Pelosi's Insistence on Covering Illegal Aliens With Federal Health Plan

[get_involved]

"The Democrats’ bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident."

-- Rep. Lamar Smith quoted in the Hill



Lamar Smith Spells Out Costs of Speaker Pelosi's Insistence on Covering Illegal Aliens With Federal Health Plan | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

 

[KittenKoder]

Twitchy Woman!

 

[WillowTree]

That's the next great battle. The congresscritters won't listen to Americans about that either. We handed mccain and kennedy their asses over it, Americans are getting tired of deaf DUmmies!

 

[Harry Dresden]

im sorry....i just dont believe Pelosi would do such a thing.....she is just like someones grandmother....

 

[Ringel05]

She has to include them, they make up 2/3s of her constituency.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Yep. Time to round up all the illegals - just like an old cattle drive - and escort them boldly back across the border. We should let them all know that we are allowing them to walk out of our country this time. Next time they will have to be carried. Maybe dead. Maybe alive. Just depends on where the bullet lands. It's time we took back our country and it's also time to get all of that Spanish language crap off of our product packages. If you have to read it in Spanish to know if it's something you need, you are in the wrong country. We speak English around here. As far as being included in on any health care reform? They won't need it. That is, unless they come back into the country a second time. Then only basic life support until they are swept back across the border. Racist? Maybe... Fed up with Mexicans and hearing all the Spanish being spoken in America? Definite yes.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yep. Time to round up all the illegals - just like an old cattle drive - and escort them boldly back across the border. We should let them all know that we are allowing them to walk out of our country this time. Next time they will have to be carried. Maybe dead. Maybe alive. Just depends on where the bullet lands. It's time we took back our country and it's also time to get all of that Spanish language crap off of our product packages. If you have to read it in Spanish to know if it's something you need, you are in the wrong country. We speak English around here. As far as being included in on any health care reform? They won't need it. That is, unless they come back into the country a second time. Then only basic life support until they are swept back across the border. Racist? Maybe... Fed up with Mexicans and hearing all the Spanish being spoken in America? Definite yes.

you jest....Spanish is spoken in America?.....

 

[Xenophon]

What is astounding is people keep defending this rediculous bill.

This is not the 'reform' you were told was needed, its yet another giveaway to secure possible future votes using taxpayer dollars.

 

[rayboyusmc]

What is ridiculous is the bill would not give healthcare to illegal aliens.

More bullshit from the right.

"The Democrats’ bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident."

when you ask these right wing pols to further explain, they can't.

roy blount lied the other day that he would not be able to get hip replacement at his age in England. That is bullshit. When confronted, he stated that he didn't just pull this out of the air.

For those of you like me who have healthcare, we are being squeezed by the Health Care giants and their paid political toadies, pay more and get poorer care.

Amazing how many people will accept shit to make their party seem okay.

What about all those whizes from the right at the "grass roots" who don't want the government involved in healthcare, but will kill you if you touch their medicae.

I will give the right credit for being able to spread the lies to such an extent that many uniformed Americans actually begin to believe.

They have no plan but rather than help out americans without healthcare their only plan ist to be obstructive.

 

[Ravi]

Yep, the next big lie. They've used death panels to death so now it is a mythical coverage for illegal immigrants.

The immigrants will just continue to show up at the emergency room and keep hospital costs high.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What is ridiculous is the bill would not give healthcare to illegal aliens.

More bullshit from the right.

"The Democrats’ bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident."

when you ask these right wing pols to further explain, they can't.

roy blount lied the other day that he would not be able to get hip replacement at his age in England. That is bullshit. When confronted, he stated that he didn't just pull this out of the air.

For those of you like me who have healthcare, we are being squeezed by the Health Care giants and their paid political toadies, pay more and get poorer care.

Amazing how many people will accept shit to make their party seem okay.

What about all those whizes from the right at the "grass roots" who don't want the government involved in healthcare, but will kill you if you touch their medicae.

I will give the right credit for being able to spread the lies to such an extent that many uniformed Americans actually begin to believe.

They have no plan but rather than help out americans without healthcare their only plan ist to be obstructive.

Why did the House Ways and Means Committee nix the Heller amendment (by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines) that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama?

 

[Gudrid]

Well, here's the problem. The text of that alleged amendment is nowhere to be found. Can't find it on thomas, can't find it on Heller's website. You have no idea what that amendment said, nor do I. Until we can find the text, there's really no way of knowing what the amendment said or what the objections might have been. As the bill itself specifically says it can't be used on illegals, the conclusion that it's all a big plot to cover illegals doesn't make sense to me. But again, I'd need to see the amendment itself as proposed. Do you know where I can find it?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Well, here's the problem. The text of that alleged amendment is nowhere to be found. Can't find it on thomas, can't find it on Heller's website. You have no idea what that amendment said, nor do I. Until we can find the text, there's really no way of knowing what the amendment said or what the objections might have been. As the bill itself specifically says it can't be used on illegals, the conclusion that it's all a big plot to cover illegals doesn't make sense to me. But again, I'd need to see the amendment itself as proposed. Do you know where I can find it?

Nowhere to be found? Well I'll fix that shit!!!!!


http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/heller-6.pdf


Fixed!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yep, the next big lie. They've used death panels to death so now it is a mythical coverage for illegal immigrants.

The immigrants will just continue to show up at the emergency room and keep hospital costs high.

Now, about this 'Death Panel' thing...

It seems that the left is never able to use logic and experience, as in 'connect the dots,' when it goes against their perspective.

Unless DEATH PANEL is spelled out in Day-Glo letters, they can't seem to see it in the bill...unlike the right to abortion that they clearly see in the Constitution.

But, an interesting op-ed in the WSJ sheds some light: Beware! Dots connected_

Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."

There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel?

This hurry-up-and-die message is clear and unconscionable. Worse, a July 2009 VA directive instructs its primary care physicians to raise advance care planning with all VA patients and to refer them to "Your Life, Your Choices." Not just those of advanced age and debilitated condition—all patients. America's 24 million veterans deserve better."

Jim Towey: The Death Book for Veterans - WSJ.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is ridiculous is the bill would not give healthcare to illegal aliens.

More bullshit from the right.

"The Democrats’ bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident."

when you ask these right wing pols to further explain, they can't.

roy blount lied the other day that he would not be able to get hip replacement at his age in England. That is bullshit. When confronted, he stated that he didn't just pull this out of the air.

For those of you like me who have healthcare, we are being squeezed by the Health Care giants and their paid political toadies, pay more and get poorer care.

Amazing how many people will accept shit to make their party seem okay.

What about all those whizes from the right at the "grass roots" who don't want the government involved in healthcare, but will kill you if you touch their medicae.

I will give the right credit for being able to spread the lies to such an extent that many uniformed Americans actually begin to believe.

They have no plan but rather than help out americans without healthcare their only plan ist to be obstructive.

Why did the House Ways and Means Committee nix the Heller amendment (by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines) that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama?

It seems that there are folks who object to abortion being covered in the bill, but our President said it was a lie that abortion was covered.

But...
"WASHINGTON — An anti-abortion amendment to a sweeping health overhaul bill was voted down in a House committee late Thursday — a dramatic reversal just hours after the measure initially was approved."
Anti-abortion measure goes down after passing in initial vote in House committee

Yet the bill contains language like "essential health services." How will this be interpreted?

I guess there are lies, and then again, there are lies.

 

[Gudrid]

Well, here's the problem. The text of that alleged amendment is nowhere to be found. Can't find it on thomas, can't find it on Heller's website. You have no idea what that amendment said, nor do I. Until we can find the text, there's really no way of knowing what the amendment said or what the objections might have been. As the bill itself specifically says it can't be used on illegals, the conclusion that it's all a big plot to cover illegals doesn't make sense to me. But again, I'd need to see the amendment itself as proposed. Do you know where I can find it?

Nowhere to be found? Well I'll fix that shit!!!!!


http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/heller-6.pdf

Fixed!!

Thank you! I have searched up and down for that thing. That was driving me crazy, and I can usually find darn near anything online. Now my entire self image as Master of all that is Google is severely challenged.

I'm a little confused by it, though. The wording references two specific programs (IEVS and SAVE) "under section 1137 of the Social Security Act." SAVE applies to illegal immigrants. However, IEVS does not. From how I'm reading it, this amendment would require any American citizen who signs up for the public healthcare program to file the same sorts of income reporting forms that welfare recipients have to file, then wait for the income to be verified. Even if they aren't requesting the government credit. That doesn't make sense to me and seems like a needless burden and a waste of time and money.

Also, subsection D of the Social Security Act is worded in a manner that makes sense for long-term programs, but in the case of healthcare could result in legal tourists being unable to be treated in cases of emergencies. That's not the goal of the amendment by any means, but I could see it being an issue potentially.

Mostly, though, I think the IEVS requirement is unreasonable, particularly the provision in the second part requiring private insurers to perform the verification. I don't want private insurers in charge of verifying immigration status and income.

Now, I have no idea if any of that is why it was rejected - that's merely speculation from my reading. However, I think my speculation is just as likely (ok, I'll say more likely...) than assuming it's all a big plot to spend money on illegal immigrants. The one thing I feel confident of in our government is this - they will cheat to take money, but rarely cheat to hand out money.

 

[Ame®icano]

PoliticalChic, this thread is about health coverage for illegal aliens, and you are trying to switch attention from the topic by talking about death panels and abortion. We can talk about that too, but let's stay on the topic first.

The way I see it, per HR3200 states would be required to automatically enroll non-traditional Medicaid individuals to the proposed government-run option. Republicans proposed that states verify citizenship before enrolling and Democrats rejected it.

I don't see why is the problem to check if individual is citizen, legal or illegal before enrolling into health care, or before hiring, or before receiving any benefits paid by taxpayers.

Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) offered an amendment to the House Energy and Commerce Committee this morning that would explicitly prohibit illegal aliens from receiving health care benefits under the health care reform bill (H.R. 3200). The amendment was narrowly defeated 28-to-29 after two Blue Dog Democrats on the committee voted against the amendment.

House Committee Votes Against Preventing Health Care Benefits to Illegal Aliens

 

[Oldandtired]

Yep. Time to round up all the illegals - just like an old cattle drive - and escort them boldly back across the border. We should let them all know that we are allowing them to walk out of our country this time. Next time they will have to be carried. Maybe dead. Maybe alive. Just depends on where the bullet lands. It's time we took back our country and it's also time to get all of that Spanish language crap off of our product packages. If you have to read it in Spanish to know if it's something you need, you are in the wrong country. We speak English around here. As far as being included in on any health care reform? They won't need it. That is, unless they come back into the country a second time. Then only basic life support until they are swept back across the border. Racist? Maybe... Fed up with Mexicans and hearing all the Spanish being spoken in America? Definite yes.

you jest....Spanish is spoken in America?.....

LMAO...for the first time the following happened....NO JOKE....

I called my water company regarding a main break on my block.

I got a recording that said "if you would like to continue in English press 1....but I did not hear it at first as I was outside looking at the flood.....so I simply hung on.

Next thing I know, the recording was in Spanish...I speak broken spanish and heard something about "questioning my bill press 1".....so I hung up and called back.

This time I listened to the original recording and it said "If you would like to continue in english press 1"...so I did...

It then ocurred to me.....For the first time, it was the one who speaks ENGLISH that had to prompt to an alternative.....if you spoke Spanish, it automatically went to Spanish if you do not prompt.

Found it humorous.

 

[Truthmatters]

I just love alkl theis stupidity.

YOU ALREADY PAY FOR IT.

The only way to not pay for it is to refuse medical service to Illegal aliens.


That would end up killing American citizens

 

[Ame®icano]

Seems our tax dollars are hard at work for everyone except the American people. We like to say that our government has us taxed to death, but seems that we haven't seen real taxes yet.

If members of Congress take an oath to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States, then how can they give any benefits to people who are here illegally?