Peggy Noonan, Reagan's Speech Writer, Calls Trump 'Weak and Sniveling'

[Dale Smith]

There are very few Conservatives left on USMB. What's left are Trumpian idiots. When the Right starts eating its own, the rift in the GOP has reached critical mass. Even a stalwart Conservative like Peggy Noonan is fodder for the Great Purge.

Not all that long ago the Great Purge began. Tea Party types began 'primarying' out those found unworthy of office due to their lack of Conservative bona fides. Gone were the Richard Lugars and Evan Bhyes. And in we're the Ted Cruzes and Marco Rubios.

Those who have held the banner of American Conservatism are under assault by the Trumpian idiots. Ted Cruz, arch Conservative, and Marco Rubio, Tea Party darling, were rejected as unworthy for the Presidency by the Trumpian idiots. Instead they backed a petulant coarse and boorish little gameshow host. Why? Because he is the perfect mirror of the Trumpian idiots intellectual curiosity, their narrow world outlook, their frequently racist and constantly xenophobic attitudes and, most telling, their standard of civil comportment.

What a shame. What a way to marginalized their outreach to the broader electorate. And ultimately, what a boon for the next generation of articulate Progressive politicians.

Purge at your own risk, Trumpian! Those who you cut out are turning out to be the nose you cut off to spite your face.

I am as conservative as they come.....and a constitutionalist all the way. What we no longer have are "liberals". Butthurt pseudo liberals and Fabian socialists a plenty that can't stand the fact that they continue to damage their brand. They point at Trump while the DNC is rife with corruption. I like some of the things he has done and not so crazy about some others. What matters at the end of the day is that the Barrypuppet is gone and his legacy will continue to take a beating and the truth will come out about what a fraud he was. What matters as well is that the Hildebeast and the DNC wasn't able to steal the election. Of course stupid fucks such as yourself wouldn't have cared in the slightest had she been able too because like the ol commie credo goes "the end justifies the means".

 

[Pogo]

"Tear down that wall Mr. Gorbachev "
Written by Noonan.

She put words in the mouth of the Alzheimer's patient.

You do realize the difference in the walls right? Berlin was to keep people in. Quite different from one to keep bad people out. You do know the history of the Berlin Wall right?

OOH! I know!

--- they made Mexico pay for it?

 

[bripat9643]

The accolades keep rolling in. Lol

Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan says President Trump's primary problem as a leader is not that he is "inexperienced, crude, an outsider" but that he is "weak and sniveling" and "undermines himself almost daily by ignoring" traditional norms of American masculinity.

"He throws himself, sobbing, on the body politic," Noonan wrote in her column Thursday.

"He's a drama queen. It was once said, sarcastically, of George H.W. Bush that he reminded everyone of her first husband. Trump must remind people of their first wife. Actually his wife, Melania, is tougher than he is with her stoicism and grace, her self-discipline and desire to show the world respect by presenting herself with dignity."

Noonan, a conservative who has been critical of Trump in the past, said half the president's tweets show "utter weakness" and cast his attacks on news organizations and members of his own party as "whimpering accusation and finger-pointing."

She said Trump's "public brutalizing of Attorney General Jeff Sessions isn't strong, cool and deadly" but "limp, lame and blubbery."

Trump in recent days has targeted Sessions over his recusal from the Justice Department's ongoing investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. He told The New York Times he would have picked someone else for the job if he knew that was going to happen, and on Monday he called the former Alabama senator "beleaguered."



On Tuesday morning, Trump criticized Sessions again, saying the attorney general has taken a "VERY weak position on Hillary Clinton crimes."

"Talk about projection," Noonan added.


Peggy Noonan: ‘Weak and sniveling’ Trump is not as strong as his wife

Peggy Noonan is an establishment douche bag, and always has been. She wrote Reagan's speeches. She didn't make policy.

She tells the truth about Trump you must attack her.
Your MO.

You admire every one who hates Trump.

 

[bripat9643]

"Tear down that wall Mr. Gorbachev "
Written by Noonan.

She put words in the mouth of the Alzheimer's patient.

Wrong. Noonan had nothing to do with the speech. It appears you are the one who has Alzheimer's.

Peter Robinson: Reagan Almost Did Not Give 'Wall' Speech​

However, Robinson explained he had dinner with some West Berliners and remembers one woman who became quite angry when talking about the wall.

"She said if this man [Mikhail] Gorbachev is serious with all this talk of Glasnost and Perestroika, he can prove it by coming here and getting rid of this wall," he recalled.

"And when he went back to Washington, he drafted a speech with that passage about tearing down the wall, and only got faint praise from Reagan, who said, 'well that was a good draft.'"

Because Robinson always wanted more from Reagan, he told him that depending on the weather patterns, "they'd be able to hear the speech on the other side, the Communist side of the wall. Maybe as far east as Moscow itself. Mr. President, is there anything in particular you'd like to say to the people on the other side of the wall?"

And after thinking a bit, Reagan said he'd want to say the passage about tearing down the wall.

"Then the speech went out to staffing and for three weeks between the meeting with the president and the day he delivered the speech the entire foreign policy apparatus of the government opposed the speech," said Robinson. "The State Department, the National Security Council, the diplomat on the ground in Berlin. They submitted alternate draft after alternate draft after alternate draft and finally the president himself had to redecide the matter"

Reagan's Deputy Chief of Staff Ken Duberstein, who was at that meeting, told Robinson he'd sat Reagan down and explained that the State Department and the National Security Council all believe the speech sounded naive and that it would raise false expectations.

"They talked about it, and then he said there was a moment when that twinkle came into the president's eyes and he said, 'now, I'm the president aren't I?'"

And since Reagan got to make the decision, the line stayed in and the speech was delivered.

Robinson said that Reagan made the decision "because he was Ronald Reagan."

And Reagan, "was not interested in the bureaucratic intricacies and diplomacy of what negotiations might have been going on between the State Department and Moscow," said Robinson.

Reagan has become known as "The Great Communicator," but something else came first, said Robinson, and that was he had a "moral imagination" and could visualize a world without a Soviet Union.

"In the case of this speech, this came into play because the president knew he would be standing in front of the Berlin Wall," said Robinson. "You could not put Ronald Reagan in front of the Berlin Wall and give him a bureaucratic sounding, dull speech about minor diplomatic initiatives, which is what they wanted him to deliver. So he understood that if he was going to stand at that wall, he was going to call for it to be torn down."

And while Robinson wrote the speech, he told Hayworth and Khan that the speech "belonged to Ronald Reagan from beginning to end."​

 

[bripat9643]

I've been listening to Noonan for years on Meet The Press. She always takes the Republican side.
But Trump's sniveling weakness is too hard for her and millions like her to handle.

They don't invite real conservatives on meet the press.

 

[Political Junky]

I've been listening to Noonan for years on Meet The Press. She always takes the Republican side.
But Trump's sniveling weakness is too hard for her and millions like her to handle.

They don't invite real conservatives on meet the press.

She's conservative .. shows how Far Right the GOP has drifted.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

"Tear down that wall Mr. Gorbachev "
Written by Noonan.

She put words in the mouth of the Alzheimer's patient.

So, in your contempt for the greatest president of the 20th century, YOU give weight to her OPINION?

Sorry. Her opinion means nothing to me. I doubt it really means anything to you.

 

[Mac1958]

When you have to attack Peggy Noonan, yikes.

 

[Camp]

"Tear down that wall Mr. Gorbachev "
Written by Noonan.

She put words in the mouth of the Alzheimer's patient.

So, in your contempt for the greatest president of the 20th century, YOU give weight to her OPINION?

Sorry. Her opinion means nothing to me. I doubt it really means anything to you.

FDR was by far the greatest President of the 20th Century.

 

[FJO]

"Tear down that wall Mr. Gorbachev "
Written by Noonan.

She put words in the mouth of the Alzheimer's patient.

So, in your contempt for the greatest president of the 20th century, YOU give weight to her OPINION?

Sorry. Her opinion means nothing to me. I doubt it really means anything to you.

FDR was by far the greatest President of the 20th Century.

Yeah, nothing is greater than putting innocent citizens in concentration camps and confiscate their property,

FDR learned that from his idol "Uncle Joe" Stalin.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

FDR was by far the greatest President of the 20th Century

The Democrat who imprisoned Japanese AMERICANS?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

"Tear down that wall Mr. Gorbachev "
Written by Noonan.

She put words in the mouth of the Alzheimer's patient.

You do realize the difference in the walls right? Berlin was to keep people in. Quite different from one to keep bad people out. You do know the history of the Berlin Wall right?

Better than you do, I taught it in HS history class.

Thanks for verifying our education system is a failure.

 

[August West]

The accolades keep rolling in. Lol

Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan says President Trump's primary problem as a leader is not that he is "inexperienced, crude, an outsider" but that he is "weak and sniveling" and "undermines himself almost daily by ignoring" traditional norms of American masculinity.

"He throws himself, sobbing, on the body politic," Noonan wrote in her column Thursday.

"He's a drama queen. It was once said, sarcastically, of George H.W. Bush that he reminded everyone of her first husband. Trump must remind people of their first wife. Actually his wife, Melania, is tougher than he is with her stoicism and grace, her self-discipline and desire to show the world respect by presenting herself with dignity."

Noonan, a conservative who has been critical of Trump in the past, said half the president's tweets show "utter weakness" and cast his attacks on news organizations and members of his own party as "whimpering accusation and finger-pointing."

She said Trump's "public brutalizing of Attorney General Jeff Sessions isn't strong, cool and deadly" but "limp, lame and blubbery."

Trump in recent days has targeted Sessions over his recusal from the Justice Department's ongoing investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. He told The New York Times he would have picked someone else for the job if he knew that was going to happen, and on Monday he called the former Alabama senator "beleaguered."



On Tuesday morning, Trump criticized Sessions again, saying the attorney general has taken a "VERY weak position on Hillary Clinton crimes."

"Talk about projection," Noonan added.


Peggy Noonan: ‘Weak and sniveling’ Trump is not as strong as his wife

Peggy Noonan is an establishment douche bag, and always has been. She wrote Reagan's speeches. She didn't make policy.

Indeed she didn`t make policy and neither did he. He was good at reading things that others had written for him but it was someone else`s job to keep him awake long enough to read the stuff.

 

[Pogo]

Wow, she was relevant about 30 years ago

Doesn't take "relevance" to anything to see glaring human character flaws. Or to be honest enough to acknowledge them.
Doesn't even take a political bent.

All it takes is basic humanity.

If nothing else Rump's rumble has demonstrated who among us --- on any "side" --- has the basic honesty to tell it like it is and who prefers to live in the prescribed world of self-delusion where the emperor is actually wearing clothes. That's something we were all supposed to have learned as toddlers.

 

[Nosmo King]

As I said, the Conservatives here at USMB are getting to be fewer and fewer in number. They are being replaced by Trumpian idiots whose politics is not ideology. It used to be that you could determine a Conservative by their stance on tax rates and fiscal policy. Or a Conservative was defined by social issues and their stance on minority rights.

But the Trumpian idiots aren't interested in ideology as demonstrated on this thread. They dismiss Conservative icons like Peggy Noonan. The Trumpian idiot does not live in a world of political priorities. They live at the nexus of politics and show business. Personalities count more than ideas. Ndeed ideas can be distilled down to a bumper sticker and the Trumpian idiots will cheer with glee.

Low brow and xenophobic, the Trumpian idiot can afford to be callous in his regard of political ideology. Shallow thinking breeds shallow values.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Nosmo seems upset. I guess he SHOULD begin to understand how the rest of us felt when Obama and Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy could do no wrong. Ted Kennedy MURDERED a girl and you guys ran him for president!

 

[Nosmo King]

Nosmo seems upset. I guess he SHOULD begin to understand how the rest of us felt when Obama and Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy could do no wrong. Ted Kennedy MURDERED a girl and you guys ran him for president!

I'm not as upset as gobsmacked. What passed for values among the Right can be so easily forgotten if an election victory is the prize. When the Right went after Clinton for womanizing, the affair ended with impeachment. But Trump's 'pussy grabbing' comment was dismissed as boys being boys.

When the Right attacked Hillary for her e-mail server that affair ended in an election defeat and ignominy. But the 'forgotten' meetings with Russians among the incoming Trump administration has thrown a lot of heat, but no light for the Right.

The Right purged the Republican Party of all who were deemed insufficiently Conservative, yet they chose as their candidate someone who is a new comer to the GOP because of his crass, boorish, petulant and inexperienced personality.

Gone are ideological concerns. Today's flavor of the month is a cult of personality.

 

[Pogo]

I'm not as upset as gobsmacked. What passed for values among the Right can be so easily forgotten if an election victory is the prize. When the Right went after Clinton for womanizing, the affair ended with impeachment. But Trump's 'pussy grabbing' comment was dismissed as boys being boys.

ZACKLY. That kind of rank double-standard hypocrisy is part and parcel of the whole singleminded "Eliminationist" mindset where politics, ideology and principle are all in effect thrown out the proverbial window and supplanted by a grand sports mentality where "my team" has to "score points" and "win". Preferably by a shutout.

Hence the aforementioned purging of "players" on that team who dare to listen to the other POV. Hence the whole concept of the term "RINO" including last week's threads calling for John McCain's head and Susan Collins' job. Hence the contrivance of "Liberalism is a mental disease" and a dozen other blanket generalizations contriving actual personality traits to entire political blocs. Hence the revisions of history, complete with photoshops and Googly Image memes full of fake quotes, bent on kicking past figures off one's "team" and grabbing others to make retroactive "players" on that "team" -- and especially, assigning cherrypicked negative "players" to the other "team". (Lincoln, Hitler, the Klan, Peggy Noonan, etc)

Hence the hiring of a giant orange klown who's never held a job in his life simply because they smell a chance for a "team" "win". And hence the jettisoning of one's "players" of yesterday (Bushes) simply because the Orange Freako said so. Abject Lemmingism.

That singleminded mentality is taking us straight down the Coriolis Effect.

 

[Nosmo King]

Today's Trumpian politics are confrontational rather than inspiratioral. They seem happiest that Trump's critics seem, to them, to be angry with Trump. Pissing off the Left carries more weight than accomplishment. Trump's accomplishments can be counted with one finger. Appointing a Supreme Court justice. And that could only happen if Senate rules were trashed and the majority leader invoked the 'nuclear option'.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Trump's outlandish behavior has resulted in chaos, not the "winning" he boldly promised. Chief of Staff, Deputy Chief of Staff, National Security Advisor, Communications Director, Press Secretary all gone in 190 days. Without coherent leadership, how can anyone be "winning big league"?

And the Trumpian idiots lap this stuff up with a spoon! Why? Why are they not concerned about issues? Because they have gone all in for a shameless self promoter, a charlatan, a huckster buffoon whose comportment is more appropriate in a professional wrestling match than as leader of the free world.

 

[bripat9643]

The accolades keep rolling in. Lol

Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan says President Trump's primary problem as a leader is not that he is "inexperienced, crude, an outsider" but that he is "weak and sniveling" and "undermines himself almost daily by ignoring" traditional norms of American masculinity.

"He throws himself, sobbing, on the body politic," Noonan wrote in her column Thursday.

"He's a drama queen. It was once said, sarcastically, of George H.W. Bush that he reminded everyone of her first husband. Trump must remind people of their first wife. Actually his wife, Melania, is tougher than he is with her stoicism and grace, her self-discipline and desire to show the world respect by presenting herself with dignity."

Noonan, a conservative who has been critical of Trump in the past, said half the president's tweets show "utter weakness" and cast his attacks on news organizations and members of his own party as "whimpering accusation and finger-pointing."

She said Trump's "public brutalizing of Attorney General Jeff Sessions isn't strong, cool and deadly" but "limp, lame and blubbery."

Trump in recent days has targeted Sessions over his recusal from the Justice Department's ongoing investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. He told The New York Times he would have picked someone else for the job if he knew that was going to happen, and on Monday he called the former Alabama senator "beleaguered."



On Tuesday morning, Trump criticized Sessions again, saying the attorney general has taken a "VERY weak position on Hillary Clinton crimes."

"Talk about projection," Noonan added.


Peggy Noonan: ‘Weak and sniveling’ Trump is not as strong as his wife

Peggy Noonan is an establishment douche bag, and always has been. She wrote Reagan's speeches. She didn't make policy.

Indeed she didn`t make policy and neither did he. He was good at reading things that others had written for him but it was someone else`s job to keep him awake long enough to read the stuff.

You're obviously an idiot who makes stuff up.