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So not wanting to be crushed by the most brutal and inhumane great power since nazi germany is “boneheaded?”The real problem is that China sees Taiwan's continued independence as just another example of outsiders fucking with their territorial integrity. If Taiwan did something boneheadly stupid like declared independence, they'd get invaded.
It helps that the CCP owns the BidensI think that is a little optimistic. I suspect that the date is actually, right now.
US would lose a war with China fought in the Pacific, sources warn
'Eye-opening' Pentagon war games have revealed the US is vulnerable to China and that an attack from the superpower would lead to the US 'suffering capital losses', sources told The Times.www.dailymail.co.uk
Part of the problem is that the Navy, and actually the entire Military, suffers from multiple personality disorder. A decade ago it was decided that we had no more use for Frigates. Those small ships that were too small to really operate on their own and were not large enough to project force from the sea inland at all. So all the Frigates were decommissioned. Those little ships are valuable escorts however. They provide a ring of defense around any task force. By getting rid of them, you denude your defensive capability dramatically. It is one less defensive ring to deal with.
The Navy recently realized the enormity of their mistake. They don’t have any Frigates on the drawing board that they can start construction with, and starting from scratch would take years to even begin. So the Navy has just announced that they will be buying Frigates from Italy.
Navy's New Frigate Will Be Based on Italian Ship With 'Officer-Quality' Staterooms
The frigate is an important part of the Navy's plan to position itself for future fights.www.military.com
Now the We’re Awesome crowd will scream murder about the awesome F-22 and F-35’s. But what they don’t understand is that quantity is a quality all it’s own. And the quality is able to be matched. In time, surpassed. But as I tried to point out during the early days of the Syrian Misadventure, the Russians and Chinese answer is missiles. A lot of them.
People downplay the Russian answer because it is different than our own. But let’s say you can intercept twenty missiles. What do you do if the enemy shoots 21 at you? Eventually the number of missiles inbound will overwhelm and swamp your defenses. Some are going to get through if the enemy shoots enough of them at you. Then your multiple billion dollar carrier is a new addition to the Bottom of the Ocean.
The only way to do it is sink the enemy ships before they sink yours. But here again, we have a disadvantage. Even Submarines have a limited number of shots on board. And every time they fire, they let the enemy know they are there, and even the stealthiest submarine can be located if the enemy is looking hard enough, and let’s be honest, they’ll be looking awfully hard won’t they?
Quantity has a Quality all it’s own.
The Chinese army has more troops than we have ammunition. They have millions of troops, and infinite space to absorb attacks. They would be close to their lines of supply, and we would be far from ours. Our supply lines would be stretched to the breaking point in days, or a couple weeks maximum. It would take years to build the military we needed to return to the Status Quo Ante, and to defeat China? That would be virtually impossible.
Yes, we have nukes. And they have nukes, and we can turn the Chinese Cities into parking lots that glow in the dark. But what then? They’ll return the favor, turning many of our cities into similar scenes of destruction. We can’t turn the entire country of China into radioactive cinders. And even if we could we would be pariahs in the International World, alone without friends.
So what can we do? First, we can honestly admit that we are vulnerable. Before you can fix the problem, you have to identify it. Second, we can start a realistic examination of our Military from top to bottom. What do we need to do to protect our interests in the real world, instead of the easy one where we always win the war games? Third, we can start realistically examining our military technology. We are getting rid of hundreds of airplanes right now so we can afford a few more F-35’s. Yes, it may be an awesome plane, but if we have too few of them to do the job, what good is it to have a single awesome plane?
We got into this mess sacrificing old but good technology for awesome new. To save money. The Navy has no Fleet Interceptors to replace the decommissioned F-14’s. We got rid of the best Interceptor we ever had, because we could get everyone into one kind of plane, the F/A 18, and then declare it was obsolete so we could buy the F-35.
We abandoned the “unrealistic” scenario of having a Military that could fight two and a half wars. Now we have one that could not really fight even one war. Oh they can bomb the living crap out of some backwards Jihadi in the middle of the Desert. They can do that just fine, but they do not train to fight overwhelming odds, they don’t train and equip to fight enemies who are comparatively equal in training and equipment. They train to fight insurgents and religious nutters. Always with an overwhelming advantage of technology and information.
I doubt we could beat Iran in a stand up fight in all honesty. War Games have been denuded to the enemy doing exactly what you would want them to. If our ships can intercept twenty missiles, the notional enemy obligingly sends ten in the war game. If our troops are capable of fighting numerically inferior troops equipped with a hodgepodge of technology and weapons, the enemy obligingly puts underquipped and ill trained troops in the field, for our war games anyway.
We need to wake up, and we need to realize that just because we scream we’re number one, doesn’t mean we are. We need to realize that the enemy is unlikely to oblige your plans and stand stoically still and let you kill them. They are unlikely to surrender control of the air and sea without costing us a lot in the process, and even then it would be contested.
Wake up folks, or in ten years, we will see America’s military hugging the coast, afraid to venture out into the deep blue ocean because there be Dragons out there.
The pentagon is like Bezos. A greedy ruthless billionaire. They just can’t get enough stolen money.I see that the Pentagon want more funds in order for them to takeover this country.
these people knows how to play you all like a rag doll.
I wonder which one of you guys is going to buy the condoms for them to screw us all with?
Pentagon official leading military extremism crackdown said Trump supporters are extremists
The Pentagon official tasked with leading efforts to crack down on extremist views among military servicemembers once asserted that supporters of former President Donald Trump were also supporters of racism, misogyny and extremism.www.foxnews.com
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The way to beat China is actually quite simple: an Ohio-class submarine <100 miles off Shanghai and a Trident missile.
I see Beijing is watching this boardROFLMAO!we might already lost to china with technology. There technology infrastructure is rapidly advancing then ours technology infrastructure.
I’m sorry that our chips cost a little more to make
American workers do not want to work 12 hours a day and live in squalor
So what if your cell phone costs a little more?
In the long run every American is better off
So not wanting to be crushed by the most brutal and inhumane great power since nazi germany is “boneheaded?”
As for the issue of outsiders, thats exactly what the people of Taiwan want to be
Outside and away from the CCP
you can rationalize Chinese aggression to yourself just as the world made excuses for hitler
But in the end it still comes around to your own doorstep whether you like it or not
Oh?I’m sorry that our chips cost a little more to make
American workers do not want to work 12 hours a day and live in squalor
So what if your cell phone costs a little more?
In the long run every American is better off
Americans don't live in squalor because chips are cheap.
Americans are losing their middle class lifestyle because the rich are too fucking greedy.
Because communist china is our enemy and democratic Taiwan is our moral and political friend/allySo not wanting to be crushed by the most brutal and inhumane great power since nazi germany is “boneheaded?”
As for the issue of outsiders, thats exactly what the people of Taiwan want to be
Outside and away from the CCP
you can rationalize Chinese aggression to yourself just as the world made excuses for hitler
But in the end it still comes around to your own doorstep whether you like it or not
Not at all.
Who live on Taiwan. Chinese people
Who lives in China. Chinese people.
So why is a fight between Chinese people any of our business?
Because communist china is our enemy and democratic Taiwan is our moral and political friend/ally
Because mainland China has neutered all the people of our nation who disagree with them. Ask Lebron and the sports players and the Hollywood people affected and others. And they speak to us on their political soapboxes. They have no idea how the deplorable lives and is the backbone of American survival.So not wanting to be crushed by the most brutal and inhumane great power since nazi germany is “boneheaded?”
As for the issue of outsiders, thats exactly what the people of Taiwan want to be
Outside and away from the CCP
you can rationalize Chinese aggression to yourself just as the world made excuses for hitler
But in the end it still comes around to your own doorstep whether you like it or not
Not at all.
Who live on Taiwan. Chinese people
Who lives in China. Chinese people.
So why is a fight between Chinese people any of our business?
Here we are parting ways. If we stand for anything it is self determination. And Taiwan has a functioning Government that is elected by the people in a free election. Moreover we have an understanding to defend them if attacked.
Well, shame on us. It's a stupid thing to fight a war over.
you have to contexualize Taiwan in the context of Chinese History. From the first Opium War until the Communist Revolution, China underwent the "Century of Humiliation", where outside powers came in and had their way with it. They exploited China for its goods and resources and stole their territory, which is why China went from this.
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So what we see as "aggression" towards Taiwan or Tibet or Hong Kong or the Uyghurs, the Chinese see as restoring their territorial integrity.
But let’s be practical instead of principled. If we don’t defend Taiwan to the utmost we have to basically serve up Asia on a platter for China.
If we don’t fight for Taiwan do we fight for Korea? Isn’t unification an internal matter?
Do we fight for any other nation?
Eventually we will decide we have to fight. And that will lead to us using Nukes. There won’t be an option to remain conventional.
But wouldn't any fight lead to nukes? Do you think that if we step into a fight between Taiwan and China that the Chinese will refrain from using nukes?
If we don’t stand up to defend Taiwan than the Chinese will never believe we will stand with our allies over the Spratley Islands.
If we back down there then everyone will know our support is nonexistent. So what happens next?
Japan goes on a crash course to develop Nukes. Australia starts to deploy nukes. Russia gets nervous because Siberia is a natural resources treasure trove and spins up the nukes.
The only way to avoid the certainty of nuclear war in the future is to insure that everyone knows. We will defend Taiwan. We will side with the Philippines over the Spratley Islands. We will no blink. We will fight and we will not rule out any weapon.
Look. Hitler didn’t believe the French of English that Poland would be a war trigger. They said the same thing before about the Rhineland and Czechoslovakia. And both times they backed down.
Why would he believe them the third time? We know that Hitler was prepared to order the withdrawal from the Demilitarized zones. History tells us that. But his bluff worked. People were more afraid of another war than letting Germany get away with it.
We must stand firm. Or we lose our allies in the region and there will be a nuclear war with near absolute certainty in the near future.
