group -- as having been silly and over-reaching, and some of that is fair, I think. But I also think that the change in social values that made it less acceptable to tell dirty jokes or use racial eptithets has benefitted all of us.

    What say you? Are we better off if a hateful person feels some social pressure to guard his tongue?
     
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    I'm just happy I can make fun of white Christian males and get away with it.
     
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    While you may have gotten the hateful person to guard his tongue, you have also created a situation where any space of personal interaction has its rules determined by the most easily offended person in said area. You got rid of the spearchucker jokes and bimbo references but also forced some guy to take down his sports illustrated Swimsuit Calendar and feel nervous when he glances at the new accountant with the nice rack (Fighting 1m years of evolution here)

    The evolution of our society from patriarchal to equality is inevitable and is nessasary for maximum evolution. Having half your population base banned de jure or de facto from portions of production and society is counter productive and immorral. Why do the new rules of workplace and public discourse have to be tailored to the most offended person? Where is the right to not be offended listed in our laws?

    Before anyone calls me sexist and such let me state, when it comes to true sexual harrasment I do not think it is a civil matter. I say it is a criminal matter. When you use your position to have sex with someone who isnt 100% willing its at a minimum extortion, and I wouldn't cry any tears to see the asshole up on rape charges. Make a physical pass at someone who wants nothing to do with you, call it assualt. But if your entire world shatters when you see a hooters girl calendar in my cubicle, Well I hate to use the term, but please grow a pair.
     
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    martybegan, intellectually I know you are right. I know that "hostile workplace" cases have sometimes taken on the sheen of the bizarre, and that some plaintiffs have abused them to bully co-workers. I'm just not sure how that should be remedied.

    Any ideas?

     
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    It is too bad that the term 'Political Correctness" has come to, in my opinion, to mean:

    ANYTHING that offends another. With that being said, it would seem that EVERYTHING, to someone somewhere, is offensive. When will we stop this insanity, and just communicate our thoughts in a truthful,(in one's opinion), comprehensive(in ones opinion) and respectful manner? All of the previous being determined of course by the reader or listener. Our minds seem to be always on the defensive, resulting in unreasonable, and sometimes chaotic responses to a given issue or event. In my opinion, of course. :lol:
     
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    So you see no value in socially shaming a person for language (most) of us agree is offensive, Gatekeeper?

    I do. I'm not sure it has had all the wondrous effects we were once promised, but it is nice to go to work etc. and not have to hear language that makes my skin crawl.

    Where I got kinda sorta annoyed was the physical disability folks. No one is "blind"; they are just "visually impaired" or "visually different". Or for pete's sake...Stevie Wonder is blind. This sort of thing got so out of hand, a friend of mine who teaches at a private school was counseled not to refer to a student's problem as "lying". Instead, she was to describe the child as "truth impaired".

    I wonder if it'll ever be possible to agree on social mores for language that prohibit truly hateful speech but leave open the possibility of stating the obvious in fewer than 6 syllables.
     
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    The "ideal gas law" remedy would to make law that prevents suing in those cases, but that type of law may stop actual cases of harasssment.

    The true solution requires people to not be so offended by things, and to "loosen up."
    But since that isn't likely to happen, what you need is things codified in such a way where an employer feels comfortable taking the side of the offender and not the offendee in cases where it is obviously not harrasment, but a case where the offendee is so anal they could be the winner of the "coal to diamond" award.

    Current practice and law makes it easier to punish the supposed offender regardless of if it is warranted or not.

    Taking the hooters calandar example. Having it in you cubicle, and having a co-worker commenting on the attractiveness of the people in it: Not harrasment. Taking said calandar and going over to a person who isnt interested and saying "CHECK OUT THE GAZZOMBAS ON MISS JULY", yeah thats harrasment.
     
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    I always find it funny that "conservatives" are against political correctness until something offensive is said about them or one of their pet groups.
     
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    Of course I do, how did you arrive at that conclusion? I guess I didn't communicate in an effective manner. I am for using plain language, no frills, telling it how it is without all the phony 'frosting' in comments, that some people in our society, and government have deemed, 'offensive' and declared those things to be 'politically incorrect'. PC=BS
     

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