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OH, come now. You play this border game whenever you lose control of the discussion.
The State of Israel (1948/49) was recognized by the UN before the State of Palestine (1988). By Treaty, the international border between Egypt and Israel is one strike against you. Another strike is that the PLO Declared Independence and the UN recognizes the state in the territory occupied in 1967.
(COMMENT)All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.
They are not the same place. They are (today) separately recognized entities; one sovereign and one in the stage of becoming sovereign.
While the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, encloses the State of Israel and Gaza, Palestine was not a sovereign state. "The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt; according to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.
You are now --- and have been, for some time, sensitive about the designation of "terrorist."
While many European diplomats resent the designation of Hamas, pointing to the group's dominance of the Gaza Strip and its centrality to regional events, the EU will likely work assiduously to reinstate the designation for two reasons: first, to protect its designation regime from further legal challenges and defend the Council's original ban on Hamas, and second, to prevent an inherently apolitical, independent judicial action from damaging the prospects for peace and stability in the Middle East. The very same day the EU court issues its judgment, the UN Security Council is expected to vote on a Palestinian resolution setting a November 2016 deadline for outlining a final Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, including Israeli withdrawal from lands sought for a Palestinian state. These two actions will be seen by many, especially in Israel, as intertwined. And Hamas will no doubt point to the decision as vindication of its claim that it is not a terrorist group -- its recent kidnappings, rocket salvos, and tunnel attacks notwithstanding. Source; Washington Institute
In General the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades [the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)], have conducted many Jihadist and terrorist attacks including large-scale suicide bombings, kidnaping and murder on both Israeli civilian and military targets. HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine --- as they define it be as from the River to the Sea. That makes HAMAS a state which support terrorism. The EU Court ruling (62010TA0400: Case T-400/10: Judgment of the General Court of 17 December 2014) under the political pressure and terrorist intimidation, made the judgement it did --- because of the inclusion as part of the Palestinian Unity Government and the threats (by HAMAS officials) against European countries that supported the designation. By lifting it from the designated terrorist list, it allows for the continuation of negotiations without violating the principle that Diplomatic Missions do not negotiate with terrorists. The EU Court does not suggest HAMAS does not support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. On the contrary, HAMAS itself admits as much. The EU Court in NO WAY absolves or finds in favor of HAMAS on the matter of its:
- Seriously intimidating a population,
- Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
- Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,
(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;
(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
The simple fact is, that the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and its associates have an extensive history of behaviors and self admission that they perform these acts to intimidate the UN Assembly, and EU membership into oppressing Israel in its efforts to hold and maintain it's statehood, preserving it culture and heritage, and protect its citizens against the savagery and barbarity by which the Islamic Resistance Movement define themselves.
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What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?