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California "banned" plastic bags.
The businesses were all onboard, because all it meant for them is they charge 10 cents per bag, now.
It was all well and good, until a couple years later California passed another law that said , "send that bag money up to us for taxes"
At first, people tried to do what they were supposed to, they bought reusable bags and brought them to the store.
Now, the checkers scan the crap, and just stand there. You bring your own bag, now they want YOU to bag it. It was worth the 10 cents to put their ass back to work.
You buy bags at the store and they ask you "How many bags you want?"..."i don't fkn know"
The latest chapter is, you buy a plastic bag and they throw it with all the other crap you bought, and expect YOU to bag it yourself. They're trying to eliminate the bag-boy jobs.
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Last week I go to the store, and I swear, some woman walked out with a 2' x 2' x 3' plastic bin with all her sht in it.
I go into the store, buy a bunch of stuff, the girl at the counter tells me "sorry we don't have ANY bags today"
I said "Well, it looks like i'm walking out with your handcart then"
(I should have stole it)
...and the funny part, California's "plastic bag ban" means plastic bags are 10 cents each.
I can't tell you how much I miss going to the store with no bag issues
It's as stupid as the light bulb ban.
I changed every lightbulb in our 2-storey, 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house over to compact fluorescents, using coupons to reduce the cost. Our electricity use and our went down by 2/3, and in the 6 years we lived in that house after we switched, 2 bulbs had to be replaced.
Conservatives have to be beaten over the head with government regulation to make any forward progress.
I suppose that you're still pissed you can't drive your horse and buggy to work.
I'm not a big fan of compact florescents. They have a lot of small negatives, even if two big positives (lower power and longer life than incandescents). I started using LEDs about ten years ago, and have never needed to replace one. Current LEDs are nearly perfect in every way.
Yes, wanting to use incandescents is like wanting to use horse and buggy on the streets. It's stupid and the government rightly disfavors it. The Amish have a religious objection to cars, but not to LEDs. They won't hesitate to use an LED over an incandescent.
These people not wanting LEDs aren't conservatives, they're ignoramuses. They lack the capacity to appreciate the vast superiority of the LED and the total absence of any reason not use LEDs in most applications. They also ignore the cost to the general public of their "private" choice, such as pollution and higher electric rates.
These people take "Let the market decide" to a crass extreme. No one is being inconvenienced nor forced to violate sincerely held beliefs.
No it doesn't. The only obligation government has is to protect your natural rights. Anything else it does is tyranny.The government has an obligation to reasonably address such things as pollution. Whether or not a bag tax is right or wrong doesn't change the government's obligation. And, chants of "let the market decide" doesn't trump the government's obligation to do something when pollution is a problem.
Plastic does not last anywhere near as long as you think it does, I've seen milk jugs turn to dust in the UV in a year or two up here.I have found,that the majority of trash I dispose of is packaging. Milk jugs, bread wrappers, packaging from cookies to heads of lettuce.
Bringing home plastic bags that are used to take packaged groceries from the checkout line to the car and then to the pantry means bringing home even more packaging. Packaging that uses oil to produce, packaging that requires recycling at best, massive areas of landfill space at worst. And if those plastic bags wind up at the landfill, there they stay for the next ten thousand years before they degrade.
The earliest form of written human communication is called cuniform. Cuniform amounts to little symbolic scratched on wet clay. The clay gets dry and the symbols remain. It dates back some 4,500 years.
Why should a plastic bag that was used for less than thirty minutes last longer than cuniform?
Bury them. No UV light and an anerobic atmosphere and plastic is indestructible,Plastic does not last anywhere near as long as you think it does, I've seen milk jugs turn to dust in the UV in a year or two up here.I have found,that the majority of trash I dispose of is packaging. Milk jugs, bread wrappers, packaging from cookies to heads of lettuce.
Bringing home plastic bags that are used to take packaged groceries from the checkout line to the car and then to the pantry means bringing home even more packaging. Packaging that uses oil to produce, packaging that requires recycling at best, massive areas of landfill space at worst. And if those plastic bags wind up at the landfill, there they stay for the next ten thousand years before they degrade.
The earliest form of written human communication is called cuniform. Cuniform amounts to little symbolic scratched on wet clay. The clay gets dry and the symbols remain. It dates back some 4,500 years.
Why should a plastic bag that was used for less than thirty minutes last longer than cuniform?
What's wrong with everyone choosing the bags they want to use? And not getting taxed…I'd vote against them if it was up for a vote. It is against the poor that have to walk their stuff home and that is the way I grew up. It is wrong.
Paper bags break too easily and your stuff gets all over the street.
If we killed all the poor, then what would you do for excuses? Seriously, those ultra-light grocery bags are too weak to depend on them if you're walking any distance. I'd think the poor would be delighted to save money and bring their own sturdy bag to a store that doesn't give away "free bags" by increasing the price of the groceries.
Na, you been reading too many progressive fairytalesWhat's wrong with everyone choosing the bags they want to use? And not getting taxed…I'd vote against them if it was up for a vote. It is against the poor that have to walk their stuff home and that is the way I grew up. It is wrong.
Paper bags break too easily and your stuff gets all over the street.
If we killed all the poor, then what would you do for excuses? Seriously, those ultra-light grocery bags are too weak to depend on them if you're walking any distance. I'd think the poor would be delighted to save money and bring their own sturdy bag to a store that doesn't give away "free bags" by increasing the price of the groceries.
Because those plastic bags don't deteriorate or go back to the land. When your great great great great grandchildren are walking the earth, your plastic garbage bags will still be with us. There's a cost to get rid of them and if you're going to use them, you should pay that cost.
Na, you been reading too many progressive fairytalesWhat's wrong with everyone choosing the bags they want to use? And not getting taxed…I'd vote against them if it was up for a vote. It is against the poor that have to walk their stuff home and that is the way I grew up. It is wrong.
Paper bags break too easily and your stuff gets all over the street.
If we killed all the poor, then what would you do for excuses? Seriously, those ultra-light grocery bags are too weak to depend on them if you're walking any distance. I'd think the poor would be delighted to save money and bring their own sturdy bag to a store that doesn't give away "free bags" by increasing the price of the groceries.
Because those plastic bags don't deteriorate or go back to the land. When your great great great great grandchildren are walking the earth, your plastic garbage bags will still be with us. There's a cost to get rid of them and if you're going to use them, you should pay that cost.
In the Bay Area there are no bag issues. Our store clerks bag for you. I have had a collection of very hardy canvas bags with firm bottoms and they are great.California "banned" plastic bags.
The businesses were all onboard, because all it meant for them is they charge 10 cents per bag, now.
It was all well and good, until a couple years later California passed another law that said , "send that bag money up to us for taxes"
At first, people tried to do what they were supposed to, they bought reusable bags and brought them to the store.
Now, the checkers scan the crap, and just stand there. You bring your own bag, now they want YOU to bag it. It was worth the 10 cents to put their ass back to work.
You buy bags at the store and they ask you "How many bags you want?"..."i don't fkn know"
The latest chapter is, you buy a plastic bag and they throw it with all the other crap you bought, and expect YOU to bag it yourself. They're trying to eliminate the bag-boy jobs.
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Last week I go to the store, and I swear, some woman walked out with a 2' x 2' x 3' plastic bin with all her sht in it.
I go into the store, buy a bunch of stuff, the girl at the counter tells me "sorry we don't have ANY bags today"
I said "Well, it looks like i'm walking out with your handcart then"
(I should have stole it)
...and the funny part, California's "plastic bag ban" means plastic bags are 10 cents each.
I can't tell you how much I miss going to the store with no bag issues
Na, I spend just over $20 on a pack of 25. They only cost pennies a day to run... I have been doing it for 20+ years - it really cost next to nothing, harms nobody and is nobody else's business. LolNa, you been reading too many progressive fairytalesWhat's wrong with everyone choosing the bags they want to use? And not getting taxed…I'd vote against them if it was up for a vote. It is against the poor that have to walk their stuff home and that is the way I grew up. It is wrong.
Paper bags break too easily and your stuff gets all over the street.
If we killed all the poor, then what would you do for excuses? Seriously, those ultra-light grocery bags are too weak to depend on them if you're walking any distance. I'd think the poor would be delighted to save money and bring their own sturdy bag to a store that doesn't give away "free bags" by increasing the price of the groceries.
Because those plastic bags don't deteriorate or go back to the land. When your great great great great grandchildren are walking the earth, your plastic garbage bags will still be with us. There's a cost to get rid of them and if you're going to use them, you should pay that cost.
Your story that you continue to pay for incandescent bulbs which burn out quickly shows how short sighted you are. I moved into my apartment 2 years ago and changed over all of the lightbulbs to LED or CF's when I moved in. I haven't changed a lightbulb since. The CF light bulbs in the lamps I brought with me are more than nearly 10 years old - they're the ones I put in these lamps when I made the original change over back when I lived in Toronto.
During this same period you've spent hundreds of dollars replacing incandescents AND much higher rates for your electricity.
But hey. You're free to be a fool and waste your money.
You're way off, first of all the cost is minimal and really is no one else's business. You really need to stop being a control freak it makes you look like a fucking progressesive. LolI just read that use of LEDs has eliminated the need for the equivalent of 30 new power plants in the US. Any new power plant raises taxes or electric rates, and also pollution. So, everyone has to pay for the ignoramuses who refuse to go LED (hey 1ssholes, there's your libertarian argument for a tax on incandescent bulbs, to pay for the power plants they use, but I don't).
No one has an argument against LEDs in typical applications.
Wouldn't it be better if they get recycled and reused, melted down instead of thrown in the ocean or landfill?A lot of that debris is from plastic bottles, syringes, wasteful packaging and pretty much anything containing plastic. The polymers only get smaller over hundreds of years and never really degrade back to the environment.I don't know what to tell you. I use cloth bags all the time, and recycle plastic bags and bottles all the time. As a human being. I think of the so called "Gilligans Island" or the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.California "banned" plastic bags.
The businesses were all onboard, because all it meant for them is they charge 10 cents per bag, now.
It was all well and good, until a couple years later California passed another law that said , "send that bag money up to us for taxes"
At first, people tried to do what they were supposed to, they bought reusable bags and brought them to the store.
Now, the checkers scan the crap, and just stand there. You bring your own bag, now they want YOU to bag it. It was worth the 10 cents to put their ass back to work.
You buy bags at the store and they ask you "How many bags you want?"..."i don't fkn know"
The latest chapter is, you buy a plastic bag and they throw it with all the other crap you bought, and expect YOU to bag it yourself. They're trying to eliminate the bag-boy jobs.
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Last week I go to the store, and I swear, some woman walked out with a 2' x 2' x 3' plastic bin with all her sht in it.
I go into the store, buy a bunch of stuff, the girl at the counter tells me "sorry we don't have ANY bags today"
I said "Well, it looks like i'm walking out with your handcart then"
(I should have stole it)
...and the funny part, California's "plastic bag ban" means plastic bags are 10 cents each.
I can't tell you how much I miss going to the store with no bag issues
Banning a degradable product such as paper which also recycles easily really makes no sense as even the reusable bags use modern toxic processes to create it.
And where does it eventually end up? The landfill or that ocean mass.
In the U.S. industry moves, mines, extracts, shovels, burns, wastes, pumps and disposes of 4 million pounds of material in order to provide one average middle-class American family's needs for one year. In sum, Americans waste or cause to be wasted nearly 1 million pounds of materials per person every year.Wouldn't it be better if they get recycled and reused, melted down instead of thrown in the ocean or landfill?A lot of that debris is from plastic bottles, syringes, wasteful packaging and pretty much anything containing plastic. The polymers only get smaller over hundreds of years and never really degrade back to the environment.I don't know what to tell you. I use cloth bags all the time, and recycle plastic bags and bottles all the time. As a human being. I think of the so called "Gilligans Island" or the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.California "banned" plastic bags.
The businesses were all onboard, because all it meant for them is they charge 10 cents per bag, now.
It was all well and good, until a couple years later California passed another law that said , "send that bag money up to us for taxes"
At first, people tried to do what they were supposed to, they bought reusable bags and brought them to the store.
Now, the checkers scan the crap, and just stand there. You bring your own bag, now they want YOU to bag it. It was worth the 10 cents to put their ass back to work.
You buy bags at the store and they ask you "How many bags you want?"..."i don't fkn know"
The latest chapter is, you buy a plastic bag and they throw it with all the other crap you bought, and expect YOU to bag it yourself. They're trying to eliminate the bag-boy jobs.
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Last week I go to the store, and I swear, some woman walked out with a 2' x 2' x 3' plastic bin with all her sht in it.
I go into the store, buy a bunch of stuff, the girl at the counter tells me "sorry we don't have ANY bags today"
I said "Well, it looks like i'm walking out with your handcart then"
(I should have stole it)
...and the funny part, California's "plastic bag ban" means plastic bags are 10 cents each.
I can't tell you how much I miss going to the store with no bag issues
Banning a degradable product such as paper which also recycles easily really makes no sense as even the reusable bags use modern toxic processes to create it.
And where does it eventually end up? The landfill or that ocean mass.
You're way off, first of all the cost is minimal and really is no one else's business. You really need to stop being a control freak it makes you look like a fucking progressesive. Lol
