Dr Grump
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so if the Left knew and supported the waterboarding, the repubs are doubly to blame? total horseshit. oh sorry Kangaroo shit.
It depends WHEN they knew...............
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so if the Left knew and supported the waterboarding, the repubs are doubly to blame? total horseshit. oh sorry Kangaroo shit.
And if she knew about it, who else did? No GoPer's right?
BOTH parties are responsible. No one is saying the repubs aren't. We're saying the dems are hypocrites on this issue.
Well at least you put your hand up for BOTH parties...more than RSG is doing right now. I agree, both are responsible, but more onus is on the right with this one, just like more onus was on the left for Carter's terrible attempt at rescuing the Tehran hostages
so if the Left knew and supported the waterboarding, the repubs are doubly to blame? total horseshit. oh sorry Kangaroo shit.
It depends WHEN they knew...............
she has ALWAYS admitted that she was briefed on these new methods of interrogation that the administration said they legally could use...there is NO LIE THERE....we have every video of her saying from the beginning that she was briefed on such, she has never said she WAS NOT.
The discrepancy is whether or not the CIA did brief her at this september 02 briefing about the techniques being used ALREADY on abu Z 83 times.
She said that she wasn't, and that at this briefing, she was told that they had NOT used these interrogation techniques and that she/congress would be NOTIFIED if they ever did.
There is no argument that she was briefed on what these new, supposedly legal, interrogations entailed.
BULLSHIT, you don't get it both ways, she was briefed but on some later date and then lied to. Doesn't work that way. Further you JUST admitted she was BRIEFED in the meeting you are claiming she said she was NOT briefed.
In fact one of your ignorant arguments is that when others at the meeting ADMITTED they were briefed, they to are lying because they did not say Pelosi, just referred to what titled members were there. SHE HAD THE TITLE.
so if the Left knew and supported the waterboarding, the repubs are doubly to blame? total horseshit. oh sorry Kangaroo shit.
It depends WHEN they knew...............
Pelosi knew as soon as they created the program as they HAD to brief her, it was her duty to inform the rest of the Democrats. She got briefed every time they wanted money also. THAT is how Ranking Member works. You see dumb ass, the top Republican and top Democrat on any committee that has a hand in the bill gets briefed. THAT is how our Government works.
Ame®icano;1231044 said:Its not surprising that people blindly believe and support everything their favorite politicians tell them.
Just as example, when Obama announced release of waterboarding photos, he was applauded. When he changed his mind about releasing photos, he was applauded again by the same people.
I am pretty sure that, if Obama flips again and say that waterboarding is not a torture, most of his supporters, if not all, would change their minds and support him on that.
We have laws that prohibit torture, but they do not define what torture is. If Obama is so sure about waterboarding, why didnt he charge anyone yet? And even if/when he does, its up to our courts to decide who broke the law, not him.
He knows he cant charge anyone on the right without exposing those on the left. Its just a matter of who is expandable for him.
Ame®icano;1231044 said:Its not surprising that people blindly believe and support everything their favorite politicians tell them.
Just as example, when Obama announced release of waterboarding photos, he was applauded. When he changed his mind about releasing photos, he was applauded again by the same people.
I am pretty sure that, if Obama flips again and say that waterboarding is not a torture, most of his supporters, if not all, would change their minds and support him on that.
We have laws that prohibit torture, but they do not define what torture is. If Obama is so sure about waterboarding, why didnt he charge anyone yet? And even if/when he does, its up to our courts to decide who broke the law, not him.
He knows he cant charge anyone on the right without exposing those on the left. Its just a matter of who is expandable for him.
he can't charge anyone with anything...obama is not a USA prosecutor nor does he work for the Justice dept.... What Obama has to say on this has no bite.
Ame®icano;1231111 said:Ame®icano;1231044 said:Its not surprising that people blindly believe and support everything their favorite politicians tell them.
Just as example, when Obama announced release of waterboarding photos, he was applauded. When he changed his mind about releasing photos, he was applauded again by the same people.
I am pretty sure that, if Obama flips again and say that waterboarding is not a torture, most of his supporters, if not all, would change their minds and support him on that.
We have laws that prohibit torture, but they do not define what torture is. If Obama is so sure about waterboarding, why didnt he charge anyone yet? And even if/when he does, its up to our courts to decide who broke the law, not him.
He knows he cant charge anyone on the right without exposing those on the left. Its just a matter of who is expandable for him.
he can't charge anyone with anything...obama is not a USA prosecutor nor does he work for the Justice dept.... What Obama has to say on this has no bite.
If he can't, why is he bragging about it every day?
Ame®icano;1231111 said:he can't charge anyone with anything...obama is not a USA prosecutor nor does he work for the Justice dept.... What Obama has to say on this has no bite.
If he can't, why is he bragging about it every day?
i dunno? i just know it would have to come from congress or the justice dept, and no one could be charged with a crime unless there is an investigation and enough evidence supporting a crime being committed.
Ame®icano;1231131 said:Ame®icano;1231111 said:If he can't, why is he bragging about it every day?
i dunno? i just know it would have to come from congress or the justice dept, and no one could be charged with a crime unless there is an investigation and enough evidence supporting a crime being committed.
So, why there is no investigation?
Don't give a shit. Did she order the water boarding? If not, stop trying to deflect the blame. Another instance of the right trying to blame others for their own fuck ups...I don't care if Bush himself told her about it, Bush and his puppet masters are responsible for it. If Hitler told Churchill that he was gassing Jews, is Churchill to blame or Hitler. You righties have some of the most piss weak excuses I've ever seen. man up or fuck off...
Uh, churchill tried to stop Hitler. Did Pelosi try to stop Bush? Bad example.
rriiiigghhht.. so if a rightie fucks up, it's the leftie's fault for not stopping them?? And here's me thinking you righties are all about personal responsibility....until it's YOUR FUCKTARD that FUCKS up...interesting (but hardly surprising - in my 8 years on messageboards I've never seen a rightie take responsibility for their own actions - even thought it seems to be one of the main tenets of their existance)
Ame®icano;1231131 said:i dunno? i just know it would have to come from congress or the justice dept, and no one could be charged with a crime unless there is an investigation and enough evidence supporting a crime being committed.
So, why there is no investigation?
democrats were asking that question the last 7 years....again, i dunno?
obama also said he'd close gitmo, but guess what? he can't do that either, without congress...
Ame®icano;1231131 said:So, why there is no investigation?
democrats were asking that question the last 7 years....again, i dunno?
obama also said he'd close gitmo, but guess what? he can't do that either, without congress...
Care, that is the point about Pelosi and the extreme methods. Obviously without Congressional funding they would not have gone forward. Congressional leadership of both parties were kept in the loop, already admitted, and went forward with funding. That alone belies Pelosi's denials.
democrats were asking that question the last 7 years....again, i dunno?
obama also said he'd close gitmo, but guess what? he can't do that either, without congress...
Care, that is the point about Pelosi and the extreme methods. Obviously without Congressional funding they would not have gone forward. Congressional leadership of both parties were kept in the loop, already admitted, and went forward with funding. That alone belies Pelosi's denials.
are you under the impression that funding the cia for the the fight against alqaeda, only meant you were funding torture? that's nonsensical annie....
besides the fact that all that she was told, was top secret....she could tell no one in congress nor could bob graham....and the administration counted on that....don't ya think?
i still think she was complacent and could have tried to do more with the administration, but note, she supported EVERY MEASURE congress took, to make it clear it was torture and to try to stop the administration....she supported mccain's efforts to stop it as well, only the house version....why would she do that if she supported president bush's enhanced measures?
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