Physics and why LWIR can not warm oceans... Info for a Clueless Senator Markey and alarmists..

[Crick]

All cause and effect relationships show some form of correlation

Not all correlations indicate a cause and effect relationship

If you have an effect and are looking for a cause, you WILL find it among the correlations.

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THEIR SOURCE CERTAINLY HAS A TEMPERATURE

 

[jc456]

All cause and effect relationships show some form of correlation

Not all correlations indicate a cause and effect relationship

If you have an effect and are looking for a cause, you WILL find it among the correlations.

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THEIR SOURCE CERTAINLY HAS A TEMPERATURE

But my friend, the earth warms and CO2 in the atmosphere goes up, are purely correlation. You can't prove causal anything with CO2 going up causing warming. And you haven't since this forums been up

 

[Crick]

I'm sorry JC, you simply aren't worth the bother. Anyone trying to talk with you spends all their time correcting mistakes you shouldn't have made in the first place. I'm putting you back on ignore.

 

[jc456]

I'm sorry JC, you simply aren't worth the bother. Anyone trying to talk with you spends all their time correcting mistakes you shouldn't have made in the first place. I'm putting you back on ignore.

Thanks I see you still lose debates. You should really learn how. You're terrible

 

[SSDD]

Their source certainly has a temperature.

Hunting for another bob and weave?

You are dodging...are you saying that radio waves have a temperature? You seemed to be saying it but now it appears that you lack the courage of your conviction. Typical.

 

[SSDD]

Corrrelation? You seem to be in the wrong thread; else you are speaking from a deeper than usual ignorance.

Well the thread is about lwir and you're discussing CMB. Why?

Crick seems to be on the cusp of claiming that radio waves have a temperature.....

 

[Crick]

Their source certainly has a temperature.

Hunting for another bob and weave?

You are dodging...are you saying that radio waves have a temperature? You seemed to be saying it but now it appears that you lack the courage of your conviction. Typical.

Yo, asshole, can you not read?

The source of the CMB has a temperature. It radiated the CMB in all directions, including towards the 300K horn antenna with which Wilson and Penzias detected it. Your contention that cold cannot radiate towards warm is thrown in the trash where it belongs.

 

[Old Rocks]

All cause and effect relationships show some form of correlation

Not all correlations indicate a cause and effect relationship

If you have an effect and are looking for a cause, you WILL find it among the correlations.

***********************************************************************************************

THEIR SOURCE CERTAINLY HAS A TEMPERATURE

But my friend, the earth warms and CO2 in the atmosphere goes up, are purely correlation. You can't prove causal anything with CO2 going up causing warming. And you haven't since this forums been up

And all the physicists in the world say that you are completely full of shit, jc.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[SSDD]

Yo, asshole, can you not read?

The source of the CMB has a temperature. It radiated the CMB in all directions, including towards the 300K horn antenna with which Wilson and Penzias detected it. Your contention that cold cannot radiate towards warm is thrown in the trash where it belongs.

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You seem to be the one who can't read crick...or understand even the basics....CMB itself, the actual radiation of CMB was not detected...a resonant radio frequency was detected....and then via a mathematical model, the existence of CMB was determined....The horn antenna was just receiving radio waves....radio waves don't care about temperature...they care about frequency....

 

[SSDD]

All cause and effect relationships show some form of correlation

Not all correlations indicate a cause and effect relationship

If you have an effect and are looking for a cause, you WILL find it among the correlations.

***********************************************************************************************

THEIR SOURCE CERTAINLY HAS A TEMPERATURE

But my friend, the earth warms and CO2 in the atmosphere goes up, are purely correlation. You can't prove causal anything with CO2 going up causing warming. And you haven't since this forums been up

And all the physicists in the world say that you are completely full of shit, jc.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

Where is the hard empirical evidence in that bit of religious dogma that you keep posting that proves that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere will cause warming....you keep waving that piece around like a Bible thumper waves his book....what sort of hard evidence for anything is in there that has convinced you that the AGW hypothesis is correct?...or are you just ashamed to admit that you are operating from a position of faith?

 

[Crick]

Yo, asshole, can you not read?

The source of the CMB has a temperature. It radiated the CMB in all directions, including towards the 300K horn antenna with which Wilson and Penzias detected it. Your contention that cold cannot radiate towards warm is thrown in the trash where it belongs.

You seem to be the one who can't read crick...or understand even the basics....CMB itself, the actual radiation of CMB was not detected...a resonant radio frequency was detected....and then via a mathematical model, the existence of CMB was determined....The horn antenna was just receiving radio waves....radio waves don't care about temperature...they care about frequency....

You've got no choice but to lie, do you.

The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is the thermal radiation left over from the time of recombination in Big Bang cosmology. In older literature, the CMB is also variously known as cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR) or "relic radiation." The CMB is a cosmic background radiation that is fundamental to observational cosmology because it is the oldest light in the universe, dating to the epoch of recombination. With a traditional optical telescope, the space between stars and galaxies (thebackground) is completely dark. However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope shows a faint background glow, almost exactly the same in all directions, that is not associated with any star, galaxy, or other object. This glow is strongest in the microwave region of the radio spectrum. The accidental discovery of CMB in 1964 by American radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson[1][2]was the culmination of work initiated in the 1940s, and earned the discoverers the 1978 Nobel Prize.

The original radiation was infrared. Massive Doppler shifting from the expansion of the universe stretched the wavelength to the microwave band A RADIO FREQUENCY THAT THE PHONE COMPANY USES FOR OVER-LAND COMMUNICATION. It was detected DIRECTLY, by a microwave receiver, not as a harmonic. Your use of the term "resonance" here is an obvious and pathetic attempt at techno-babble.

However, none of that matters. Everything we are talking about here is electromagnetic radiation. It is ALL subject to the laws of thermodynamics. Your ignorant contention that cold cannot radiate to hot, would apply to all of it and the detection of the CMB via a 300K horn PROVES you have the intellect of a four year old and the ethics of a dog.

 

[Crick]

From A Measurement of Excess Antenna Temperature at 4080 Mc/s.

Here is Penzias and Wilson's first report of the excess noise they had found (at 4.08 GHz). THEY seem to think it has a temperature.

Title:
A Measurement of Excess Antenna Temperature at 4080 Mc/s.
Authors:
Penzias, A. A.; Wilson, R. W.
Affiliation:
AA(Bell Telephone Laboratories Inc.), AB(Bell Telephone Laboratories Inc.)
Publication:
Astrophysical Journal, vol. 142, p.419-421 (ApJ Homepage)
Publication Date:
07/1965
Origin:
ADS
Astronomy Keywords:
Microwave Background, Cosmic Background Radiation
DOI:
10.1086/148307
Bibliographic Code:
1965ApJ...142..419P
Abstract
Measurements of the effective zenith noise temperature of the 20-foot horn-reflector antenna (Crawford, Hogg, and Hunt 1961) at the Crawford Hill Laboratory, Holmdel, New Jersey, at 4080 Mc/s have yielded a value of about 3.5 K higher than expected. This excess temperature is, within the limits of our observations, isotropic, unpolarized, and free from seasonal variations (July, 1964 - April, 1965). A possible explanation for the observed excess noise temperature is the one given by Dicke, Peebles, Roll, and Wilkinson (1965) in a companion letter in this issue.

 

[Wuwei]

You seem to be the one who can't read crick...or understand even the basics....CMB itself, the actual radiation of CMB was not detected...a resonant radio frequency was detected....and then via a mathematical model, the existence of CMB was determined....The horn antenna was just receiving radio waves....radio waves don't care about temperature...they care about frequency....

The antenna was receiving low temperature thermal radiation that came from a thermal source with a black body spectrum.

The maser type detectors sample the BB radiation spectrum, that means the antenna received black body radiation. Later bolometer instruments directly measured the heat reflected from an antenna that came from the CMB. The CMB thermal radiation had to hit the warm antenna before it hit the cold bolometer. It is a very simple example of cold thermal radiation going through a warm atmosphere, and hitting a warm antenna.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You seem to be the one who can't read crick...or understand even the basics....CMB itself, the actual radiation of CMB was not detected...a resonant radio frequency was detected....and then via a mathematical model, the existence of CMB was determined....The horn antenna was just receiving radio waves....radio waves don't care about temperature...they care about frequency....

The antenna was receiving low temperature thermal radiation that came from a thermal source with a black body spectrum.

The maser type detectors sample the BB radiation spectrum, that means the antenna received black body radiation. Later bolometer instruments directly measured the heat reflected from an antenna that came from the CMB. The CMB thermal radiation had to hit the warm antenna before it hit the cold bolometer. It is a very simple example of cold thermal radiation going through a warm atmosphere, and hitting a warm antenna.

If that's how it works why do they bother to cool down the receiver? Can't they just point it out to space and get it to read absolute zero?

 

[Wuwei]

If that's how it works why do they bother to cool down the receiver? Can't they just point it out to space and get it to read absolute zero?

All electronics has what is called "shot noise" which is minimized by cooling.

You get garbage without a focusing antenna. For the same reason, that is why your camera has a lens.

 

[IanC]

hey SSDD....the CBR started off as much more energetic radiation from a hot source. only the expansion of space has sapped its energy.

so....does the earthbound receptor consider the low energy photon as coming from a hot source??? hahahahaha

 

[Crick]

More magic required

 

[Wuwei]

hey SSDD....the CBR started off as much more energetic radiation from a hot source. only the expansion of space has sapped its energy.

so....does the earthbound receptor consider the low energy photon as coming from a hot source??? hahahahaha

Hey don't confuse the guy. He's muddled enough.

 

[jc456]

All cause and effect relationships show some form of correlation

Not all correlations indicate a cause and effect relationship

If you have an effect and are looking for a cause, you WILL find it among the correlations.

***********************************************************************************************

THEIR SOURCE CERTAINLY HAS A TEMPERATURE

But my friend, the earth warms and CO2 in the atmosphere goes up, are purely correlation. You can't prove causal anything with CO2 going up causing warming. And you haven't since this forums been up

And all the physicists in the world say that you are completely full of shit, jc.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

Ahh Herr Koch again. Thanks for the reminder you still haven't provided us with the correction experiment, you know to invalidate that one he so nicely performed.

CO2 what?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

From A Measurement of Excess Antenna Temperature at 4080 Mc/s.

Here is Penzias and Wilson's first report of the excess noise they had found (at 4.08 GHz). THEY seem to think it has a temperature.

Title:
A Measurement of Excess Antenna Temperature at 4080 Mc/s.
Authors:
Penzias, A. A.; Wilson, R. W.
Affiliation:
AA(Bell Telephone Laboratories Inc.), AB(Bell Telephone Laboratories Inc.)
Publication:
Astrophysical Journal, vol. 142, p.419-421 (ApJ Homepage)
Publication Date:
07/1965
Origin:
ADS
Astronomy Keywords:
Microwave Background, Cosmic Background Radiation
DOI:
10.1086/148307
Bibliographic Code:
1965ApJ...142..419P
Abstract
Measurements of the effective zenith noise temperature of the 20-foot horn-reflector antenna (Crawford, Hogg, and Hunt 1961) at the Crawford Hill Laboratory, Holmdel, New Jersey, at 4080 Mc/s have yielded a value of about 3.5 K higher than expected. This excess temperature is, within the limits of our observations, isotropic, unpolarized, and free from seasonal variations (July, 1964 - April, 1965). A possible explanation for the observed excess noise temperature is the one given by Dicke, Peebles, Roll, and Wilkinson (1965) in a companion letter in this issue.

4.08 GHz has a temperature? 104.3 has a FEVAH!!!!

how does a radio wave have a temperature?????????