PAY children to go to school!

[fandango]

Just lovin that slavery. Arent'cha. To hell with what the parent's may or may not do. When children do school "work," they should get paid for doing so. Isn't that what capitalism is all about? You do work and get paid for it.

My father and I had a conversation about this, relative to not being paid for chores around his house when I was about 14. I was told that if I didn’t care for the situation I could pack up everything I owned and leave.

After packing a bag I was stopped at the door to make sure I didn’t have any of His property in my bag. As he rightfully pointed out, there was nothing in the bag (including the bag itself) that I had actually made the money to buy. It was all His.

I got “paid” by being fed, clothed and housed.

Sounds like your dad was pretty fucked up. All that aside, don't you think it would have caused a little less strife if you actually got paid to go to school?

 

[fandango]

And you don't think that it is possible for you to have been brought up in a bullshit manner? Read post #70. You also said that if you didn't do well in school, your parents would stop giving you food and shelter. I find that unlikely.

No. I said if we didn’t give 100% to our education we would have been thrown out. I was a B- student in high school. My brothers were both A level students. All 3 of us gave 100%. My 100% just wasn’t A level, for several reasons.

Maybe you just weren't "receiving the whip" material. If so, I commend you.

 

[Anathema]

[L]Sounds like your dad was pretty fucked up. All that aside, don't you think it would have caused a little less strife if you actually got paid to go to school?

Not at all. Both of my parents were professional educators for parts of their working lives.

There would have been far more strife if I’d been paid. My attitude toward school wouldn’t have changed, but there wouldn’t have been anything to hold me accountable. I’d have been dead or in prison before I turned 19 instead of off to college and a career that’s allowed me to support myself and my family.

 

[Anathema]

Maybe you just weren't "receiving the whip" material. If so, I commend you.

No. I have a minor learning disability and since I knew what I wanted to do for a career by the end of my Freshman year in high school anything that didn’t promote that end didn’t get as much attention as it should have. 25 years later I do regret some of it.

 

[harmonica]

I nominate you to pay for the plan as well.

I have a 14 y.o. and a 15 y.o. You go ahead and pay them to attend school.

Make sure it's enough for them to support families of 4 and rent a 3 bedroom house. Isn't that the gold standard for minimum wage you guys maintain?

They attend school 9 hours a day, and probably devote an hour a day and 3 hours on the weekends to homework..pay them for that as well.

And since it's over 40 hours a week, you'll have to pay them overtime.

As I basically told todd, you are fukin high! In the countries that provide universal health care, they didn't do so by having any single person pay for it all. So paying children for their school "work" couldn't be done by me alone either.

Next, I wasn't talking about paying them what an adult would expect. You would have to be stupid to think that an 8th grader would need anything even close to https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/night-of-the-long-knivesethat kind of money.

As for homework, I say fuck it. If you were following along, you may have seen what I told somebody about students in Finland. They are said to be the most educated students in the world. Or at least in the top three. And when they do tests, they aren't given multiple boxes to check for the answers. They give the answers. How did they do all that? They did away with homework!

people always bring up countries with very small populations compared to the US
you can't do that--it's not a good analogy
that's much easier to enact for these small populations
Finland population 5.5 mil..US 300 mil
etc

If a small country can do anything, it would have to be just as easy for a large country to do. It is only a matter of scale.

no
1. many people would be against it--much harder to convince people to be for it
2. some communities do not have the $$$$ for it as much as others
3. there is no guarantee this would work!!! there are more kids in the US--meaning more that could be [ are ] not as smart/different cultures-parental upbringing/etc
---- = the parents have a huge part in the ''intelligence''/education of the kids

Like most aspects of human behavior and cognition, intelligence is a complex trait that is influenced by both genetic and environmental factors.

Intelligence is also strongly influenced by the environment.

Is intelligence determined by genetics?

First, how hard could it be to convince anybody in our capitalist system that if you do work you should get paid for it. Next, screw the communities. The country has the money for it. Next, you shouldn't need any sort of guarantee that if you do work you should get paid for it. To hell with whether or not it will "work." It is just the fair thing to do. As for parents and intelligence, read post #37.

this is simple:
300 mil is a lot different than 5.5 mil
no comparison

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

where are they getting the $$$$$ from?

Where does anybody ever get any money from. For things like the military, police, fire department, etc. You simply figure out a way to get it. For example, I was watching a documentary called "Sicko." They were talking to some English diplomat about how they pay for universal health care. He said that in times of war, they are able to come up with the money for war. So why in times of peace should they be unable to come up with the money to pay for universal health care.

Where does anybody ever get any money from. For things like the military, police, fire department, etc. You simply figure out a way to get it.

Excellent idea!!
You should use your own money to implement this wonderful plan.

Let us know how it goes.

You are what they would call a jackoff. In paying for universal health care in England, that isn't how it was done. So why would you think what you said is how it should be done to pay children for their school "work." Do me a favor and don't reply. Go haunt somebody else's thread.

In paying for universal health care in England, that isn't how it was done.

Their healthcare system is collapsing.

So why would you think what you said is how it should be done to pay children for their school "work."

Your "idea" is moronic.

Who says their health care system is collapsing. The same kind of morons who say there is no human caused global warming? And any problems they may be having with their health care system is most likely due to them leting all those sand negroes (can I say "nigers" around here?) they stupidly let into their country.

Next, the only thing that might make my idea "moronic" is when so many things are made in other countries. Otherwise, unless the children put their pay into a bank, it would just go back into our economy. I already brought up the universal health care that most developed countries provide for free. (You would be surprised by some of the countries that do so) Well paying children for their school "work" would cost far less.

Who says their health care system is collapsing.

Reality.

 

[Jarlaxle]

BS.

Excuse me? That is most definitely how I was brought up and how all children should be raised. Education is the ob of children. Nothing more and nothing less.

And you don't think that it is possible for you to have been brought up in a bullshit manner? Read post #70. You also said that if you didn't do well in school, your parents would stop giving you food and shelter. I find that unlikely.

His parents were as psychotic as he is.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yeah, that's a great idea for all 5 students across the country that can actually do that.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

As for the illegals, it wouldn't bother me if they stuck a stick of dynamite up the ass of each one and lit it. As for the negroes, even paying them might not help. For one reason, their species is probably too stupid.

And that right there tells me all I need to know about you. Just another ignorant, racist POS. The next time you post anything worthy of serious consideration will be the first time. Now, run along little boy and crawl back under that rock from whence you came... You are dismissed.

Only Inferior People Believe in Racial Equality

If your feralphile clique doesn't believe in the Bell Curve, that makes you a dumbbell.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I know what it is like for any slave loving capitalist out there. They all want something for nothing. You expect children to learn learn learn (often bullshit) for free. (I say sarcastically) "That's right. Crack that fuckin whip!" Then there are all of the parent's expenses. Such as providing their children with things like shoes. Which as a small child I remember having to go a whole summer without. As you can imagine, on rainy days it was even more unplesant.

Like it or not, we live in a push button instant gratification world. And you expect children to go through 12 years of school work for nothing? That's obscene! Also, many children don't get any sort of allowance at all. Though as a child, I used to. Every sunday we were given fifty cents to go see a movie. Which wasn't much.

But what if children were actually paid to go to school. They would likely do better. It doesn't have to be a lot like an adult would expect. And if I was paid, I could have gone to the movies every day if I wanted. Or buy other things. Which would stimulate the economy. Or maybe they could save their money to buy something more expensive. Such as maybe a birthday present for mom. It would also get children used to the whole work ethic thing. They do school WORK and get a salary for it.

This should extend even to college. Where we would pay them even more to go. So they might be able to afford to drive or take girls on dates. In taking this route, more would be likely to go to college. And having more college educated people would be good for society on the whole.

Also, I have heard that this country has a shortage of nurses. Well pay these students a little more if necessary to go into that line of study. Though once that shortage is solved, that increased pay would be less.

And you expect children to go through 12 years of school work for nothing?

I wish they could go through for nothing.
Here in Chicago we waste...err...invest more than $15,000 per year per student to try to educate these little punks (and illegal alien punks). You want us to hand them cash on top of that?

What are you some kind of moron?

Those Who Invented All Weapons Will Someday Get Revenge for Your Insults and Ingratitude

Morons like you are jealous of smartkids and want to see them suffer. And those wasteful programs that you've been tricked into believing are sincere are forced on us intentionally by the agents of the rich who pretend to be democrats. But you love those spoiled brats so much that you will never believe that the modern Democrats' sole purpose is to make government look bad so you'll vote for their anti-government fraternity brothers.

Which smart kids?

Unpaid Education Gets Us Mostly the Shallow End of the Talent Pool

Whatever IQ would be the cutoff for those we need to motivate to take the jobs we need them for. Every college graduate today could be replaced by someone smarter who was too turned off to graduate. So it is unproductive to say, for example, "We need 30,000 biochemists," because what we actually need are the 30,000 with the most potential for biochemistry, which is a different talent pool from what we are getting now.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

....I thought in my city some years ago, they gave out ''high priced'' items to public school kids for stuff like showing up for the first day of school/not missing too many days/etc
...bullshit....they need to be doing their school work for nothing ..it's the parents' responsibility that they go and do well
..this is just like MObama's lunch policy--looks good on paper, but doesn't work in reality

No. They should be getting paid to do school work. Do you disagree with the "work" part in school "work?" Are you a slave owner? Explain to me your justification for anybody to "work" with no compensation. Also, I had to "work" to get an education. I should have been paid for it. Because after I left school, it didn't pay off for me then either. And learning to read and write didn't do much good either. Especially when it comes to writing things at political forums. Because most people are too stupid to understand the truth. Or don't want to understand it. Or just can't handle the truth. I would have been better off by showing my true superiority by not learning to reade or write at all.

..so, if they don't go to school, they will be stupid
if they go to school and learn, they can get a good job
college graduates earn more
they are getting something for their [ hahahaha ] ''work
the parents pay for the schools....so we should pay them back??!!!?? !!?

Jealousy of Those Who Could Benefit Everybody Is Foolishly Selfish

Their employers and society in general get far more than the graduates do. Your pretending the situation is like an imaginary major in Casino Gambling, where only the graduate would benefit.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

....I thought in my city some years ago, they gave out ''high priced'' items to public school kids for stuff like showing up for the first day of school/not missing too many days/etc
...bullshit....they need to be doing their school work for nothing ..it's the parents' responsibility that they go and do well
..this is just like MObama's lunch policy--looks good on paper, but doesn't work in reality

No. They should be getting paid to do school work. Do you disagree with the "work" part in school "work?" Are you a slave owner? Explain to me your justification for anybody to "work" with no compensation. Also, I had to "work" to get an education. I should have been paid for it. Because after I left school, it didn't pay off for me then either. And learning to read and write didn't do much good either. Especially when it comes to writing things at political forums. Because most people are too stupid to understand the truth. Or don't want to understand it. Or just can't handle the truth. I would have been better off by showing my true superiority by not learning to reade or write at all.

how much should they get??

Coolie College Doesn't Follow the Rules About Basic Economic Incentives

Easy. Just like attracting people to other jobs, the most valuable human resources should get paid more as college students than they can expect from any other job at that age.

 

[Anathema]

Whatever IQ would be the cutoff for those we need to motivate to take the jobs we need them for. Every college graduate today could be replaced by someone smarter who was too turned off to graduate. So it is unproductive to say, for example, "We need 30,000 biochemists," because what we actually need are the 30,000 with the most potential for biochemistry, which is a different talent pool from what we are getting now.

Are you suggesting we TELL students what career path thechave to take rather than letting them freely choose?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Where does anybody ever get any money from. For things like the military, police, fire department, etc. You simply figure out a way to get it.

Excellent idea!!
You should use your own money to implement this wonderful plan.

Let us know how it goes.

You are what they would call a jackoff. In paying for universal health care in England, that isn't how it was done. So why would you think what you said is how it should be done to pay children for their school "work." Do me a favor and don't reply. Go haunt somebody else's thread.

I nominate you to pay for the plan as well.

I have a 14 y.o. and a 15 y.o. You go ahead and pay them to attend school.

Make sure it's enough for them to support families of 4 and rent a 3 bedroom house. Isn't that the gold standard for minimum wage you guys maintain?

They attend school 9 hours a day, and probably devote an hour a day and 3 hours on the weekends to homework..pay them for that as well.

And since it's over 40 hours a week, you'll have to pay them overtime.

As I basically told todd, you are fukin high! In the countries that provide universal health care, they didn't do so by having any single person pay for it all. So paying children for their school "work" couldn't be done by me alone either.

Next, I wasn't talking about paying them what an adult would expect. You would have to be stupid to think that an 8th grader would need anything even close to https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/night-of-the-long-knivesethat kind of money.

As for homework, I say fuck it. If you were following along, you may have seen what I told somebody about students in Finland. They are said to be the most educated students in the world. Or at least in the top three. And when they do tests, they aren't given multiple boxes to check for the answers. They give the answers. How did they do all that? They did away with homework!

people always bring up countries with very small populations compared to the US
you can't do that--it's not a good analogy
that's much easier to enact for these small populations
Finland population 5.5 mil..US 300 mil
etc

If a small country can do anything, it would have to be just as easy for a large country to do. It is only a matter of scale.

Conformists Rely on What They're Told to Think As a Substitute for Logic

Slavish bootlickers are too Low IQ to change both sides of the equation, so they tried to pull a fast one on you. It's the same with saying that baseball can afford to pay the most talented high-school graduates up front to go through its equivalent of college education (the minor leagues) because it only needs a few hundred prospects. But how does that not apply to all other businesses, which need a thousand times as many but are a thousand times as wealthy when taken all together?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You are what they would call a jackoff. In paying for universal health care in England, that isn't how it was done. So why would you think what you said is how it should be done to pay children for their school "work." Do me a favor and don't reply. Go haunt somebody else's thread.

I nominate you to pay for the plan as well.

I have a 14 y.o. and a 15 y.o. You go ahead and pay them to attend school.

Make sure it's enough for them to support families of 4 and rent a 3 bedroom house. Isn't that the gold standard for minimum wage you guys maintain?

They attend school 9 hours a day, and probably devote an hour a day and 3 hours on the weekends to homework..pay them for that as well.

And since it's over 40 hours a week, you'll have to pay them overtime.

As I basically told todd, you are fukin high! In the countries that provide universal health care, they didn't do so by having any single person pay for it all. So paying children for their school "work" couldn't be done by me alone either.

Next, I wasn't talking about paying them what an adult would expect. You would have to be stupid to think that an 8th grader would need anything even close to https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/night-of-the-long-knivesethat kind of money.

As for homework, I say fuck it. If you were following along, you may have seen what I told somebody about students in Finland. They are said to be the most educated students in the world. Or at least in the top three. And when they do tests, they aren't given multiple boxes to check for the answers. They give the answers. How did they do all that? They did away with homework!

people always bring up countries with very small populations compared to the US
you can't do that--it's not a good analogy
that's much easier to enact for these small populations
Finland population 5.5 mil..US 300 mil
etc

If a small country can do anything, it would have to be just as easy for a large country to do. It is only a matter of scale.

no
1. many people would be against it--much harder to convince people to be for it
2. some communities do not have the $$$$ for it as much as others
3. there is no guarantee this would work!!! there are more kids in the US--meaning more that could be [ are ] not as smart/different cultures-parental upbringing/etc
---- = the parents have a huge part in the ''intelligence''/education of the kids

Like most aspects of human behavior and cognition, intelligence is a complex trait that is influenced by both genetic and environmental factors.

Intelligence is also strongly influenced by the environment.

Is intelligence determined by genetics?

Unlike Today's Unmotivating Structure, This Will Get the Best and Get Them to Study

As a substitute for paying taxes, their future employers would fund individual recruits.

 

[fandango]

[L]Sounds like your dad was pretty fucked up. All that aside, don't you think it would have caused a little less strife if you actually got paid to go to school?

Not at all. Both of my parents were professional educators for parts of their working lives.

There would have been far more strife if I’d been paid. My attitude toward school wouldn’t have changed, but there wouldn’t have been anything to hold me accountable. I’d have been dead or in prison before I turned 19 instead of off to college and a career that’s allowed me to support myself and my family.

Why would that have caused more strife. Because your parent's would have said "We didn't get it, why should you." To which, if you were smart enough, you could have replied with "Things change." Next, if you got used to having a little extra cash, that would have held you accountable. Also, what if you were actually PAID to go to college. Don't you think that would have made it a little more likely to happen?

 

[fandango]

Maybe you just weren't "receiving the whip" material. If so, I commend you.

No. I have a minor learning disability and since I knew what I wanted to do for a career by the end of my Freshman year in high school anything that didn’t promote that end didn’t get as much attention as it should have. 25 years later I do regret some of it.

So you think that the sick instead of the carrot was the best approach for you?

 

[fandango]

As I basically told todd, you are fukin high! In the countries that provide universal health care, they didn't do so by having any single person pay for it all. So paying children for their school "work" couldn't be done by me alone either.

Next, I wasn't talking about paying them what an adult would expect. You would have to be stupid to think that an 8th grader would need anything even close to https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/night-of-the-long-knivesethat kind of money.

As for homework, I say fuck it. If you were following along, you may have seen what I told somebody about students in Finland. They are said to be the most educated students in the world. Or at least in the top three. And when they do tests, they aren't given multiple boxes to check for the answers. They give the answers. How did they do all that? They did away with homework!

people always bring up countries with very small populations compared to the US
you can't do that--it's not a good analogy
that's much easier to enact for these small populations
Finland population 5.5 mil..US 300 mil
etc

If a small country can do anything, it would have to be just as easy for a large country to do. It is only a matter of scale.

no
1. many people would be against it--much harder to convince people to be for it
2. some communities do not have the $$$$ for it as much as others
3. there is no guarantee this would work!!! there are more kids in the US--meaning more that could be [ are ] not as smart/different cultures-parental upbringing/etc
---- = the parents have a huge part in the ''intelligence''/education of the kids

Like most aspects of human behavior and cognition, intelligence is a complex trait that is influenced by both genetic and environmental factors.

Intelligence is also strongly influenced by the environment.

Is intelligence determined by genetics?

First, how hard could it be to convince anybody in our capitalist system that if you do work you should get paid for it. Next, screw the communities. The country has the money for it. Next, you shouldn't need any sort of guarantee that if you do work you should get paid for it. To hell with whether or not it will "work." It is just the fair thing to do. As for parents and intelligence, read post #37.

this is simple:
300 mil is a lot different than 5.5 mil
no comparison

Bullshit! Consider this. The U.S. is a very large country rich with natural resources and arable land. And we have a population of about 319 million people. Germany (Sieg Hiel) is a much smaller country with far less of everything. Their population is about 81 million. The total yearly value of U.S. exports is about 1 trillion, 612 billion. The total yearly value of Germany's exports is 1 trillion, 492 billion. We are a third world country compared to them alone. That is why they provide free college educations and universal health care. Among many other things.

 

[fandango]

Where does anybody ever get any money from. For things like the military, police, fire department, etc. You simply figure out a way to get it. For example, I was watching a documentary called "Sicko." They were talking to some English diplomat about how they pay for universal health care. He said that in times of war, they are able to come up with the money for war. So why in times of peace should they be unable to come up with the money to pay for universal health care.

Where does anybody ever get any money from. For things like the military, police, fire department, etc. You simply figure out a way to get it.

Excellent idea!!
You should use your own money to implement this wonderful plan.

Let us know how it goes.

You are what they would call a jackoff. In paying for universal health care in England, that isn't how it was done. So why would you think what you said is how it should be done to pay children for their school "work." Do me a favor and don't reply. Go haunt somebody else's thread.

In paying for universal health care in England, that isn't how it was done.

Their healthcare system is collapsing.

So why would you think what you said is how it should be done to pay children for their school "work."

Your "idea" is moronic.

Who says their health care system is collapsing. The same kind of morons who say there is no human caused global warming? And any problems they may be having with their health care system is most likely due to them leting all those sand negroes (can I say "nigers" around here?) they stupidly let into their country.

Next, the only thing that might make my idea "moronic" is when so many things are made in other countries. Otherwise, unless the children put their pay into a bank, it would just go back into our economy. I already brought up the universal health care that most developed countries provide for free. (You would be surprised by some of the countries that do so) Well paying children for their school "work" would cost far less.

Who says their health care system is collapsing.

Reality.

Do you mean the same kind of "reality" that says that during WW II, the Germans were the bad guys? If you want to know some real realities about health care, watch the documentary "Sicko." I don't agree with everything it says. But it does make some very good points.

 

[jon_berzerk]

--LOL