People who don't believe in climate change, why don't you believe in it?

[Marxist]

PS Donald.........here ya go.....a very sobering account of going inside of a progressive activist meeting >>>



When you use public policy........via environmentalism..............subverts traditional America. These people hate freedom.

WENDY WRIGHT????? This fucking nut?

 

[asterism]

What additional government, what lessened freedoms do you believe leftists are suggesting here?

The IPCC reports are riddled with unscientific opinion pieces produced by NGO's who get their funding based on the government grants that these "reports" generate. The IPCC stopped being a credible source years ago.

The NAS confirms AGW:

America s Climate Choices Final Report Climate Change at the National Academies

So does an independent study funded by skeptics:

Bombshell Koch-Funded Study Finds Global Warming Is Real On The High End And Essentially All Due To Carbon Pollution ThinkProgress

No, they don't. The BEST study used the same Mann derived data that has been shown to be false. Further the statement that Muller was a sceptic who changed his mind is an outright lie. Muller has been an ardent AGW supporter for decades. In fact he is the owner of a "sustainability" company based in Berkely.

Anytime someone starts a news story with a provable lie you should be checking your wallet.

BEST used data from multiple sources:

Berkeley Earth

The BEST study used data that had already been manipulated.

None of the files used in the source files were raw untouched data. They are TMAX, TMIN, and TAVG. Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Billy_Bob]

There is no pause. That's a kook denier invention. There was a slight decrease in the rate of air warming as the oceans absorbed more heat, but the overall rate of planetary warming hasn't slowed down a bit.

Does this look like a pause? If anyone sees a pause here, they're either too stupid or too crazy to be bothering the grownups.

Too funny... altered data and no attribution to data set and who is the author..

 

[skookerasbil]

PS Donald.........here ya go.....a very sobering account of going inside of a progressive activist meeting >>>



When you use public policy........via environmentalism..............subverts traditional America. These people hate freedom.

WENDY WRIGHT????? This fucking nut?

See what I mean Donald..........if you disagree, you're an automatic nut. If these people could, they burn all the information that doesn't conform with their perspective. That's how uber-progressives operate........the same ones by the way who are out front and center pounding the perpetual drum of the established AGW narrative. You might end up agreeing with them......but its important to be fully informed imo.......

 

[Marxist]

PS Donald.........here ya go.....a very sobering account of going inside of a progressive activist meeting >>>



When you use public policy........via environmentalism..............subverts traditional America. These people hate freedom.

WENDY WRIGHT????? This fucking nut?

See what I mean Donald..........if you disagree, you're an automatic nut. If these people could, they burn all the information that doesn't conform with their perspective. That's how uber-progressives operate........the same ones by the way who are out front and center pounding the perpetual drum of the established AGW narrative. You might end up agreeing with them......but its important to be fully informed imo.......

No, seriously, wendy wright and everyone in that video is a certified nutjob.

 

[skookerasbil]

Actually Donald.....my bad......I posted up the wrong vid. I don't even know who the hell Wendy Wright is............

This is the vid I meant to post up...........

MOST IMPORTANT MOVIE ON AMERICA EVER. PERIOD. - Agenda Grinding America Down - YouTube


Its all about the strategy of promoting cultural Marxism.

 

[Marxist]

Actually Donald.....my bad......I posted up the wrong vid. I don't even know who the hell Wendy Wright is............

This is the vid I meant to post up...........

That's the video, and it's insane, LOL.

 

[skookerasbil]

Also a fascinating listen Donald..........



This is stuff you never hear about but really helps you connect the dots on what has been going on a warp speed since about the year 2000..................

Oh......and Alan Watt is apolitical.........he points a finger at both Bush and Obama!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Actually Donald.....my bad......I posted up the wrong vid. I don't even know who the hell Wendy Wright is............

This is the vid I meant to post up...........

That's the video, and it's insane, LOL.

Its not the vid......what a fag.

The link just above is "The Grinding Down of America".......a man is the narrator, now a woman.

 

[Marxist]

Actually Donald.....my bad......I posted up the wrong vid. I don't even know who the hell Wendy Wright is............

This is the vid I meant to post up...........

That's the video, and it's insane, LOL.

Its not the vid......what a fag.

The link just above is "The Grinding Down of America".......a man is the narrator, now a woman.

Still the usual psychotic denier non-sense.

 

[skookerasbil]

Donald...........massive bureaucracies have been emerging in the past 15 years. Almost the entire population doesn't know whats going on!! Environmentalism is part of the mind numbing process.........never has had anything to do with a warming world.

 

[skookerasbil]

People like "Marxist" are deep, deep in the matrix. A college aged asshole who read too much More, Plato, Hobbes, Engels and Marx et. al.............its fascinating shit to read in college and you realize how laughable it is ( utopian societies ) as you get older.............unless, of course, you bury yourself in the matrix for life.

 

[Ernie S.]

When I point out how nutty conspiracy theories are literally all the deniers conspiracy cult has now, it would probably be best for the deniers to not all stampede to confirm that point.

Is the earth getting warmer?. No, it isn't. Is it gettinbg cooler? Not by a lot. So, tell me. What IS happening?

The earth is getting a lot warmer, quickly., Only the most severely brainwashed cult fanatics still try to deny it. Only the clinically insane will say it's cooling.

Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

That's laughable bullshit, because all the data says so. A crank at Forbes pretending otherwise just means a crank at Forbes pretended otherwise.

The "natural cycles" theories do not explain the stratospheric cooling, the decrease it outgoing longwave, or the increase in backradiation. Therefore, all such theories are dead wrong. It really is that simple. When the facts contradict your fantasy, it means your fantasy is wrong.

In contrast, AGW theory does explain all those things. Since AGW theory is the only theory that explains all the observed data, it is the accepted theory.

Denier cultists, there is no socialist conspiracy. You're just a pack of morons babbling idiot pseudoscience.

None of your computer models or fudged data explains temperatures dropping for the last 8 or 10 years.

Scream VERY loudly! Call me "denier". "skeptic" or "cultist". Someone may still buy is, but most sane people have read about failed predictions. They have seen the emails outlining strategy and acknowledging deceit. Only the most dedicated socialists are buying it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no pause. That's a kook denier invention. There was a slight decrease in the rate of air warming as the oceans absorbed more heat, but the overall rate of planetary warming hasn't slowed down a bit.

Does this look like a pause? If anyone sees a pause here, they're either too stupid or too crazy to be bothering the grownups.

There was a slight decrease in the rate of air warming as the oceans absorbed more heat

Sounds serious! What was the increase in ocean temperature? Was it measurable?

 

[Ernie S.]

Well, no, but that's because it takes more heat to increase water temperature.....

 

[ralfy]

Is the earth getting warmer?. No, it isn't. Is it gettinbg cooler? Not by a lot. So, tell me. What IS happening?

Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

Surface temperature anomalies have been rising, and even studies funded by skeptics have shown that.

Given that, what is happening is the forcing factor on carbon emissions on multiple feedbacks that are part of natural variation.

 

[ralfy]

When I point out how nutty conspiracy theories are literally all the deniers conspiracy cult has now, it would probably be best for the deniers to not all stampede to confirm that point.

Is the earth getting warmer?. No, it isn't. Is it gettinbg cooler? Not by a lot. So, tell me. What IS happening?

The earth is getting a lot warmer, quickly., Only the most severely brainwashed cult fanatics still try to deny it. Only the clinically insane will say it's cooling.

Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

That's laughable bullshit, because all the data says so. A crank at Forbes pretending otherwise just means a crank at Forbes pretended otherwise.

The "natural cycles" theories do not explain the stratospheric cooling, the decrease it outgoing longwave, or the increase in backradiation. Therefore, all such theories are dead wrong. It really is that simple. When the facts contradict your fantasy, it means your fantasy is wrong.

In contrast, AGW theory does explain all those things. Since AGW theory is the only theory that explains all the observed data, it is the accepted theory.

Denier cultists, there is no socialist conspiracy. You're just a pack of morons babbling idiot pseudoscience.

The earth is getting a lot warmer, quickly.,

LOL! Which obviously explains the switch from Global Warming to Climate Change.

Since AGW theory is the only theory that explains all the observed data, it is the accepted theory.

How does that theory explain the recent pause?

Global warming refers to a global increase in surface temperature anomalies while climate changes refers to that other feedbacks.

 

[ralfy]

So he's "special."

In that he's the president of the United States and a great deal more people listen to him and give him more credence than to the average Joe or Jane, yes, he's special.

That's the silly part of the carbon control solution, none of the people preaching about it are subject to those rules. Rules are for little people.

Did Obama suggest to people that they stop flying planes?

Obama suggested that we cut our carbon emissions. He didn't show how he has done so.

BTW, a modern jet liner uses approximately one-third the fuel as would it's passengers, seated two per car, in autos getting 28 mpg, covering the same distance.

I don't think you can back that up with any sort of facts, but are you suggesting that Obama's trip to the Everglades was negligible?

I think it's bad to dump gasoline in our lakes. I don't dump gasoline in our lakes while convincing everyone else to stop doing it. Importing invasive plant species is bad for our lakes. I don't import them while I convince others not to.

Excellent. But you'd have to admit that neither has anything to do with global warming.

Obama's speech would have had much more impact if he did what he says everyone else should do.

We might make more progress against global warming, if more people dealt with reality and made less use of their emotional baggage.

We'd make more progress in solving actual problems if they weren't so politicized, and we'd make way more progress in solving actual problems if those advocating in favor of solutions practiced what they preached.

The reason why they are politicized is because the government is essentially dependent on tax revenues from businesses as well as greater economic activity, and that in turn means more energy and material resource use.

Another problem is that the economy relied upon is free market capitalist, which means it requires continuous economic growth.

That is why the only thing that governments worldwide can do is make token cuts in emission increases.

 

[ralfy]

What additional government, what lessened freedoms do you believe leftists are suggesting here?

The IPCC reports are riddled with unscientific opinion pieces produced by NGO's who get their funding based on the government grants that these "reports" generate. The IPCC stopped being a credible source years ago.

The NAS confirms AGW:

America s Climate Choices Final Report Climate Change at the National Academies

So does an independent study funded by skeptics:

Bombshell Koch-Funded Study Finds Global Warming Is Real On The High End And Essentially All Due To Carbon Pollution ThinkProgress

No, they don't. The BEST study used the same Mann derived data that has been shown to be false. Further the statement that Muller was a sceptic who changed his mind is an outright lie. Muller has been an ardent AGW supporter for decades. In fact he is the owner of a "sustainability" company based in Berkely.

Anytime someone starts a news story with a provable lie you should be checking your wallet.

BEST used data from multiple sources:

Berkeley Earth

The BEST study used data that had already been manipulated.

None of the files used in the source files were raw untouched data. They are TMAX, TMIN, and TAVG. Garbage in, garbage out.

Any evidence you can provide of manipulation is helpful, as well as any peer-reviewed studies from multiple scientists on a scale equivalent to that of the NAS to counter AGW.

For now, skeptics have BEST.

 

[ralfy]

When I point out how nutty conspiracy theories are literally all the deniers conspiracy cult has now, it would probably be best for the deniers to not all stampede to confirm that point.

Is the earth getting warmer?. No, it isn't. Is it gettinbg cooler? Not by a lot. So, tell me. What IS happening?

The earth is getting a lot warmer, quickly., Only the most severely brainwashed cult fanatics still try to deny it. Only the clinically insane will say it's cooling.

Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.

That's laughable bullshit, because all the data says so. A crank at Forbes pretending otherwise just means a crank at Forbes pretended otherwise.

The "natural cycles" theories do not explain the stratospheric cooling, the decrease it outgoing longwave, or the increase in backradiation. Therefore, all such theories are dead wrong. It really is that simple. When the facts contradict your fantasy, it means your fantasy is wrong.

In contrast, AGW theory does explain all those things. Since AGW theory is the only theory that explains all the observed data, it is the accepted theory.

Denier cultists, there is no socialist conspiracy. You're just a pack of morons babbling idiot pseudoscience.

None of your computer models or fudged data explains temperatures dropping for the last 8 or 10 years.

Scream VERY loudly! Call me "denier". "skeptic" or "cultist". Someone may still buy is, but most sane people have read about failed predictions. They have seen the emails outlining strategy and acknowledging deceit. Only the most dedicated socialists are buying it.

They shouldn't because models look at multi-decade trends using mathematical formulae. Thus, surface temperature anomalies can go up and down during each decade, and sometimes even year-to-year, but the long-term trend lines still go upward.